Why don't you have a Kerry bumper sticker on you car?

[onehandle]

WHY!? WHY!? WHY!?

And where's your yard sign? (if you have a yard)

end of rant.

[Southsideirish]

1. Have a brand new car - with a Kerry sign in the window.

[goddess40]

14. Use a magnet

Then you can take it off in areas that the idiots will damage your car for having one.

[eridani]

116. Or tape a clear plastic report holder on the inside of your window

Bumperstickers slide in and out, and you can change your message frequently instead of plastering your car with a bunch of stickers.

[UdoKier]

126. You can stick them on the outside corner of the rear window.

They scrape off easily with a razor blade when you're done, they don't leave a scratch (as opposed to on the paint, where they do.)

[proud patriot]

2. LOL ummmm You haven't seen my car or yard

oh you weren't asking me were you .. :shrug:

[onehandle]

6. Those whom I'm asking, know who they are, nt

[BrotherBuzz]

36. Problem is we can't locate your Kerry sticker...

with all the other worthy causes screaming at us! ;)
Kerry's sticker is on your car, true, but you'd have to pass the Evelyn Wood speed reading course to locate it in traffic. Is it true that people actually sit in lawn chairs and read you car while it's parked?

Proud Patriot's car voted "Favorite car to get stuck behind in traffic"

Oh, OneHandle, we have a pre VP Edwards selection Kerry sticker in the rear window.

[proud patriot]

53. LOL ...That's why I put 5 Kerry Stickers on my car

2 on the front windshield
2 on side windows
and 1 on the back

:evilgrin:

[Zero Gravitas]

3. I don't want to have my car vandalized

by Right Wing Christian Thugs.

[onehandle]

9. I had an "Anyone But Bush" sticker on my car...

...here in red, red Georgia for a year. Followed by Clark, Kerry, and Kerry/Edwards stickers. I've also driven to six other red states in that time.

No fundie touched my car.

[RebelOne]

31. I'm in Georgia also.

I have a MoveOn.Org sticker which says Nothing Accomplished and a Kerry/Edwards one. So far, no one has tried to run me off the road or keyed my car.

[RubyDuby in GA]

48. Also in Georgia

Have the Kerry/Edwards one, the Arranged Marriage w/John Kerry one, the MoveOn one that has the Mission crossed out to read Nothing Accomplished and one for Majette for US Senate.

I've had people flip me off, ride my bumper, shake their fist, etc.
Just smile and flash them the peace sign. It totally pisses them off.

[tnlefty]

61. Yep, smiling and waving just about sends them over the edge doesn't it...

I wear a t-shirt or a button every time that I leave the house and that can be fun, too!

[spinbaby]

84. Vandalism is a real fear for some of us

I live in redneck country where we tend to have a vandalism problem anyway--at night drunks destroy mailboxes, throw things at cars and, occasionally, drive into houses. Don't want to rile redneck drunks up with signs.

I do, however, have a magnetic bumper sticker that I affix whenever I leave.

[Name removed]

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[Vickers]

54. Who the fuck is "Cheny" ?

Is he that ignorant fuckstick draft-dodging hole-hiding drunk-ass fried chicken-inhaling buttmunch who is running this country into the ground while Bush is out getting fucked up on Boone's Farm?

Or do I have him confused with someone else?

[Cha]

58. Yeah, that's the one! the one that needs to

go Fuck himself!!

[Can o Beans]

76. I don't want my car vandalized by my WIFE

or her freeper parents...

[sandnsea]

164. Let's weigh.. car - war

car-war... hmmmm....

you must be joking, with what we're facing you aren't even willing to risk a scratch on your car???

[PittLib]

4. Alright already! I'm going to put mine on right now.

I swear ... be right back.

Edit: Done. It even covered some scuffs on my bumper. I'm finally relenting ... after having defended my right to not put one on my car. I realized that I get a kick out of seeing them, and would like to return in kind.

[madmax]

5. Have my Kerry bumper sticker and

Support the Troops yellow ribbon. Stuck the bumper sticker onto magnetic sheeting. Something you folks with new cars might want to use.

Win John, Win!!! :bounce:

[Parche]

7. bumper sticker

I HAVE 2 BIG ONES ON THE BACK OF MY CAR!!!!

[Squeech]

8. I live in Massachusetts

Not a swing state. We even voted for McGovern, y'know.

[calico1]

13. A few reasons: I live in CT and at least in the area

where I live I have seen about maybe a whopping 3 signs, and a grand total of ONE yard sign. Although CT is solidly blue there are wingnuts here too. I have a new car and I don't care to have it vandalized. Also I absolutley hate having any kind of sticker or decal on my car, especially if its new.

[nostamj]

I don't have a car

and I don't have a yard but I do have a hat!

[HughBeaumont]

10. I have a great idea for bumpers -

Get two "W 04" stickers, an Earnhardt "3" sticker and place them next to each other. See who gets the joke and which developmentally arrested dumbass thinks you're a thunderin' GOP/NASCAR Daddy.

[catzies]

89. That is very funny!!!

n/t

[Dogmudgeon]

11. My mother is terrified

She is scared that if we put a Kerry sticker on even one of the cars, we will be targeted by Republican loons.

--bkl

[Rabelais]

12. bumper stickers are TRASHY

and nobody in the history of the universe has ever chosen who they would vote for because they saw a bumper sticker or yard sign.

[PittLib]

16. thanks for answering, you little ray of sunshine!

[goddess40]

19. It's more for support of your fellow Dems

When you only see the other sides stickers you think your out numbered.

[mongo]

26. Not true

People want to feel like they are voting for a winner. The more signs and bumper stickers they see, the more likely some of the undecideds will vote for Kerry.

[MISSDem]

79. True. And Karl Rove

believes (and so do I) that swing voters will vote for whomever it appears is going to win, ie it's psychology. Kerry in a landslide!

[RubyDuby in GA]

27. Trashy you say....

I think I'll put another one on my car and embellish them with rhinestones. That'll do it. :headbang:

[EnfantTerrible]

50. Do you own a BEDAZZLER?

I've been looking for one.

I don't have a car or a yard. I live in NYC. I do have a KERRY/EDWARDS poster on my front door along with my DU bumper sticker... if only I could find a BEDAZZLER

[RubyDuby in GA]

106. I lent mine to a friend and she never gave it back

I'm all about the tacky!!!

I will tell you that you can work wonders with a hot glue gun also. It's worth a try. As a matter of fact, I think it's time for an arts and crafts project for my debate party tomorrow night. Oh yeah. It's on.

But as for the bedazzler - any luck on ebay?

[tigereye]

35. no they get the word out

I have one on my car, plus my DU sticker. I am one of those lefty bumper sticker people. It may not change a vote, but at least it makes me feel better knowing that I am not alone in my desire for a new president!

[Cha]

63. We sure can't get the word out to much on the

networks..we have to use any creative way we can!

[tigereye]

80. yeah I saw one of those awful Swiftboat ads

those were horrible.. with Jane Fonda!, for God's sake. Calling the guy who actually went to Vietnam and had the guts to complain a traitor. Incredibly offesive. I called the station here ( Pittsburgh) to complain.

[Cha]

59. They are Not "trashy" , but they do

Make a Statement for our Democracy and the end of Lunacy!!

[VOX]

60. Thank you, Rabelais, for your commitment and activism.

???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[saracat]

64. People who refuse to show their support for their

candidate are trashy! And studies have proven that candidates with the most visible signage win. Study your political handbook!

[RummyTheDummy]

152. That's absolute bullshit

How many signs did Howard Dean have in New Hampshire? I wager somewhere between a shit load and a fuck load. What about Gephardt in Iowa?

Your assessment is straight out of some poorly produced "Politics For Idiots" guide and not rooted in any fact whatsoever. If winning elections were that simple, I wager you might even be able to get elected.

Show me some kind of scientific analysis of your claim or go elsewhere with this nonsense.

[MISSDem]

77. Oh you snob. Loosen up

and live a little.

[GoneOffShore]

140. I heard recently from a political

consultant that every bumper sticker is worth a $40K media buy.
put the damn sticker on.

[auntAgonist]

15. We have our yard sign

the Kerry office had NO bumper stickers left!!!!

WE do have letters to the editor puplished though hehe ..
oh and my homepage (shameless plug), written by my husband was published in our local paper just prior to Shrub invading Iraq.

checkit out :)
please?
go on, what have you got to lose :) ?
sign the guest book too? .. please :)

ok .. shameless plug over with.

I'm almost at 100 posts YAY ME!!

go KERRY!!!!!

[Elginoid]

17. bumper stickers are for losers.

say...that would make a good bumper-sticker.

[auntAgonist]

21. would you have one on your car though?

[Elginoid]

47. obviously not.

nt

[Snivi Yllom]

94. agree

bumperstickers are low class

[SW FL Dem]

18. Honestly, because I care about my kid

I had one all summer, but once school started, I realized that having a Kerry sticker on my car while dropping my 8th grader off at a school where probably 80% of the kids and their parents are hopeless Shrub supporters would make his life more miserable than it already is. My compromise is that I have a Kerry pin on my purse. I have a K/E sticker that I tape to my back window when I am alone in the car. I also have a sticker on the dash and I honk and show it to any other car I see with a K/E sticker. I donate and volunteer my time. I don't think my having a sticker on my car all the time would make enough of a difference to make it worthwhile.

[tigereye]

38. it bothers me to think that people are afraid to put a Kerry

sticker on their car. Have people lost their ability to realize that this is a democracy? See, at my son's school, almost all of us have Kerry stickers. I have not seen one * sticker. Maybe they are embarrassed! :)

[Cha]

65. You poor thing! When Kerry wins...

your son will be in the Winner's Circle!!

[MISSDem]

82. Way to go! You're really teaching that kid

that we live in a democracy and to think for herself aren't you? Is it socially unacceptable there to have a brain?

[PassingFair]

130. So sorry, SW...

My kid's notebooks are PLASTERED with Kerry/Edwards stickers. Last year, some of the kids at my older daughter's school thought her last name was ....Nowar.... because she had written NO WAR all over her notebooks. My kids are really outspoken, I tell them there's a time and a place, so they don't push it...but let someone spout nonsense about the chimp, and they go balistic. I'm VERY proud of them.

[SW FL Dem]

141. Thanks for understanding.

My son is very politically astute and I am extremely proud of him. In 2000, he proudly announced that he was voting for Gore in his class mock election. He was the only Gore vote out of 32 kids and his nickname for the rest of the year was "Sore Loserman". He was only 9 and new in the school. My son can debate politics better than 90% of adult Americans. He is a solid Kerry supporter. He told me it was OK to leave my bumper sticker on, but I wasn't willing to make him pay that price again. A bumper sticker isn't going to convince anyone. I think my efforts are better spent doing things that will actually make a difference in the election. So far, I've donated over $1500 to various dem supporting groups. I am a block captain. I just volunteered to be a part of the Kerry legal team and to be a poll watcher on election day. I also signed up to spend several hours a week phone banking, etc at the local Kerry headquarters. I was deeply upset by the other responses to my post, yours was a breath of fresh air.

[GreenPartyVoter]

20. I don't drive and you can hardly see my yard from the road, BUT

I do have an open letter to Mr. Kerry on the web that has gotten some traffic. (Mind you, no matter how negative you might take it to be, I AM checking his name of November come what may.)

[OnionPatch]

22. Bumper sticker, but not the yard

No, I live in Redneckland and I don't need all my neighbors hating me. I've already seen creepy, redneck-looking guys in camouflage trucks driving slowly past my house and peering at my bumper sticker.
Also want to add that I read a study that bumper stickers actually do have an effect. Wish I had the link. But they said that people (fence-sitters) like to go with the apparent winner sometimes. So the more Kerry stickers out there, the better. Also, it makes people know it's ok to support a certain candidate when they see real people, their neighbors, supporting them. The last good reason to have one is that it makes other Kerry supporters VERY happy to see them and you know how alone you can feel when you live in Republicanland.

[tigereye]

40. well I have seen 90% Kerry stickers

10 % * stickers here... but this is Pittsburgh and I live near very liberal neighborhoods. So I may have a skewed view.

[Butterflies]

99. I was the first on my street to put up a K/E yard sign, and

I was a little nervous. But since then 5 more have appeared, and it makes me feel so good about those neighbors! Two of the signs at one end of the street keep getting stolen, but the people go and get another one to replace - I love those people! I look for yard signs when I drive through neighborhoods in my town and I feel great seeing the K/E ones (though they are slightly outnumbered by the bush ones.)

I heard that having a Kerry bumpersticker is the same as donating $250 per month to the campaign because you are advertising for him. I'm willing to do whatever I can, and if some of my neighbors don't like me for being a Kerry supporter, then f*ck them. Life is short, stand for something!

[On the Road]

23. Oh, But I Do -- I Have Both

[Mick Knox]

24. I dont put any stickers on my car - why should I?

Its not like someone will look at it and go "gosh that guy in the cool ford focus is voting for Kerry so will I!"

Ruin my car for 30+ days of uselessness, and potentially bad (nothing good will happen for sure and it could be bad) - nah.

The horror stories on this MB solidly confirmed my antisticker position.

[kirkm76]

25. Because my car and house are nice.

Why not just throw some beer cans in the back of my truck and park some dead cars in my yard instead. I'm not going to change any minds with bumper stickers and yard signs.

[saracat]

69. I don't think you want to change any minds anyway!

How long do you think you'll keep the house and car if W is reelected?

[demnan]

28. I've got two on my car

But I'm not sure about a yard sign (in the window I live in a condo). We'll see.

[Skittles]

29. Guns

I live in Texas

[tigereye]

41. just read that one of the local Crawford rags

endorsed Kerry. I thought that was cool.

But Skittles, you can get out and kick their asses! ;)

[wellstone_democrat]

115. yep, me too

n/t

[mongo]

30. I never understood how the Nazi's came to power

and were able to pull jews out of their homes and into camps without people unprising against the government.

Reading this thread, it is becoming more clear.

Oh, I'm afraid of someone hurting my car... I don't want my neighbors to hate me... it won't make a difference....

Geesh people GET OFF YOU BUTTS AND DO WHATEVER YOU CAN TO HELP!

[tigereye]

42. that's how I feel Mongo

it doesn't really hurt your car, that I know of. I like lefty bumper stickers!

[Cha]

70. I never understood, either..but

over the last four years of seeing the networks/bush inc use the pages from the nazi playbook .. doing mind control over the airwaves and the acquiescence of the scared wabbits ..I understand it fully!

[ButterflyBlood]

148. Because I don't have a yard and I haven't got around to a bumper sticker

I will though.

[Tracer]

32. I've never, ever in my life, had a bumper sticker on my car.

But I do now!

I live in a town that has, over the many years I've lived her, changed from a semi-rural place with a number of farms Ñ to a yuppified, McMansionized, SUV-driving, Republican-voting (in Massachusetts, no less!) town.

What I see in the parking lots around town are plenty of those yellow, twisty ribbon "support the troops" stickers. The odd thing is, they are NOT accompanied by any other political bumper sticker Ñ no B/C, nor K/E.

Odd.

[tigereye]

44. yeah those look kind of odd to me

some of them are red, white and blue.. bet there is a Rep. connection.

[Cha]

71. My first bumpersticker was a

democraticunderground.com sticker in 2002..and from there to Dean For America(which I still have because he has been great for America) and then on to Kerry/Edwards/A Stronger America and Yellow Magnetic Ribbons.

They damn well know what I stand for in this small New York town.:)

[progressivebydesign]

33. My husband's boss is a rabid rightwinger..

..and we prefer to eat and pay our mortgage at the moment. He's the type that would fire you if you showed any type of democratic leanings... While it would be so groovy to show our support, this is not the economy or area to make that kind of a statement in our situation. My husband is also someone that believes, as I do, that you keep your politics to yourself at work..

I wear my WOMEN FOR KERRY dogtag everywhere.. and get scads of comments on it (all positive!).

[saracat]

56. Yeah well. So did a lot of Germans in WW2!

My husband doesn't feel comfortable with a bumper sticker either but he is starting to realise that if Bush is reelected we have no choice but to move to another country.I put the magnetized sticker on yesterday!

[ComerPerro]

37. My car gets beaten by anonymous people too much already.

I don't need some freeper feeling motivated to hit it.

[JVS]

39. I tend to give too many people the finger for my car to be a good...

place to promote anything.


I give this advice to other DUers: Don't put a kerry sticker on your car if you drive like an ass

[Pastiche423]

43. Don't have a car

Don't have a yard.

But I do have a backpack on my w/c.

My backpack is covered w/buttons for my choice of county commissioner, state house rep, state senate, secretary of state, house rep and senator.

I have no more room.

[JHB]

45. I don't have a car.

And the yard isn't mine, either.

[Larkspur]

46. I have my own version of Kerry bumperstickers on my car

and thanks to cafepress

[PassingFair]

131. Love you, Lark!

I am in sales in puke heavy area of Michigan right now. I keep my DEAN sticker because pukes think its cute (if they remember him at all)! A Kerry sticker would definately cost me sales here in Rochester Hills, so I can't flag my car, but my house looks like a regular whistle stop for democracy. Three lawn signs, signs in window, and my husband's car is "liberally" festooned with Kerry/Edwards, DEAN, and Democracy for America stickers.

[Larkspur]

167. Thanks. I'm going to create a bumer sticker for this photo also

and put it next to my license plate. I'm also going to try to turn this photo into a button to wear at my "Meet the Candidates" Dinner next month.

[snooper2]

49. Because I have 2

:)

[Misunderestimator]

51. I do. Both. Well, I do need to replace my yard signs

because Jeanne blew them away into some unknown republican's yard. But here's my car:

[Cha]

72. Aha, Proof!

Nice car..Too bad about your signs being blown into some unknown repug's yard!

[ArkDem]

52. I'm afraid to put one on my car because if Kerry loses the known

supporters will be the first to be rounded up for the re-education camps.

[Envisioned]

156. riiiiiiiiiiiiight

"I'm afraid to put one on my car because if Kerry loses the known supporters will be the first to be rounded up for the re-education camps."

That's a load of bull. You know better than that, come on.

[coalition_unwilling]

55. No room on the bumper, b/c so many anti-war bumper stickers

I'll decide whether to bump one of the anti-war stickers for a Kerry/Edwards sticker after Thursday's debate.

I'm in Southern California and take freeway to work each day; I'd estimate a 20-1 ratio of K/E to B/C based on my driving experiences.

[Cha]

57. I not only have a Kerry/Edwards

Stronger America bumpersticker on my car..I have a yellow magnetic "Support our Troops"! And they threw in a smaller..red, white, and blue,.."Freedom isn't Free"..Yur damn right it isn't..We've been working for four years to make sure we get our freedom back!!

And I gave the nurse downstairs a Kerry/Edwards sticker for her new car..! Which I see proudly displayed..she works in Utica(repuke mayor)so I hope her car is ok.

[movie_girl99]

62. My car is a month old

and i proudly stuck my K/E sticker on the bumper the day i drove it off of the lot. My husband and best friend gave me such shit but i make the f'in payment so......

[Cha]

73. Welcome to DU,

Movie_girl! Atta girl!

[movie_girl99]

81. many thanks

to all of you here for the huge motivation to educate myself and others.

[CBHagman]

66. I don't have a car or a yard.

I'm checking with the apartment complex management to see if window signs are allowed.

Other than that, I go everywhere with my Kerry/Edwards button displayed, and I'm practically ready for a tattoo, preferably a prominent one. Can't decide on a design, though.

[HootieMcBoob]

68. I don't have a car or a yard either

sad isn't it? :nopity:

[txindy]

67. Anyone worried about vandalism

just glue a magnetic strip onto the back of the bumper sticker and take it on/off at will. Drive around with it on and take it off when you park. I understand your worries about vandalism, but this will help.

I use bumper stickers and window decals, plus different magnets on the car to rotate messages. I get such a kick out of seeing other K/E stickers when I'm out and about that I broke down and decided to put some on my car. First time in my life, too. But I have a LOT of company around here -- and I live in the Texas Hill Country. More K/E stickers than * stickers, by my count. Unscientific, of course!

[Terran]

74. Two on my car

but I haven't been able to get a yard sign. But I already have two other Dem race yard signs, so I'm doing my part for state and local district races.

[MISSDem]

75. There is one on my car!

Kerry by a landslide (deep throat told me)

[Catherine Vincent]

78. I have both.

[movie_girl99]

83. I have a Kerry sign in the window

of my living room but after i read that someone here had theirs shot at i made sure to move it so if that happened it would hit the TV and not one of my children or husband.

[callous taoboy]

162. My ripped up one is in car window

and I have the pieces seperated by a quarter of an inch to exaggerate the ripped nature of sign. Found this sign lying in the street on my ride to work.

[onehandle]

85. just noticed I missed the "r" in "your".

I have a light typing technique. So sue me. ;-)

I heard some freep types here in my building "worrying" about the number of Kerry stickers out there. Make them worry More!

I also have a (homemade) Air America Radio sticker, with our local affiliate's station.

1690-AM Air Atlanta.

[KamaAina]

86. I don't have a car. I don't have a yard.

and you wonder why I'm a progressive Democrat :-)

[onehandle]

88. T-Shirts and buttons are perfectly acceptable.

I wear mine on errands. Get lots of thumbs up.

[democratreformed]

87. I have TWO of them - the John Kerry and the Kerry-Edwards along

with Vic Snyder and "NO MO BUSH"

[democratreformed]

109. Oh, and TWO yard signs too - one at work and one at home. n/t

[no name no slogan]

90. Can't bring myself to cover my Kucinich sticker

...but I've got plenty of "get rid of Bush" stuff, as well as one for union, to compensate.

As far as yard signs, good luck in my part of the world. The state party office can barely keep them in stock, they go out so fast!

I'm still not totally "with" Kerry on several things, but I'm still voting for him. Too bad nobody makes a "Vote Kerry/Edwards -- They Suck Less!" bumper sticker.

[latebloomer]

107. Not totally with him either

so, instead, I have a "Visualize World Peace" and a DU sticker on my car, and a "Be About Peace" yard sign.

See, I was hoping for a peace candidate.

(Obligatory disclaimer-- I AM voting for Kerry- sigh)

[Character Assassin]

91. Because I'm not a Democrat, and I'm not voting for him?

That seems pretty clear to me.

[Misunderestimator]

93. Um... gee... I hope that's a joke.

[Character Assassin]

96. Newp, not a joke.

I'm not a dem (or a Dem), and I'm not voting for him. Why would you think that's a joke?

[Misunderestimator]

98. Well, because I'd venture to guess that the majority of the people

that post on a site called DemocraticUnderground, would be democrats, and even if not, they would be voting for Kerry. Who will you be voting for?

[Character Assassin]

101. Well, I rock the party that rocks the body

I've been around here since only a few months after this site went up, and haven't been converted yet. One doesn't have to belong the party to agree with it's stances to some, however peripheral or remote, degree.

I am a libertarian, but haven't decided on if I can stomach voting Libertarian this year. To doctrinaire and lockstep for realism, and I can't support that.

[Misunderestimator]

104. At this point it's not about lockstepping or indoctrination...

it's purely and simply about stopping the bleading and that means getting Bush out of power, and voting for Kerry is the only viable means of doing so.

[Character Assassin]

105. They represent the exact same thing to me.

The growth, consolidation and utilization of federal power.

Kerry is Bush is Kerry is Bush.

Voting for either is the only viable means of stopping the Shibboleth that they both support.

[Misunderestimator]

112. Well if you think that Kerry = Bush and have been on this site since 2001

far be it from me to waste any time trying to convince you.

[Character Assassin]

117. Oh, please try? Please? Please? Pretty please?

I'm on your side moreso than the Pubbies, but only just ;-)

[Misunderestimator]

118. LOL... uh uh, fella... I don't have the energy...

I have convinced two people in the past week to vote who were not planning to vote and to vote for Kerry, but somehow I think you might be a tad bit too much work. :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

151. Vote for Kerry or I'll take the batteries out of your mate

:evilgrin: BTW...did I introduce you to Misunderestimator yet? We were going to ask you to be our best man? ;-)

[Character Assassin]

154. A sheep without batteries is like......

Night?

[Misunderestimator]

160. Only if he votes for Kerry... I was planning a lockstepping processional..

down the aisle :D

[Cats Against Frist]

168. I want to take a shot at this (very long)

I'm a libertarian. Yes, that is a small-L libertarian -- but the reason that I don't vote Libertarian is because they're not fucking serious -- most of the party is disaffected, former GOP members -- for god's sake -- when you have a "libertarian" party platform that's split over abortion, as in owning the property that is your own body -- something stinks to all get out.

So, I think it taints libertarianism, particularly since there are libertarian veins that rely on the Marxist critique of society, but still do not believe in government "coersion." Meaning, that I personally would favor a society where 1. Trade unions were strong, and cooperatives thrived 2. People were discriminate about where they put their dollar and their labor, keeping corrupt companies in check by refusing to work for them or buy their products 3. Government was decentralized, with the state and local levels have more control 4. Drugs, of course, legalized, and the drug war ends 5. Open borders 6. No pre-emptive war, and the ONLY use of the military would be to defend our shores -- not manipulate other countries, be the world policeperson, or clear the way for corporate interest 7. I wish, like the "Big-L" libertarians that the U.S. government would cede some public lands to ranchers, but that most protected public land should be returned to Native American tribes, or be owned by the Sierra Club, or the Audubon Society 8. The corporation should be cut off from the government -- meaning no tax incentives, no handouts, no bailouts, no access to the treasury, tax dollars, and that the corporation would be stripped of its human status and have no voice in the making of laws and 9. That people would take care of their families -- meaning their elderly parents, and have larger extended-family networks, be thrifty and not wasteful and that "personal responsiblity" would have to apply to everyone -- including bankers, business people, CEOs, small business owners, politicians, police and the military.

What sets me apart from most of the right-leaning and "big-L" libertarians, is that I don't privilege, morally, the "anarchocapitalist" or neo-liberal view as over the communal, or anarchosyndicalist view. I think I'm a true libertarian, meaning that I support both the individual and the collective, and that in a truly responsible and virtuous society, a la Thomas Jefferson, a la Rousseau, the collective would be as important as the individual, and the individual would still never be coerced, but would be a good person.

Call me a dreamer.

So, I don't jive well with pretend right-wing libertarians, who think that "libertarian" actually just means that you'll be "free of those totalitarian commies on the left," which is a large part of the make up of the Libertarian party, though, I agree that they have a range, just like the Democratic party and the Scum-butt-lickin Party.

Fundamentally, it's that true libertarianism shouldn't "pride" capitalism over communalism, or vice-versa, really. The problem with anarchocapitalists and neoliberals is that they simply want the government not to interfere with capitalism -- many of these people are totally into totalitarianism, outside of that -- and are into Ayn Rand, Friedman, and Rothbund, whom, in my opinion, are snake-oil salesmen and women, and either try to shut out the "virtue" or "altruism" part of government that was discussed PROMINENTLY in the shaping of our nation -- the Bill of Rights, Rousseau, Jeffersonian, Enlightenment philosophies -- OR they try to link capitalism and God, which is just fucking crazy. People should stick with Mises and Hayek, in my opinion. Anyway, that's another story.

So why am I voting for John Kerry, and why should you? I'll tell you why I became a libertarian, in the first place. I used to be FIRMLY state socialist, pro-Affirmative Action, into identity politics -- the entire leftist thing, and I NEVER REALIZED the drawbacks to this, until I was introduced to "Big Brother on the Right," which is -- and I don't know how you can say they're the same -- way far fucking more scary that the very limited socialism of the Democratic left. At best, the Democrats want to give society the modernist blank slate, where everyone is equal, pluralism is privileged, and you have to chunk out a little money on the side to support the Welfare state. The GOP, on the other hand, has some very disturbing fundamentalist, xenophobic, racist, misogynist, greedy, arrogant elements that hold it together, and further, have tried to turn capitalism, which is essentially a system devoid of moral values, into an absolute, moralist value (this is why I can't stand Friedman).

The cultural supremacism of the right is far more viscious, magical, superstitious and, uh, primitive than the identity politics of the left. Of course, I do feel that the best course, charted by reason and self-evidence for governance is classical liberalism and anarchism and libertarianism -- whatever you want to call it, whichever way you want to lean.

But here's the thing -- it's an ideology, and while it's fun to be an ideologue, when you come to the table, your policies have to have some application in the "real world." So, oddly, for me, being also in favor of consensus building, yet being something of a radical in philosophy -- I end up being a middle-of-the-roader. Because, face it, the parties together, in cooperation, check each other and balance each other out, keeping "robbed liberty" somewhat balance, and therefore more fair. YES I do feel that overall, the dems are too far to the right, but they're actually FAR more centrist, in the grand scheme of political philosophy, than the GOP which is seriously flirting with fascism.

If a person is not bright enough to realize that the GOP, and their policies are more of an affront to the Constitution, classical liberalism, rationality, and the virtue of Jefferson than the the Democrats, I feel sorry for you, because you've been brainwashed by the right-wing.

Now, there IS the idea, that many anarchists/libertarians hold that you should hurry the collapse of the system -- in which case, that would mean you vote for Bush. However, even though the corporations will continue to buy up the government and render the concept of fair law useless, I don't necessarily bank on the culture war igniting. For one thing -- everyone's fat -- and lethargic. Second, I'm not entirely sure, that, even though I'm paranoid of the religious right, that the GOP isn't just kind of "stringing them along," with some of this bullshit hope of turning this country into a fundamentalist paradise of crap. Because, remember, their first loyalty is to corpo-fascism, and those that are hybrids (Chrisitan zealots and corpo-fascists) are worshipping a kind of Christianity that privileges money over the real teachings of Jesus. I think that corporate profit relies, to some extent, on a modicum of decadence, prurience and instant gratification -- things that aren't really compatible with the Puritains of the religious right. And, in addition, like some people, I don't even fear the collapse of the welfare state with the GOP in charge, as Bush has shown us -- they don't want to reduce taxes, or reduce distant control of your life -- they just want to shift it from government to corporate -- a kind of fake privitization that is every bit as much "on the teat," as the welfare state.

So I really think the GOP rhetoric is all bullshit -- Orweillian and magical-thinking to the point that anyone that takes any of their social values or freedom talk or liberty talk, or "small government" rhetoric is seriously an A-1, major league, first class fucking moron.

And that's really the point -- to rope idiots into support the corpo-fascists. I mean what part of socially engineered "trickle down," which shifts the tax burden to the middle class, using the military as a corporate arm, tax incentives, closed-door policies favoring big business, taxpayer monies funnelled into Halliburton, so they can pay a mercenary a 100 thousand dollars a year, while our soldiers make squat, the corporation getting human status in the courts, bailouts, subsidies -- and having our politicians be either CEOS, cronies or family members of proven, corrupt compaines (Columbia/HCA Bill Frist), or owned by them.

Honey, what part of that is free market? It's the marriage of corporations and government -- which is the exact opposite.

Anyway, the main reason to vote for Kerry, and I'm here to tell you, if you can't see how much more fucked up the right is than the left, then you've been part of some MK-Ultra, Britney Spears, LSD in the drinking water, wear sunglasses-see aliens, kind of major mind fuck up.

So vote for Kerry -- unless you think the GOP is brave enough to take their social ideological extremism far enough to literally collapse the system by which wealth is protected and concentration of wealth is encouraged, and the plebeians are kept from storming the estate driveway and putting the ultra-richies' heads on posts in the front yard, with their breads and circuses, and their Social Security check.

In other words -- that's a bigger fucking pipedream than libertarianism. :)

[AgadorSparticus]

150. oh god. same shit different day.

:crazy:

[Character Assassin]

153. Yep. More of your 'blind leading the blind' bullshit

Wake me when you actually vote on principle, or better yet, live by it.

[sonicx]

135. you're not staying home are you? nt

[Zhade]

92. No room! I have about 20 on there now.

Plus, I'm voting against b*sh, not necessarily for Kerry (though I am suspending judgement on him until I see how he governs).

[RichardRay]

95. Both, but since no one ever sees my cabin

the sign is mostly noticed by moose and bears. There was a woodpecker sitting on it the other day, but he was a Democratic woodpecker so did it no damage.

I have a couple stickers on my vehicle, even here in red Wyoming. It have them to help initiate conversations, some of which have revealed interest from folks I wouldn't have expected. They're also there so that the other handful of folks with similar views in this area know to wave and give a thumbs up when we pass each other on the road.

I did get physically accosted once a few months ago, but he was pretty inept and it came to nothing.

Richard Ray - Jackson Hole, WY

[ima_sinnic]

97. I am STILL waiting for the Kerry campaign to send me the 2

bumper stickers I was promised for my donation months ago (remember when DU had an official Kerry campaign contribution drive?). If I had 'em, I'd put 'em on my car--in fact, I very much want to do that. I have e-mailed Kerry HQ 3 times asking about my bumper stickers but have never received an answer. I guess they don't really care if people display the stickers or not.

[PassingFair]

133. Hey Ima...

pm me baby, i've got a couple extra I can drop in the mail for you....

[sandnsea]

165. Send me your address

I got those 2 plus 50 more for a $50 donation. Don't know what could have happened to yours.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

100. becuase they are charging for yard signs.

That has to be the dumbest political move ever by a campaign

NO ONE CHARGES FOR YARD SIGNS!

[Kukesa]

142. Charging for yard signs is dumb!

I have to agree with you, WHH. However, you do realize, don't you, that here in Montgomery County (Dayton, Ohio) Dem HQ had NO PLANS to give out yard signs. No plans; nada, zip, zilch.

The co-chair of my visibility committee footed the bill to order 2,000 signs; she used her credit card to buy them. She HAD to be reimbursed for the money, and as soon as she was, we gave away most of the remaining signs.

They have 2,500 signs at Dem HQ -- signs that can't be used because the poly-bags don't fit the wickets. Big blunder. What are they doing about it? Nada, zip, zilch.

People drive downtown, park their cars, walk to HQ and leave empty-handed and angry.

Go figure.

:shrug:

[sweetheart]

102. I just ordered on on your web link

I've no excuse, except i figured any scottish people who see the
sticker on a scottish car, might not even know what it was.

That said, why the hell not.

As for the yard sign... its all a bit much in rural scotland. I'd
be much better with a liberal democrats sign... but they're already
in power for this area, so its not much of a start.... plus
nobody will come down a mile of dirt road to see a sign in a
foreign country to vote in a US election.

How much donation would it take, for DU to send out a Kerry sticker
along with the democraticunderground.com sticker i already have on
me car? Perhaps we can get DU a buncha stickers so they send out
both with every contribution... is that reasonable?

[Arkana]

103. I don't, um, own a car.

My parents both have stickers though.

[JVS]

108. Don't want to cover up my "Honk if you're horny" bumpersticker

:-)

[Cheesehead]

110. I've got a big old window van

with 2 Kerry/Edwards and 1 Feingold poster in the windows plus John Kerry, Feingold, DU and "If you aren't appalled, your aren't paying attention" stickers on the bumper and a "Take my Overtime, Lose my Vote" sticker on the back door. And then there are my yard signs!

No theft or vandalism so far.

[jonnyblitz]

111. it clashs with my Korn sticker n/t

[hiphopnation]

113. Because I don't have a car.

Or a yard. I have a shoulder-bag wit a Kerry-Edwards button firmly affixed to the strap.

Good enough for ya? :bounce:

[wellstone_democrat]

114. I live in west Texas, near the "home" of Bush*

I've already sacrificed one window to the cause thanks.

I have yet to even see a Kerry/Edwards bumpersticker in real life. Or a TV commercial or a yard sign. Its like a one man race here and still these people are *angry*---that anyone dare run against their own-tin-god.+

[annabanana]

119. dear lord w-d

How can you stand it?

[wellstone_democrat]

145. liquor

lots and lots of liquor...:evilgrin:


But, its where the job is at the moment so here I be...

[stavka]

120. I have them IN my car front and back, on my car lowers value

...and makes me more vulnerable to vandalism.

[Lady Effingbroke]

121. No Kerry sticker on my car (I am afraid of vandalism), but

my yard sign is ok so far - I leave it out 24-7 - and I wear my Kerry pin every day!
Surprisingly, MANY more Kerry signs than * signs in my neighborhood (I live in southeast Houston). Just as a guesstimate, I'd say about 5 Kerry signs to every * sign, and people with Kerry signs in their yard tend to display several, where people with * signs only have one.

[Columbia]

122. I saw a red Mustang in LA today

And I could barely tell it was red because almost every square inch was covered with some kind of Kerry/Edwards sticker.

I honked and gave a thumbs up.

C'mon, I know you are a DU'er. Fess up, who was it?

[DebJ]

123. I don't have one because I have two instead. And a yard sign

on my deck. I park the car outside of the garage so that half of our complex can see the bumper stickers as well as the yard sign as they drive home.
This has apparently driven the neighbors across the street crazy; last week they put a Bush bumper sticker on their front door. This is a rental community...they have now vandalized it. If Kerry wins, I'm REALLY gonna love watching them try to peel that thing off!

[strategery blunder]

124. I don't have a car or a yard

but I have a K/E sticker on my dorm door, along with bu$h*'s attack ads if he was running against Jesus.:bounce:

Do I pass the test? (My first K/E sticker was removed by a freeper who remains at large.)

[UdoKier]

125. Because I have two.

I have no yard sign because my front yard is a concrete sidewalk and I have no windows facing the street.

[nookiemonster]

127. Most definitely

Kerry sticker on back of truck and window of apartment. Also, Kerry / Edwards IBEW Local 1 sticker on cubicle at work (Local 1 is the union that my brother and stepdad belong to, International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers). I used to belong, but I took my honorable withdrawal due to having to take a corporate position. Of course, my spirit is still there....

[Blue_Roses]

128. glad to say--I have sticker and a sign!

n/t

[Flammable Materials]

129. I would put a yard sign in front of my apartment ...

... but my lease agreement specifically forbids it.

But I don't know whether or not I could tape one up in my window.

My car has been "Kerrified" for months and months and months.

[frustrated_lefty]

132. Hmmm...

I have no problem putting anti-Bush stickers on my car. There are four at the moment:

1) Defend America, Defeat Bush
2) A village in Texas has lost its idiot
3) Stop Mad Cowboy Disease (with a photo of shrub next to it)
4) Bush and Orwell' 04

I'll be happy to put more anti-Bush stickers on my car. Be damned if I'm putting a pro-Kerry sticker on until and unless I find a reason to be pro-Kerry. He gets my vote, but it's only because he's not Bush. If you don't like that, that's your problem. He gets my vote, so shut up about it.

[amazona]

134. is this a serious question ?

With my annual income in the high four figures, I cannot afford to have my paint keyed or my windows smashed. In case you haven't noticed, the other side is evil, violent, and without conscience.

I don't put my politics on a defenseless automobile, I will put it where it counts, in my vote. I have also registered another Kerry voter, so give me half credit. We all do what we can based on the realities we have to deal with.

[Gregorian]

136. I've got a $75k car.

There's no way I'm sticking anything to it. And I know what you're thinking. Let me just say this in my defense- I rode bikes for ten years, rain shine or snow. And I still only drive 4000 miles per year at most. And it isn't a new car. I wouldn't buy a new car. And I don't have kids. So I can afford to do something ritzy.
There. Am I exhonerated?

[Catherine Vincent]

137. Are you married?

;-)

[Gregorian]

139. That sounds like it might be a loaded question.

I have two cats. I think that qualifies me as married.
}:-Þ

[theboss]

138. Because I find bumper stickers ugly and tacky...

...and I like my car being shiny and pretty.

I live in a condo. No yard.

I do have a "Re-Defeat Bush" sign on the wall in my office. I'm having a fun battle with the Republican in the next office. We have a MAD pact in terms of covering the other's car/home/wife with stickers.

As for the people who are afraid, I think that you are overplaying the melodrama a bit.

[shanti]

143. not in that bunch

i have a bumper sticker on my (new) van. it was one of the first things i did when i bought it in may. i've had several people comment on it and it hasn't been vandalized yet. my tract has a rule against yard signs, but i may just put one up and see what happens :evilgrin:

[Nicole]

144. No bumper sticker for me

I have never liked them on my vehicles.

However I do have 2 yard signs. I live on a corner lot of a busy street. So they see my Kerry signs coming & going. :headbang:

I have to hose one of them off quite often, it has been pelted with trash (tomatoes?) several times. I am dreading the pumpkin season. :evilfrown:

[Pax Argent]

146. Got a bumper sticker on my truck; I don't own a home

I did it because I wanted to show pride in our candidate and as something of a social experiment. I'll be honest, though. I probably wouldn't have done it if I didn't intend to get rid of the truck early next year.

I have had it on for about two weeks, and I have already picked up one Brownshirt-o-gram from an unnamed co-worker advising me to "wake up". I'll be interested to see what the next few weeks bring.

[REP]

147. No Stickers of Any Sort on My Car

They're impossible to remove once they get faded and old and just leave a huge nasty mess.

I don't have a yard.

[onehandle]

169. The Kerry stickers are vinyl and cleanly removable.

Place it on your rear windshield if you want to be totally safe.

[cosmicvortex20]

149. Im not defacing my auto for anyone...

Not even for the 2nd coming.

[Envisioned]

155. damage to cars

I don't have any intention of putting ANY stickers on my car. I've heard of too many cases of people damaging cars with Bush-Cheney stickers on them, and that pisses me off. I refuse to be a part of the game that some people are playing.

If anyone were to smash up my car because I had a bush-cheney sticker, or ANY sticker for that matter, they'd better hope I wasn't walking up to the car at that time.

[PA Democrat]

161. Bush Cheney sticker on your car?

You are in the WRONG place buddy.

[Dees]

157. I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadilac..you can never

look back...you can never look back. I have a John Kerry sticker on my car and I'm in serious, serious pretzel-drunk country here in Maryland. If it gets keyed so be it. I own it ...it doesn't owen (as they say here) me.

[Guava Jelly]

158. i have one in my back window of car

and one on my front bumper so people comming towards me can also see it ...more exposure that way

[DoNotRefill]

159. Because it would be an "identifying feature".

the same reason I don't have tattoos.

What's the point in buying a completely non-descript car if you're going to personalize it to the point that it becomes obvious that it's yours? There's a big difference between a BOLO for a (whatever color) (whatever common brand) of car, and a BOLO for that same car with a bunch of Kerry bumperstickers on it.


/likes being invisible

[Drifter]

163. I requested a free sticker from Kerry ...

and it has not come.

Cheers
Drifter

[sandnsea]

166. Send me your address too

I've got some extras, see post above.