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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:27 PM
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Silver Bullet for defeating Bush and other GOPers
I'm posting this at the request of a local activist. I don't know anything about it other than what is here, but it sounds quite interesting.

If you would like more info, please PM me. I currently have a bad eye injury, and my computer time is limited, but I'll do what I can to connect you.

Thanks for your attention to this...... I hope it's one more thing that can make a big difference!

Dear all:

After nearly a month of fulltime research with the help of various volunteeer researchers, not to mention some deadends and blind alleys, I have put together a proposal and strategy that could get most if not all pro-life undecideds (45% of all undecideds according to a large poll we got a hold of) to vote Democratic.

The plan has 3 components
1) op-ed revealing the data based on analysis of a wide sampling (about 20) of our states showing that since Bush and Co took over, the steady decline in abortions under Clinton has leveled and in some cases reversed (especially in some of the bigger states), and this has happened almost without exception in virtually all the swing states. (We are double checking CO tonite)
2) field component: house parties ideally, where the above would be given out to pro-life undecideds, as well as Republicans having second doubts. We would try to have Repubs for Kerry speakers at these parties as well (usually on Iraq and economy issues)
The point of the parties would be as event excuses to get local media coverage, especially local rural papers and local rural radio shows
3) Rural Radio Ad saturatation (1-2 weeks):If we can raise $20k, we can run aat least a week of a powerful radio spot(see below) throughout the day and at drive time on virtually all of rural CO's stations, since rural radio is so inexpensive. I think i can find national funding for this if half can be matched from CO.

If anyone reading this is ready to work full time on this, please let me know with an email AND a call.
IF we raise the funds, this will become a 527. For now it can be simply a volunteer grassroots effort unaffiliated with any candidate or party.
Needless to say, the radio campaign could snow ball a'la swift boat, into a huge earned media bombshell, because we are undercutting one of the GOP's main strengths, just as they did with Kerry's military valor, except we are using the truth, rather than lies.
Yours truly,
Gary
Director, ProLife Undecideds and Uncertain Republicans Project

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Spiffarino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:41 PM
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1. I've heard the notion recently
Edited on Tue Sep-28-04 10:42 PM by gtrump
...that abortions generally go up during Repub administrations and down during Democratic ones. If this can be presented powerfully and to enough voters it's a winner for sure. It will have to happen double-ASAP for there to be any traction, though.

I would very much like to hear more.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:45 PM
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2. It's easy to see
Less poverty means less abortions because more people can afford to have children and if they don't want children yet, can afford contraception.

Dems mean less poverty, Pubs means more poverty and the stats prove it.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:36 AM
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8. I've also heard suicide rates go up under Repubs.
I don't know whether or not that stat is true.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:45 AM
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9. Here's one link
http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99992817

Right-wing governments may sap some people's will to live and result in more suicides, conclude studies in Britain and Australia.

Shaw and her colleagues found that on average, suicide rates were 17 per cent higher when the Conservatives were in power, compared to the annual average of 103 suicides per million population when opposition parties held office.

Richard Taylor and his team in the School of Public Health at the University of Sydney found similar trends over the past century in New South Wales. When Right-wing governments were in power, men were 17 per cent more likely and women 40 per cent more likely to commit suicide.

Left wing governments tend to be more "inclusive" and community based, she says, decreasing the isolation felt by people down on their luck. Shaw's team calculates that over the past century, 35,000 extra suicides occurred when the Tories were in power.

This is for Britian and Australia, still looking for the US but I would think the stats would be the same.


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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:54 AM
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10. Great posting, camero! Frustrating, also
Why in the world aren't these facts used in campaigns????

Do we WANT to lose?

Stuff like this should be made common knowledge, and force people to look at reality, rather than fooled by faux news.

Kanary
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:59 AM
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12. Thanks again
I just found one for the US. It's very interesting to say the least.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/08/22/a_suicide_map_of_the_us/#

WHEN DEMOCRATS and Republicans decided where to hold their national conventions, they probably didn't know that Massachusetts and New York have the lowest suicide rates in the nation, about 6.5 per 100,000 people per year. The national average is 10.7, and states with the biggest problem are in the 19 to 20 range.

Suicide rates in the United States generally rise as you go south and west. Earlier this year, I got interested in the exceptions to that rule, so I decided to create a map. States with lower than average suicide rates I colored blue; the rest I colored red.

And there it was: an approximation of the year 2000 presidential election map.

Thirteen states and the District of Columbia have lower than average suicide rates. All but one voted for Al Gore. Of the remaining 37 states, 29 voted for George W. Bush. The five states with the most lopsided Bush vote (Alaska, Montana, Wyoming, Utah and Idaho, with a margin of 25 percent or more) were all among the top eight for suicide.

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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:10 AM
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13. Great sleuthing, camero!
While interesting, I suppose the RW would come up with some alternative crap about why this is so.

I can think of one possible point, myself -- the west is more known for it's "rugged individualism", and that is a great killer. However, I don't know that's actually true of the south. I have some opinions about the south, but don't really know actualities there.

Obviously, this bears some scrutiny, and if we were a nation who truly cared about our people, this would be investigated.

If we were a Party that wanted to dig a bit deeper, we'd be using stats like these.

Kanary, who will be looking forward to more Camero stats..... :)
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 01:14 AM
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14. Social safety nets not as good in the South
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 01:15 AM by camero
You're right, the RW would come up with a lame excuse for it but I think it falls under the "every man for himself" mentality that repuke admins are famous for.

For our party to use these things, the influence of the DLC would have to be less.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:19 PM
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15. You've probably got a bullseye with that one!
And certainly right on target about the DLC. If we continue to allow the DLC to have power, many of us will definitely be dead.

And, it won't even matter to them one bit.

So much for "Respect Life".

~~snort~~

Kanary
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 02:37 PM
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16. The Western states persuit of rugged individualism is predicated on
welfare dollars recieved from Democratic States, which cover the subsidies they depend upon to survive with such rugged individuality. My state is a perfect example. For every one dollar the state of South Dakota contributes to the income tax pool...three come back in the form of federal subsidies.

How's that for rugged individualism, eh? Yep the War on the West....what a load of crap.

RC
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:20 PM
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17. Same hypocrisy, eh? Hadn't thought of it that way, but it's true, and
much the same as the farmers demanding "help", which they resent being given to individuals in the city. Especially women, of course.

Damn! I wish there was some way of hitting back hard at this kind of crap!

Thanks for pointing it out!

Kanary
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RapidCreek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 11:45 PM
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19. You bet.
RC
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chemteacher Donating Member (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 10:55 PM
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3. Oh, it's a plan to win...
I thought you would pop open a Coors Light...AAAGH!

Not just awful beer, but $ to the Heritage Foundation!
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:08 AM
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4. No other comments?
An interesting plan not worth comment?

:shrug:

Kanary
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:10 AM
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5. Thanks for posting.
:kick:
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951 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:12 AM
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6. Off-Topic: I'm sure certain words in your subject set off a few alarms :P
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 12:13 AM by 951
:kick:
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:17 AM
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7. What "alarms"?? Is everyone so friggin' paranoid that there are
now bogeymen under every post?

This is an interesting proposal, but most would rather rant about "Tweety", etc.

Pah.

Kanary
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 10:24 PM
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18. maybe they mean using 'bush' and 'bullet' in the same sentence?
anyway, the idea is good. i say email it to blogs and groups like moveon.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-29-04 12:56 AM
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11. interesting
Edited on Wed Sep-29-04 12:56 AM by G_j
sounds like it could be effective if the stats were put together in a clear and convincing way in the from of flyer.
There would have to be some good links because people would need convincing of the validity of the info.
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