I think most Americans would support relocation camps for liberals

[skjpm]

I am frightened by what I am learning about America during this election. I think that a majority have an irrational fear of liberals, and that if Bush wins, and decides to send liberals to camps for their "protection," most would support the move and say "About time too." There would be some dissent, but the majority of Americans see liberals as a threat, and nothing would be done. The press would hold debates, but people wouldn't care. I think that all Bush has to do is say the word, and we'll be rounded up. Who would stop him?

[Aristus]

1. We would! And they'd never expect it. The right has been taught

that liberals are weak, whiny types who can't or won't defend themselves. If they come for this liberal ex-Army tank crewman, they are going to have a fight on their hands. A lot of DU-ers are of the same bent, I'm sure.

[Vickers]

7. Yup. What they forget is a whole BUNCH of ex-military folks are liberals

like me and you.

I am a civilized fellow, but I am well-armed and hardly one to be taken gently to some kind of camp.

[Aristus]

14. I don't own any firearms, or plan to acquire any any time soon, but,

I'm smart enough to oranize a "Polish Ghetto uprising" if it ever came down to that. If the Nazis were alive today to see what the Israeli (meek, submissive Jews)Army has accomplished..........

[Vickers]

17. You don't necessarily need a firearm to put a whuppin on somebody

Are you a baseball fan?

:P

[Nay]

31. I'm not military, but I am armed and I would sure plan to take a few with

me.

[EST]

40. Yeh, you are right.

I have become so worried that I have dug out my two old rusty 12gages and a 22cal that haven't even been fired for 20 years and stocked up on a few boxes of shells. If food gets tight, there's a lot of squirrels I've been letting eat off my walnut trees for a long time.
If the fascism that may well accompany a continued slide in this country is any thing like that which has been observed elsewhere in the world, I and my family may need my willingness to provide whatever needs providing. And I am an old man, unwilling to give up what remains of my freedom.

[movonne]

2. I think that is crazy..since most Americans are liberals....have to have

very, very large camps...

[maveric]

3. I dont think that most would support them.

but a good 33% probably would.

[rumguy]

4. I don't think it would happen

How would they define liberal?

Anyway they wouldn't be able to take us alive.

[livinbella]

5. bush will build super giant prisons

then he will send the buses around.
americans will support this.

[annabanana]

6. Actually.....the majority see liberals as the SAVIORS of the country!

Always remember.. Bush did not win in 2000!

(and get out more)

[skjpm]

12. Bush would say liberals are helping terrorists

By sending a mixed message, liberals are encouraging the enemy. Most Americans would agree, and it wouldn't bother them to have their neighbors sent to camps. Even if they didn't catch every liberal, if they sent enough away, the rest would feel compelled to shut up, and if they didn't shut up, they'd be sent away too.

This has happened before in other countries, and is happening now in Russia. Why not here?

[annabanana]

48. where the hell are you getting "most"?.....................n/t

[G_j]

55. if the population is around 200 million

and the country is supposedly evenly split that would make 100 million people to lock up. For one thing, I don't think they could survive without our taxes.

[fudge stripe cookays]

8. I think there could be

a number of Ruby Ridge-like standoffs in various urban and suburban environments if this were to occur. And there would be "collateral damage" as they like to say.

They need to realize that liberals are not the whiny pantywaists they've made us out to be. Some own guns. Others practice various types of lethal martial arts.

Perhaps that stereotype could be to our advantage in the next few years.

FSC

[tom_paine]

9. Yes they would, but we would FIGHT

And I think such an order, if it was carried out, would be cloaked not as it is but as something lse.

The slightest bit of window-dressing on the Nazi-like move, would be enough for most to stick heads-in-sand.

In fcat, for most Imperial Subjects, that is the position they have been in for years, so it would be no effort at all to remain so.

[PCIntern]

10. the fact that we're having this debate

means that we're one step closer to Nazi Germany. I never had this conversation even in the coldest of the cold war era.

The only reaason they won't do it, in my mind, is that they won't make the same mistake the Nazis did and remove theri intelligentsia from critical jobs.

But I could be way wrong about that. Stephen King's The Stand (unabridged) would be a great model for this crowd. The Vegas crew, not the Boulder Crew.

[Barney Rocks]

11. Well, I would never support

such a thing.

I should say that I do not consider myself a "liberal" although I am sure there are some people who would call me that. I would say that I am Middle of the Road. I do admit that I can Turn to the left much easier than I can Turn to the right--but I still consider myself a pretty moderate person.

[skjpm]

15. I'm not sure they will, but they could

It would be a lot of trouble. But I think Bush could, and most of America would support him. And the press would sidestep it.

[Barney Rocks]

28. That would be terrible.

I do know that they have degraded the word "liberal" but I still can't imagine something as horrible as this happening. This moderate Democrat would definitely stand shoulder to shoulder with you more liberal Democrats if you were threatened in any manner. We must all stand together.

[proud patriot]

13. I couldn't disagree more

Most Americans would be appalled by it IMO .

[skjpm]

16. Have you spoken to many Bush supporters?

They have an irrational hatred of liberals.

[proud patriot]

63. bush supporters are NOT a Majority of Americans

one bush supporter told told me I should be tried and shot
for treason .

When I tell other Bush supporters that this was said to me
they get disgusted .

these are my face to face encounters .

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Most Americans would be apathetic.

Even Boobya wouldn't be stupid enough to try to put "all" liberals in camps. Just the outspoken ones who would refuse to be intimidated.

Worked in Germany, Italy, Chile, The USSR, etc.

Worked here during the Palmer Raids and the McCarthy era.

The idea isn't to imprison or kill all the liberals, just shut them up and make them obey.

All they have to do is tag us as a "threat to national security", put on a few show trials, lock up the "guilty", and most Americans will either cheer them on, or switch channels.

[markus]

19. Nah, it's really only the 20 million or so Ditto Heads

And they wouldn't bother with camps. They'd just tell you that go get you in the cattle car before they parked it on a siding in North Dakota in February and left it there.

[mitchum]

20. Just let those motherfuckers try

[Capn Sunshine]

21. Bring it on

They can't even subdue a bunch of lesser equipped folks in the middle east.

Why do they think it would be easy at home?

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

23. I accidentally eluded

An LA county sheriff's child-rape-homicide task force with choppers for fifteen minutes. I thought they were trying to pop me for drinking in public! No charges resulted...

Being impressed with American military/police prowess only helps the Repuke cause!

[Zorra]

22. Yes, the "Good Americans" will mindlessly go along with whatever the

government tells them to do.

I don't think it's most Americans though, just republicans, neo nazis, and other right wingers.

[JohnOneillsMemory]

24. That's why those old Japanese internment camps were opened by FEMA

along with newly built camps under the Reagan cabal who is now back in the saddle.

The street protests of the 60s actually affected how troops were deployed. Many were kept at home instead of sent to 'Nam out of fear of domestic unrest.

The power structure vowed to never let that happen again. Laws were passed allowing the military to pacify domestic unrest and camps for dissenters were maintained but not yet used.

We were warned by former CIA Angola station chief John Stockwell in this speech from October 1987 regarding suspending the Bill of Rights, pre-emptive war, and pre-emptive arrest, torture, and execution by the Executive branch. It has come to pass.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4068.htm
(CIA insider tells of 6 Million killed in secret wars)

http://www.global-conspiracies.com/us_concentration_camps_fema_and_the_rex84_program.htm

http://www.mindcontrolforums.com/cncia010.htm

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/gracebelievers/concentrationcamps.html

http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc=149495;article=63539;title=APFN

http://pages.prodigy.net/markrm/takeover.html

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Crete/9923/chem.html

www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread11260/pg1

www.global-conspiracies.com/Rex84.htm

[kayell]

25. We have to remember that this would be gradual

They would never start (or probably even finish) with all liberals. It would be another gradualization process, starting with the most outspoken, wild-eyed liberal types, the ones that they could portray as a serious danger to us all. Or the people who have serious mental disturbances who must be moved into "treatment centers" for their own and the publics safety when they refuse to take their govt mandated meds.

Bushco could never have come to the stage they are at now if they had done everything they have accomplished in even the month immediately after 9/11. But keep the populace weak and confused with constant escalating FEAR_TM warnings, and the occasional heroic capture of dangerous terrorists (even *horrors* Americans swayed to the side of EVIL_TM) and the people seems willing to accept almost anything in the name of security.

Even Hitler didn't do everything overnight, and Bushco are much more accomplished in PR. They've had years to improve on the old totalitarian models.

[Ready4Change]

26. Not all "liberals" at first.

At 50% of the population (depending on whose counting you listen to) there are too many liberals for them to round up and lock away all at once. But consider 2 things and you'll see something which needs to be watched for very intently.

The first thing to consider is this: Why round people up and put them away in camps? The goal would be to secure unquestioned power. For this you don't need to lock opposition up. You just need to lock up the most active, so they can't stir up trouble, and so that those who remain free are cowed into obeyance.

The second thing to consider: How this has been done in history?. It typically starts small, rounding up a few extreme radicals and open militant trouble makers that few reasonable people will raise a fuss over. Then a few who aren't QUITE so radical. Always pick populations that are dfferent in some manner, so that those who don't QUITE meet that profile keep quiet so as to not draw attention to themselves. When that effect is strongly achieved your power is pretty secure and you can round up whomever you please.

So, the thing to look for is this: Who is being rounded up, for how long, and do others fear they'll be next unless they fall in line?

[Ezlivin]

27. Could my relocation camp be in Hawaii?

I'm a liberal and if I'm going to be relocated, I would prefer Hawaii.

What are the other choices?

Or do we find out after the rigged-election puts Bush back into his dictator-for-life position?

[rniel]

29. impossible

how would they distinquish who is a liberal and who is not.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

32. Did that ever stop them before?

You might want to look into how they distinguish who is a "drug kingpin" and who is not. Or how the Khmer Rouge selected people for camps--eyeglasses and wristwatches were included among the criteria.

[Scootman78]

37. All it would take is someone saying you're "Non-American"

That word seems to be the term that the FBI listens to and responds to the most.

In today's world, if you don't like war or you don't like to see people die in the name of your country (forget about defense of your country), then you are non-American. If you prefer the Canadian healthcare system over your own, then you are non-American. If you think Florida has problems with elections (and we most definitely do), then you're non-American.

I just get the feeling that if things continue the way they're going, somebody will publish a book in the spirit of Jeff Foxworthy titled, "You Might Be A Non-American If..."

[kayell]

47. How did the Nazis know who was a socialist or communist or a secular Jew?

They go after the obvious first. The protestors, the liberal writers, the activists, the people who are most obvious in their political affiliations. They hope that most others are cowed into behaving like "good Germans".

My parents lived in Germany in the early 50s, renting a room from a German family that they became good friends with. They asked them how this had happened, how no one had stopped it. The couple told them that at first it was an improvement - they felt safer, they felt proud to be Germans under Hitler. They were not political people. When things got bad, they knew there were things they shouldn't question. They didn't ask about people who disappeared, they didn't ask about the new factories with the ragged workers. They knew it wasn't safe, and since they had a small child, it was better not to know, to just go on with life. They were ashamed, but they didn't see how they could have done differently.

It is very easy to see that happening here.

[rniel]

30. Better idea

keep both sides happy and just divide the country in two. There side can have all the wars and bigoted laws they want we'll start a new america.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

33. Have you been over here?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2422061

[in_cog_ni_to]

34. First they came for.....

First they came for the Communists but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists but I was not one of them, so I did not speak out. Then they came for the Jews but I was not Jewish so I did not speak out. And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me.

Martin Niemoeller

Let 'em try. They're next. As soon as they figure out that they're dealing with Hitler Jr., they'll be there too.

[knowbody0]

36. liberal by definition

is a beautiful word. they hate what they fear. remember that when you get pissed. the cage they live in has no bars

[nonkultur]

35. There are already 600 set up by FEMA

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/camps.html

<snip>
There over 600 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a mass exodus of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.
<snip>

This scares me.

[genius]

58. Is it true that there is one north of the border above Tacate, Mexico?

[nonkultur]

60. Vandenburg AFB is the closest to Tecate that I know of.

CALIFORNIA
Vandenburg AFB - Rex 84 facility, located near Lompoc & Santa Maria. Internment facility is located near the oceanside, close to Space Launch Complex #6, also called "Slick Six". The launch site has had "a flawless failure record" and is rarely used.

Norton AFB - (closed base) now staffed with UN according to some sources.

Tule Lake - area of "wildlife refuge", accessible by unpaved road, just inside Modoc County.

Fort Ord - Closed in 1994, this facility is now an urban warfare training center for US and foreign troops, and may have some "P.O.W. - C.I." enclosures.

Twentynine Palms Marine Base - Birthplace of the infamous "Would you shoot American citizens?" Quiz. New camps being built on "back 40".

Oakdale - Rex 84 camp capable of holding at least 20,000 people. 90 mi. East of San Francisco.

Terminal Island - (Long Beach) located next to naval shipyards operated by ChiCom shipping interests. Federal prison facility located here. Possible deportation point.

Ft. Irwin - FEMA facility near Barstow. Base is designated inactive but has staffed camp.

McClellan AFB - facility capable for 30,000 - 35,000

Sacramento - Army Depot - No specific information at this time.

Mather AFB - Road to facility is blocked off by cement barriers and a stop sign. Sign states area is restricted; as of 1997 there were barbed wire fences pointing inward, a row of stadium lights pointed toward an empty field, etc. Black boxes on poles may have been cameras.

This link http://www.c0balt.com/egg/insane.shtml
has info of locations in most states that are ready to run on short notice.

[MallRat]

38. Then Congress would curtail the courts' jurisdiction to rule on them, too.

Among all of the frightening things happening in this election year, perhaps the most sinister and underreported of all is the erosion of checks and balances protecting the authority of the judiciary. Congress is picking and choosing what kinds of issues the lower Federal courts can and cannot rule on, in the name of negating the influence of "activist judges."

So just think about this- Bush and the GOP could conceivably legislate just about anything they want, and if they pass such bills with riders limiting the lower courts' jurisdiction to overturn the laws, then the Supreme Court is the only thing standing between us and the complete collapse of the tripartite system of American government.

And we all have faith in the Supreme Court, right?

:eyes:

[no_hypocrisy]

42. Komatsu is still good law, hasn't been overturned. Federal government

can still falsely imprison citizens and non-citizens during war to protect the country.

[AntiFascist]

39. You can all come to California....

they won't mess with our militia. (Earthquakes and fires aren't that bad.)

[no_hypocrisy]

41. I think you're right, but I don't think they can build enough camps . . .

Google "fema camps" and get an idea on their head start.

[captainjack]

43. this thread has scared me silly

i've come up with the fringes of the arguments outlined here, but i've never gone through with it this far. it's very true that the right have an extremely irrational fear and hatred of the left(read some 1 star amazon reviews for "liberal" tomes if you aren't sold on this idea) and would definitely go along with what bush asks. the rest - would depend on whether the media attacks the administration or if it continues it's current trend of lax reporting.

i don't have a gun, nor martial arts training - but i'll be smart enough to guage the wind and mosie on over to sweden if anything were to begin happening.

[Tacos al Carbon]

51. captainjack,

it's very true that the right have an extremely irrational fear and hatred of the left

Have you by chance happened to glance at the posts immediately before yours? Do they at all look rational and loving?

Lets keep a foot in the real world folks.

[kayell]

56. This real world?

We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors." - Ann Coulter at the Conservative Political Action Conference (http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/031104A.shtml) 26 February2002

My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building." - AC again in a New York Observer interview (http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m0ICQ/2002_August_26/94386624/p6/article.jhtml) 26 August2002

[AntiFascist]

61. "Live by the sword..."

you know the rest.

[T Bone]

44. Come and try to fucking take me

I guarantee one dead motherfucker who tries. I may go but one motherfucker is going with me. Deader than hell.

[captainjack]

45. well, in the interest of self survival

what are the chances of a revolution on the part of liberals if bushdick steals this next election too?

[Codeblue]

50. I dunno

I tried oto get people interested in the topic some time ago but nobody would have any of it. THey dismissed me as a crazy person.

I for one would revolt however.

[Redneck Socialist]

46. I sure would!

Swimming and volley ball and...ahh, um, you said summer camp right?

[kayell]

49. I just got back from the book store, and I'm more nervous than ever

Went a picked up Cruel and Unusual, and while I was there browsed the political section. The number of books vilifying us as traitors is amazing. Not just Coulter, but shelf on shelf of Coulter clones, most written in less inflammatory language, but all with the central message that we are traitors to our country, that we are in fact terrorists ourselves.

Another possibility for how this could start - the relocation of liberals or minorities deemed at risk of violence from their angry neighbors to a "place of safety" after another MIHOP. It worked in Germany.

[ComerPerro]

52. They would, but only at first if it were phrased carefully

Such as "enemy sympathizers". "terrorist sympathizers/supporters", "radical extremists", etc.

The administration would have to make people even more afraid than they are now.

But, in a second Bush term, it could be done. Easily.

When people compare Bush to Hitler, the usual response is "I haven't seen Bush putting millions of people in concentration camp and killing them"

That's true, but don't forget that Hitler didn't start doing this right away. It took some time to build up his totalitarian regime.

And, Hitler didn't have to worry about such widely available media like the internet.

[SammyWinstonJack]

53. I'm not going to any relocation camp for liberals

Who would stop him? Hopefully all Americans would stand up and stop him.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

54. Husband and I are quite tough, armed liberals

so I'd love to see them try.

[Disturbed]

59. FBI List

There is the starting place.

They wouldn't need to round up all "Liberals". Re-locating a few thousand on the FBI list would shut up millions. The name of these places would be in line with "The Clear Skies" Bill. The level of fear and apathy in America is probably higher than anyone can imagine.

[genius]

57. This is not the country I grew up in

[Unforgiven]

62. No

It's not, and people with an independent thought left in their heads had better start figuring this out. And real soon too.