Am I the only one who is disgusted by the people who

[saracat]

don't put up signs or bumper stickers because they are "afraid" that their RW neighbors will hate them? What, do they think the RW actually like them now? This makes me furious! Dems are getting disheartened by polls and media coverage, and some people can't even let us know they are own our side. They cite jobs and children and new cars! ( when they could use magnetic backing) I think these people don't get that they will have no houses or jobs and their children will not be safe if Dubya is elected. They want it both ways and you know what? That isn't going to happen. They expect to be able to get on with their everyday lives no matter the outcome. They are like the noncommittal Germans who tried to save heir own hides with silence during WW11! And exactly what do they think they are teaching their "children" by hiding their convictions because of their fear of a scratched car?

[skygazer]

1. I agree with you

I also get annoyed at the people who don't want to defend their views for fear of causing a rift or upsetting someone. That's crazy. No one should feel apologetic for wanting to save their country from the insanity of GW Bush!

[Masterdebate]

109. I don't put stickers on my car

because they make the car look crappy and cheap..

[dave123williams]

2. First, they came for...

First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.


Pastor Martin Niemöller

[Mallifica]

136. I love that quote

[amber dog democrat]

3. I have a Re Defeat Bush sign in the FY

and a "No" W sticker on my car. Screw them.
I happen to live in a RED state too. I do understand the timidity however.
I know I had feelings of trepidation too. Still do but i want to be counted while it matters.

[gospelized]

4. i have exactly the opposite feelings

i live in a mostly red state, and i RELISH every chance i get to drive around in my car hoping some wingnut will see my stickers.

but more often than negative feedback, i get peace signs and waves from other cars.

[goddess40]

18. Don't you love it at stop lights to watch the guy behind read your bumper

It is hilarious to watch them shake their heads in disgust.

[gospelized]

31. yes it is funny

i've been following reactions closely, and this is what i've noticed.

people who react badly:

older (55+) white, balding, fat, white hair, plaid shirted males.

people who react positively:

everyone else.

[MuseRider]

5. Well

reading some of the reports here I would not care to have my car keyed etc. if I lived in a place where that happened often. I do live in Kansas and my truck is anti Bush* for certain and our K/E yard sign has not been disturbed and up for about 2 months. No problems from anyone so I guess it all depends on where you live and what the major issues are. My truck was keyed for my Evolve fish but the anti Bush* stickers are untouched. :shrug:

Before the selection I never ever had a bumper sticker or a yard sign, I am not sure they really make all that much difference.

[saracat]

7. Before this election we didn't realize we

had NO media to get our word out. It is only through yard signs and bumper stickers that we can show any support for Kerry at all.

[MadHound]

6. Tell you what tough guy

C'mon out here to the middle of rural red country and pull the bullets and buckshot out of my house after I put a Kerry sign up, OK. Hustle my happy gunshot ridden ass off to the hospital after some Bubba decides that he don't like no commies livin' next to him or liberals of any stripe. Pay for all of the shit broken into, smashed to bits or otherwise vandalized by a gang of Bushco brownshirt youths in a drunken fit of rage. Then tell me how cowardly I am.

Sorry friend, but there are some places in this country where doing these things you ask for is plain and simple hazardous to your health. My neighbors know what my stance is, and don't bother me. But if I put up signs and such, it would, rightly or wrongly, be considered to be rubbing their faces in it, and they would not respond favorably. Don't believe me? Go talk to the Democrat down the road from me who not only had his sign shot up, but his house and car also. Or the woman who was run off the road, simply because she had a Kerry sticker on her car. It isn't that I care what my neighbors think of me, I don't. I simply don't want bad, brutal, violent things to happen to me or mine. If I was single, it would probably be a different story. But I'm married, and have other priorities. This is Callaway County friend, the heart of Little Dixie here in Missouri, hell, they only rejoined the Union ten years ago. Does that tell you something?

But don't worry, I put my time, money and effort in other, more friendly places. Luckily I'm only about thirty miles from a college town, where the atmosphere is more inviting, politics wise. That is where I expend my energy, where it will do the most good. But no friend, I am not going to engage in suicide tactics in my own back yard. You don't like it, fine. But don't blast those of us who have to remain low key, for many of us it is literally a matter of life and death.

[Lars39]

8. Thank you, madhound.

[SW FL Dem]

69. Thank you Madhound

The last place I thought I would be attacked was at DU. I'm doing what I feel comfortable doing and I think my efforts will make much more of a difference than slapping a bumper sticker on my car or a yard sign in my yard.

[donheld]

72. I feel for many of you

do the best you can but be safe

[saracat]

9. Use a magnetic sticker in so called "dangerous " areas and remove it when

necessary. You are "married and have other priorities"? How safe is anyone going to be if Dubya is reelected because all the wimpy voters see only B/c stickers and think Bush is a winner, or, are afraid , because they too, fear whats happened in your neighborhood. I sympathize with your position, but most people are just protecting material possessions. What do any of the authorities say about this in your neck of the woods? Not to be Pollyanna, but you do have a right to be protected. It almost sounds like the rural version of the ghetto taken over by gang warfare! And don't any of your neighbors have a problem with this? Or do they remain silent? Isn't this as bad as tolerating the KKK so long as they don't hurt you? Good luck and I hope you can stay safe. I would probably be more "cowardly" but less acquiescent. I would move.

[MadHound]

14. And how much good am I going to be friend when I'm dead?

And remember, you need all the votes you can get, if I'm gone, or us other rural Dems are gone, less votes for Kerry, and then Bush really wins. Which would you rather have, dead voters, with their lawn signs proudly waving, or signless yards, but their live owners going to the polls proudly voting Dem.

Quite frankly, we've reached something of an armed truce out here in the sticks where I live. We don't have any lawn signs or bumperstickers, and we generally leave politics out of the conversation unless it is asked for.

And friend, I'm not "just protecting material possessions", though Lord knows, I don't have the money to replace such things. I'm protecting my life, my wife's life, and the lives of my pets, friends and family.

And calling for the local law enforcement to do something about this is a joke. Don't you get it? They, or ones they know, are in on this.

And yes, by moving you WOULD be more cowardly by moving. At least I'm out here, reclaiming the rural landscape for good Dems. You're so damn fucking tough, c'mon down, let's see what you're made of when you're living next to a proud born again red-neck wielding a full auto with extended clips. Then tell me how I should be brave and put a target on my back. Sorry friend, but I'll stay out here, converting people low key, one mind at a time. And in about twenty years, when it is all safe, you can move out here and fearlessly put up all the lawnsigns you want. And you won't even have to worry about them, or you, getting shot at.

[saracat]

26. Madhound, I didn't say that "You" were only protecting your possessions"

I was trying to differentiate between you and the person who is afraid of "scratching their car". You have real concerns. I also said I wouldn't want to be "Pollyanna" about your law enforcement because I suspected they might not help. I still say that most of those fraidy cats are just protecting their Stuff. But you are a different case entirely. I don't know how you expect to change minds where you are.You say most know your position and yet people are shot at. It boggles the mind. I wish you well. I think it is horrible that such people as your neighbors exist, but they do . Maybe in a Kerry administration they could be taught something, but I doubt it. Good Luck to you.

[MadHound]

36. Sorry for the argumentative tone friend,

But your post was listed as a reply to mine.

And quite frankly, you would be suprised at how easy it is to change people's minds when you get with them low key, one on one. Most people out here do respond to logic, but the key is in the presentation. Like I said earlier, if you put a sign in your front yard, it is considered combative, an in your face challenge. But if you pull somebody aside at a fish fry or chili dinner, or talk with them over the fence, then that is acceptable. You're talking to your neighbor in that case, not beating them over the head. And that approach works well. I've already got a good double handful of Kerry voters going to the polls in November, and am working on more out here. It really is a matter of talking to these people, informing them of what is really going on. It is that they have been overwhelmed with Bushshit for a long time. Pointing out the flaws in logic, presenting them with sources other than Faux truly does wonders. But propriety and etiquette of the region must be observed, otherwise I'm just an agitating outsider from that liberal hellhole of a college town.

But this will change. Callaway County is being brought into the 21st century slowly but surely. There are a few others like me who have recently moved into the neighborhood, and we are working on and with our new neighbors. As more "natives" see the light, as more "townies" move in, then like I said earlier, in about twenty years, Callaway County will be a blue county. It is simply a matter of time, effort, and being neighborly friendly, not in their face.

[ForrestGump]

121. And, what, exactly, is WRONG with people wanting to

"protect their stuff?

I'm not overly materialistic, but I do treasure some of my possessions. I also canot afford to randomly replace things martyred to The Cause for no really compelling reason. That's especially true after the financial disaster that's accompanied my divorce and the loss of just about everything that I own that preceded it -- if I were a materialist, I'd have already killed myself in response to those losses.

I bet you'd be peeved if someone took away or smashed that nice, shiny computer of yours.

[AngryOldDem]

132. Oh please!

Madhound has good reasons why sometimes it is not prudent to be visible with political statements. Some places are indeed like this. And I don't blame him for choosing his safety and that of his family's over politics. He knows the climate. Unless you're living next door to him, you really have no call to be second guessing.

I have a yard sign and a bumper sticker. So far, nothing has happened to the house, but there are still several weeks left to go. I have been tailgated more than usual, and I was in a stare-down contest one evening at a light with a car full of young men. I thank God that I was going through the intersection, and not in front of them, making a turn.

I have shirts, but, sorry, I will not wear them in public because yes, I am a little afraid and intimidated by the very real hostility some have for John Kerry. I weigh a little more than 100 pounds on a 5-2 frame, so I would be a very easy target for someone who I would happen to set off. So if I'm being a traitor to the cause for not having guts...well, I do want to be able to vote on Election Day --for John Kerry, in case there's any doubt.

[beyurslf]

10. Thank you. While I have bumper stickers and a sign in my yard

I don't care one bit if someone else does. If they don't want a sign or a sticker, that is their deal. my mom won't put a bumper sticker on because she thinks they look tacky. But so what? She votes for Kerry. The important thing is who they vote for in the end.

[MaryH]

11. Me, too.

I am afraid of having my car vandalized. And that happens around here in Bibleland.

[drunkdriver-in-chief]

22. Repubs are psycopaths and you have to watch them

I live in the west and i think it's much safer here to use the internet to attack bush/support kerry. Repubs are subhumans who think all arabs and all liberals should literally be murdered.

[knitter4democracy]

65. You know what one family in my little town did?

They were one of the only U of M fans in town (it's Michigan State country there--and it's a very serious rivalry), and they flew a U of M flag in front of their house. Well, it would get shot up pretty frequently until the family figured out to put an American flag right above the U of M flag. Now, no one dares shoot at their flag because they might hit Old Glory by mistake (no one's that good a shot).

You could make sure that you have the American flag all over everything so that they don't hurt you. Btw, I hear you on living in redneck-land: I grew up in rural Michigan, which is pretty much the same.

[IdaBriggs]

79. So, you are saying its not safe for you to air your political views?

Your wife's life might be in danger because of your -- or her -- political views? People will shoot guns at you? Run you off the road? Treat you poorly if you behave like a Patriot?

I didn't realize we had our own little Iraqs in this country. Perhaps someone should mention it to the Kerry campaign? Or perhaps the President should be told.

No. He'd probably be proud.

[BamaGirl]

82. Thank you...

From deep in the heart of what has become a very fanatic Dixie. Some of us have kids and/or other considerations. I'll vote my opinion of this administration, and when asked I don't back down. But I will not go borrowing trouble.

~~BamaGirl

[tech3149]

12. OK so what is the advantage of

spending $600 fixing damage to your personal property or using that money to do pamphleteering or guerrilla operations that can reach more people? I HATE fixing things I don't have to. I ALWAYS go for the highest P/E ratio benefit. You wanna waste your money and time, fine! I've got better things to do.
Please forgive me for my disrespectful and argumentative tone. We all have our own perspective. I've got no income and I'm committed to regime change. Beyond that goal, I've got myself and my family to worry about. I hope you can understand those interests.

[saracat]

16. Spend two bucks and get magnetic backing for the sticker.

I have no income at the moment either. But we have no media coverage. The only wat we have to let people see that there is support for Kerry is in signs or stickers. You won't have to worry about"spending $600 fixing personal property" if Bush is elected. You won't have any. Sorry about my argumentative tone, but that is the way I see it. No one is asking anybody to endanger there lives. Just get a removable bumper sticker for God's sake. Doesn't anybdy see how demoralised Dems are getting by the relentless pounding. Just seeing a bumper sticker can make someone's whole day. Seeing a whole lot of stickers can sway a vote. Again, we need to do this because we have NO MEDIA.

[Lars39]

19. A removable bumper sticker won't cut it in towns that

are small. Not when everybody knows everybody else. And not everyone can afford to move to greener pastures.

[saracat]

34. Very true. But you must go out of town sometimes. And

then you could use it. It is very sad that you must live in a town where they would hate you. Afford ability is a problem. I am praying we don't have to move out of the country as I won't stay in a country run by Bush. We would probably have to take a big loss.

[Lars39]

38. Better move now while you can get the most for $.

Although not everyone is going to be in a position to do so.

[saracat]

39. Exactly the problem my friend!

And I am hoping not to have to move. The prospect is horrible to contemplate! We can win this!

[Gregorian]

13. I've always been that way. I keep my beliefs to myself.

I don't put on bumper stickers. I don't put up yard signs. And I don't preach religion. I do, however, wonder sometimes if it's my responsibility to educate the world. But right now, I'm letting people make their own decisions and opinions. I suppose it comes from always having been in liberal territory. Until three years ago, I never felt like a fish out of water. Noone needed to prove who they were. We were all Democrats. Suddenly I live in a conservative neighborhood. My goal is to get the hell out as fast as I can.

[Rabelais]

15. yes you are the only one

get over it.

[saracat]

17. Guess I must be the "only one"

that knows anything about the psychology of campaigning.That is not a good thing. I won't "get over it" I will learn from the experience.This is one way races are lost.

[July]

20. We all make choices.

Giving money helps the campaign, too. For a variety of reasons, some people don't want to use signs and stickers. And the signs and stickers are just a part of getting the message out. I just don't see how not using them loses a race.

[saracat]

25. When we don't have any media coverage,

and we don't, in case you hadn't noticed. We have to rely on bumper stickers and signs to let people know there is Kerry support. According to the media, we don't exist. The more they repeat this the fewer we will be. People get downhearted and this suppresses the vote. Even in a traditional campaign it is acknowledged that the candidate with the most and biggest signs wins as they are perceived as winners!

[July]

29. I had noticed.

But I have the impression that Kerry's message is getting out, anyway. That's why voter registration is up, that's why Kerry's drawing huge crowds. The books critical of Bush, as well as the 9/11 Commission Report, are selling well. There's a hunger out there for change, and people are seeking what the media doesn't give them. Signs and stickers are good, but they're not the whole campaign.

The media has been pulling crap on our side since Clinton was president. But ignoring us isn't working anymore.

If you want to use signs, great. Pass them around to others who want them. As my earlier post said, we all make choices, and I think just about everyone here at DU wants to help the campaign in some way. Getting out the vote, giving money, making phone calls, writing letters, using signs and bumper stickers -- it's all good. But we're not all going to do the same things.

[sandnsea]

99. It pisses me off too

I think most of these people are using vandalism as an excuse. They're chickenshit to express a political view because it's not the cool thing to do, that's all. Every place in the country is 40% Democratic, there's no excuse for not stepping out and giving the other people in your town the courage to do the same. Then, the sheeple who want to "vote for the winner" get on board too. It's how you turn the tide. If they're really more worried about a scratch on their car then a kid dying in Iraq, they're no Democrat I'd want to know anyway.

[ForrestGump]

122. Get real

"If they're really more worried about a scratch on their car then a kid dying in Iraq, they're no Democrat I'd want to know anyway."

Like the two even equate. And there're starving kids in Liverpool, so eat up your lima beans.

Laying guilt trips on people tend to work better when they're based in reality.

[Catherine Vincent]

21. I have my yard sign up because where I live, it is safe to do so.

Although I am the only one in my subdivision that has one (that I have seen), I am betting my neighborhood is 70/30 Kerry. I also have my Kerry/Edwards sticker on my car (and no W) but I have to tell you when I am driving around conservtive areas here in Houston and on the freeway, I do feel uneasy at times knowing that there may be some conservative out there ready to run me off the road. I understand those that don't want the stickers on their car or signs in their yards. As long as they vote for Kerry, that is all that matters.

[NanBo]

23. so you're disgusted.

Are you so disgusted with us that you're practically comparing us to Nazi sympathizers? You don't think that's a bit over the top?
How much money have you donated? Suppose I suggest that I'm disgusted with people who haven't gone into debt to support all the important Dem races this election? Suppose I suggest that if you haven't quit your job yet to work full time on this campaign, then you obviously don't really care about the future of our children.

What I EXPECT is that everyone here votes for Kerry this election. I would like them to influence others as well--but in whatever way and method they see fit. If you find that disgusting, Sorry. I also believe it's best to fight the enemy on the other side instead of insulting your own camp.

[saracat]

24. I am disgusted! I would like to light a fire under the butts of

people who crawl off and hide their convictions. There is power in numbers and we need to show that strength. This election is different and we need to do a hell of a lot more than vote.
And guess what? I have quit my job, and I did go into debt for this campaign. And as for the Nazi sympathizer comparison,( and it wasn't sympathizer, it was those who are silent)if the shoe fits.....
And as far as insulting ourselves, I am far more insulted by dems who refuse to stand up for what they believe than the other side attacking us. The other side is supposed to attack. We are not supposed to hide our beliefs and hope they don't notice so we don't get hurt!

[Missy Vixen]

49. Sometimes, it's not an option

>We are not supposed to hide our beliefs and hope they don't notice so we don't get hurt!<

Here are the facts about the area we live in. We are in one of the more conservative areas of our state. As a matter of fact, we are the only Democrats in a 40-home housing development. Our neighbors know our political stance, and one of them threatened us shortly after September 11th. We had to get the police involved. Fortunately for us, this particular neighbor moved out of state shortly after his encounter with the local police.

Two members of our local police force were the organizers of massive Republican sponsored pro-war demonstrations in our small town. To say that we were afraid for our safety (again,) would be an understatement.

I own a store in town. For me to put any political bumper sticker on my car at this point, magnetized or not, would be financial suicide, not to mention the fact that it would compromise my safety. The shop owner across the hall from me is a white supremacist. His shop is visited daily by F*eekers and worse.

"Move," you say? The median home price in this area of the country is $350,000 and climbing. My husband, knock on wood and thank God, has a good and steady job. To sit back and tell those who prefer to not have their cars keyed, their homes vandalized or their families threatened due to their political beliefs that they are chicken or liken them to "Nazi sympathizers" is uncalled for.

Julie
whose Kerry/Edwards sign is in a window inside our home; it would be defaced or stolen within an hour on our front lawn

[saracat]

51. Julie , at least you put the sign in your window!

That shows courage. The arguments you cite, however sympathetic I may be towards them, are the ones the silent Germans used! And I do think that is where this country is headed if we don't stop it! I am in the same position you are in many ways . And I hate the fear that causes people to conceal what they believe. This just sucks. I am sorry you feel so oppressed. This is not America!

[Ravenseye]

78. I see no need for a sticker or sign...

I'd put one up in a second but I haven't had time to go out and get one. I've done my part. I've volunteered, something I've never done before for politics. I've donated the max I could.

I live in a highly democractic area though. The telephone polls have no W signs on them. 3 out of 4 cars here have either kerry or anti-bush stickers. From my house alone, I can walk outside and see 6 kerry signs, no bush signs anywhere. There's even a float on my street. No shit. Someone put out a big anti-bush pro-kerry float, about 12 feet tall, on a towed rig.

Call me crazy but I don't think putting a lawn sign out is going to do any difference. EVERYONE I know and meet here randomly is pro-kerry or anti-bush. I work from home, we drive the car to the grocery store and thats about it. The store is still in the same ultra dem area.

What do I have to prove?

Still, I'd like a sign. Where can I get one? :)

[gpandas]

27. all these signs are...

a blight on the landscape. ah, yes, i remember well the yard sign that made my mind up for me.

[saracat]

30. But we don't need to convince you!

[ForrestGump]

123. But isn't an undecided voter, at this point, pretty much a synonym for

'moron'? And we know who gets the moron vote, thanks to our friendly neighborhood media.

[donheld]

28. Walk a mile in their shoes

It would be real nice if we lived in a country where it wasn't so dangerous to put diverse oppinions out on our lawns. But some places it's not safe at all. It's real easy for me in here to be out and proud about being GAY. it's even easy to do it in the neighborhood i live in. Ask Matthew Shephard about being out and proud in his neighborhood....oh that's right you can't, he was killed because he tried that. Sadly in some parts of the country it's just about as dangerous to be a Kerry supporter or not a bush lover.:shrug:

[saracat]

32. This is very true, but if everyone had thought that way

during the Civil Rights movement, we would still have separate drinking fountains, and Rosa Parks would have gone to the back of the bus. I don't claim to be brave, but I really am dismayed at what has happened to our country that so many live in fear, and no one seems to make a stand. An little woman like Rosa Parks was able to take a stand against people who didn't even think she was human, and we seem to be wimping out. Matthew Shepard is dead, but what about the others who came before him? What about the Stonewall Dems? Gays used to have courage too. And many still do. Your post is a reflection of what is wrong with us. We are all afraid. And for the record. I live in a Republican neighborhood too, but I have seen signs of change so I am not afraid as I walk my precinct. I have been threatened by a gun once in my district but I just left.

[donheld]

70. True, however

i think one needs to use their best judgement. Sure some are cowards but many are not. I think it's too bad won't put a sticker on their car cuz it's "tacky." What's more tacky a sticker on their car or Bushies adminitration. But if someone lives in a very conservative area where it could be actually dangerous it makes you think twice.

[Qanisqineq]

33. I would LOVE to put up Kerry/Edwards signs in my yard

or in my windows but I live on an army base. The only thing I have is a bumper sticker (Redefeat Bush) that I stuck to the fridge with a magnet.

:mad:

[saracat]

35. Hooray Tolania! Another exception to the rule!

God bless you Tolania! And Hooray for your magnet!

[maveric]

37. I'm afraid of being evicted! I could care lss about how RWers see me.

My landlord is republibot businessman who HATES anything democratic or pertaining to the New Deal. He would evict me if I had a poster or sticker for Kerry/Edwards.
You see, San Diego county is a "no cause eviction", region. Which means that landlord can just evict you for no good reason. He's been trying to drive me out to get new tenants at a higher rent. Its been done here before.

[Texasgal]

41. I don't think that bickering over

bumper stickers or lawn signs is gonna get Kerry elected. Focus those wonderful engeries elsewhere!

Note*
I have a K/E sign proudly displyed in my front yard, however, we must respect the Kerry supporters who don't.

[Ilsa]

40. I also know people in business who won't wear their politics

on their sleeves or their bumpers. Some of us don't need to lose 40% of our business because someone with a different political view won't do business with us after finding out they are Dems (or Rethugs).

Yes, I also don't want my car keyed. I also don't want to be tailed for one hundred miles down the highway by the state highway patrol because they don't like my politics and they are looking for a single, simple mistake to pull me over.

Sorry, Saracat, but people need to do what works with their lives, not what works for yours. :-)

[saracat]

44. See post 32.

[ironflange]

42. I never use lawn signs or stickers

It's supposed to be a secret ballot, and I just plain don't want to tell everyone passing by who I'm voting for. Fear has nothing to do with it, it's about privacy.

[Redleg]

43. That's pretty harsh. How is having a Kerry-Edwards sticker

going to keep these "Nazi" republicans at bay? (You suggested the situation is like Nazi Germany).

[saracat]

45. It is . That is what the suppression

of your belefs as a reaction to fear is! Again we have NO MEDIA to support us. Kerry democrats appear to be alone. It is disheartening and causes discouragement. Signs and bumper stickers not only build morale but let the world know that we are not alone and that there is strength in numbers! l

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

47. Actually that is one reason that I DID put on a bumper sticker..

..I was tired of seeing all these Bush/Cheney or "W04" stickers around, so I got one for my car just to show its not unanimous.

[Redleg]

55. Yeah- it buys a sense of solidarity for about two minutes.

I agree that people should want to express their political views and candidates but if they feel their safety or property are at risk, I can understand why they choose not too. By the way- I ordered a dozen Kerry-Edwards bumperstickers yesterday.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

46. I'm afraid, and feel uncomfortable with my Kerry-Edwards sticker.

I work in a very right-wing place where pro-Bush sentiment is virtually unanimous....Out of the over 100 people in my office there are only two who dont like Bush, and only one, me, who has a Kerry/Edwards sticker.

Fortunatly I have not been confronted with it, and I usually shut up or walk away when people talk politics so as to avoid any confrontations.

I kind of regret putting the sticker on the car (was sort of forced to by my partner), but Im stuck with it now.

[saracat]

48. Buck up and Thank You.

You are standing up against intimidation! Think of all the Kerry voters you have encouraged and made smile by your sticker. My favorite was a marine who came over and saluted!

[Name removed]

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[Redleg]

54. Grow up? Who made you the parent?

If people have legitimate reasons to believe their lives or their property will be harmed if they post a sign then they shouldn't post a sign. I'm not worried about being personally threatened- I can take care of myself. I am concerned that my wife and 13-month old daughter won't be able to defend themselves physically.

[toddaa]

52. Am I the only one who doesn't see the point in...

putting up a sign or a bumper sticker? What value does the bumper sticker or yard sign have? Am I supposed to be believe that undecideds are going to suddenly make up their minds because they see a K/E bumper sticker on the back of my car? How many people "find Jesus" because of a "Wise Men Still Seek Him" bumper sticker?

As a rule, I generally avoid announcing to complete strangers anything about my personal beliefs. Not because I'm afraid, but because I don't think it's really anyone's damn business who I vote for, worship, or root for during the Super Bowl.

[Nadienne]

58. No, you're not the only one.

Besides, are we trying to win an election or win a popularity contest?

[LincolnMcGrath]

53. The Leader @ the Local Kerry Headquarters says

"Yard signs don't win national elections"

[saracat]

56. Kerry local HQ's are staffed by Twentysomethings who

have never worked on a campaign. BTW, Ed Rendell blames the twentysomething decision makers for costing us election 2000 because they were the ones who made the decision (really!) to not use Clinton. They had to do a study on his "effectiveness' and of course, it was never completed ! Believe them at your own risk.

[LincolnMcGrath]

66. Word came down from the top.

Let the County's (ie Me) handle sign requests, delivery and placement.

I was shocked when I heard the statement myself. Maybe there is some truth to it, but it would seem to me if every other house had a K/E sign then the wishy washy among us might feel pressured or swayed to vote K/E because it seems the thing to do?

[saracat]

68. Letting us handle it is one thing.

Saying they don't help is another. BTW some of the dumb twentysomethings are "at the top". Those are the ones Rendell is complaining about. I managed a congressional race two years ago and after repeated assurances fron the Twinkies in DC, at the time, I still haven't got the info we desperately needed, and they had a staff to provide,And we lost. In no small part to the lack of effort of the DCCC.

[mad_hatter]

57. Enough with the magnetic stickers already.

My Republican neighbor has these magnetic stickers on all his vehicles. I only needed to see them once to know where he stands. You don't need a sticker or sign on your property to make a difference. I live in a red state and in a fucking glowing red county. I'm not going to risk property or health on a campaign sticker that's not going to make one bit of difference. If someone wants to talk politics, I'll let them know where I stand. If they want to debate the issues, I'll gladly stand toe to toe. If you don't live in a highly conservative area, then you just don't know what it's like. Most Republicans are cool about it. They won't agree, but that's where it ends. It's the neocons who, having deemed you un-American, will gladly damage property or person in the name of liberty.

[Fuzzy LaRue]

59. I actually asked my employees why they did not have a political

bumper sticker on thier cars. Encouraged them to get one. A couple are now sporting Bush stickers and guess what? I am just fine with it because I feel freedom of speech is absolute.

I have no Kerry signs or posters up at my places of business (no sense in alienating customers) but I do have a magnetic Kerry/Edwards sticker on my truck and decals on my sportbike and helmet.

The signs I do have up at my places of business are party neutral "Vote November 2nd" signs that I made myself. A democracy only works when everyone participates. The thing is to try to get them to participate on your side.

[mitchum]

60. My wife will taunt young men who are driving pro-bush vehicles...

with the question, "Are you going to enlist? Seems like the best way to show your support"
Their answer is invariably no.
Her retort is invariably, "Well, you're just a gutless pussyboy, aren't you?"
One of the many reasons I love her so :)

[liberalhistorian]

61. I don't have that problem in my neighborhood,

since there's a real mix of Kerry and Shrub signs. And there's a real mix in my work parking lot, too, "Veterans for Kerry" bumper stickers next to "It was just a scratch" bumper stickers. But the repukes WANT us to be scared, they WANT us to be afraid to speak our minds, so it's important not to give them what they want.

[ComerPerro]

62. My car gets plenty of abuse anyway

I don't think I need FReepers keying it.

Its not that I am afraid of my right wing neightbors hating me. I am afraid that fascist assholes will vandalize my car.

[Demonaut]

63. anyone know where I can get a "Veterans for Kerry" sticker? In Denver

[rppper]

140. a co-worker gave me mine...but i am far, far from denver....

it sits at the top of my rear window, above an american flag decal and a submarine veterans sticker. i really think this confuses them. someone else mentioned the disgusted motorists behind them...i have found that to be pretty accurate as well....older men, plaid shirts, huge pick-ups or excursions or the stepford wife in the mini-vans with those wonderful "choose life" tags the state of florida provides next to the w04 decal. i have found the wives to be bolder than the men...such christian values...tail-gating and flipping me off....they are all hypocrites.

i am lucky to live here though...daytona beach and volusia county in general have'nt went red for many, many decades. i see about a 2-1 ratio in kerry stickers vrs w04 stickers. i am not a small man either...that helps...those brave republican bullies are less likely to confront a 6-2, heavily tattooed bald biker type, and i am not afraid to shout them down either.

mad hound...you keep up the good fight friend...i grew up in rural NE texas...i know what those chicken-shit rednecks are capable of. you are doing the right thing. good luck and stay safe.......

[liontamer]

64. I hadn't heard of that

but i can see it happening in some areas. If you're afraid that you have neighbors who will attack you or your children, and you can't afford to move, I can see keeping your beliefs to yourself. As long as these people vote, I don't think they should be judged too harshly.

Plenty of people who didn't speak out against the Nazi party still hid people or helped to smuggle them out of the country. People do what they can.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

67. Okay, I can understand if you feel personally endangered or

if you feel that business people shouldn't advertise their politics, but

...you're afraid of getting your car keyed? :wtf:

It's just a car, just a piece of machinery, not your skin or bones, and the wheels will still go around if the outside is damaged.

Now if your ego is so wrapped up in your car that you're one of those people who goes ballistic if a bird poops on it, then you've got bigger problems than timidity about your political beliefs.

[deadparrot]

71. I don't care what people think of me...

it's just that I don't want to pay several hundred (or thousand) dollars to fix a car that has been damaged by a freep. Plus, bumper stickers don't change minds. They bring about a smile, a wave, or a chuckle for those in agreement, and only stir up anger and promote property damage among those who are not. It's a pretty big gamble, especially for those of us in heavy red areas.

[LoZoccolo]

73. Buy the ticket, take the ride.

Basically when shit was getting really bad towards the beginning of the war, I was finally like you know I've gotta take a stand now or I might never get to again.

[donheld]

74. Save your energy

most of us are fighting the right wingers the best we can so why attack each others methods. We need to save our fighting for the real enemy and not each other

[neebob]

75. I don't feel I'm hiding my convictions

by not having a sign or a sticker. That's what's great about America: You don't HAVE to have one. It's irrational to suggest that not having one is going to cause Bush to win the election.

[donheld]

76. Save your energy

most of us are fighting the right wingers the best we can so why attack each others methods. We need to save our fighting for the real enemy and not each other. I have bumper stickers, tee-shirts, buttons, and window signs. I'm the only one of my progressive friends who does that. Sometimes it bothers me that i'm the only one who does that sort of thing, and i even hear that i'm "radical" from some of them. i've even been called a hippie, i'm a bit young for that. :hippie: But hey, i do what i feel is right and hopefully they are doing what they feel is right. :grouphug:

[jbm]

77. what do you risk?

I have a small business and I don't post signs or bumper stickers, but I did join the small group of protestors when Bush came to town a few weeks ago. The next day one of my customers 'explained ' to me that he despised the people who would insult Bush and I had lost a customer. If I was well off or even vaguely 'comfortable' I'd say no biggie, but I absolutely can't afford to lose customers. Losing 20% of my customer base doesn't mean I put off buying a new car or something..it means the bank takes my house and I am totally bankrupt.

It's incredibly easy to be 'brave and noble' when you risk nothing. It's kind of like waving the flag and singing "God Bless America" and thinking that makes you a patriot.

[IdaBriggs]

81. FYI -- Civil Rights movement used that exact same tactic.

Minorities (by definition) are only a "small" percentage of potential business, but sometimes that "small percentage" is the difference between "profitable" and "not profitable" -- and in your case, sounds like the freeper won.

You are afraid to lose your income by endangering your customer base as you exercise your freedom of speech, so you are being influenced to "shut up already and don't insult the Evil One" -- saracat's point is perfectly demonstrated by your behavior.

Being a Patriot Sucks. :(

[Cleita]

83. Sometimes running a family business means

you don't air your politics and keep to business if you know what I mean. I really don't know where you are coming from. Waving banners are all right, but right now I turn away from any store that proudly displays the stars and stripes because I know there be freepers about.

[Cleita]

80. Be as disgusted as you like.

I don't put up signs because I'd rather not in my puke neighborhood. I do other things like precinct walk with my buttons and brochures and signs. I have been treated rudely by Republicans, but I ignore them. Some have actually been nice and offered me a drink on a hot day although they said they would vote for Bush. We all walk our own path.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

84. Here's my recommendation to you...

...relocate to a state in the Deep South, preferably Mississippi, Alabama, or Georgia. After you settle your family into the area and get your kids in school, then set up your business and start developing a customer base.

Once you've done all of that, I want to see you ride around the area on your High Horse plastered with stickers of the candidates you support. I'd buy tickets to see that in Alabama...it might be real entertaining as long as it would last.

You don't like the way some of us are acting publicly? Tough shit. We have to live here, and you obviously don't.

[saracat]

85. Isn't this a personal attack?

And what would this accomplish? Teach me a lesson? I guess you are intimating that Alabama isn't part of the US. You are implying it isn't a democracy and certainly isn't guided by the same laws and justice as the rest of the nation.Are you suggesting that they secede again? Or do you think that they should have a one party system?

[donheld]

87. What it would do is

allow you to walk in their shoes. BTW what part of the Country are you in?

[saracat]

88. After that lovely missle of joy ,why would anyone tell you?

Where are you?

[donheld]

118. i'm in Denver

on capitol hill

[Lerkfish]

102. well, I would characterize your first post as a personal attack...

you said you were disgusted by people you label as cowards because of a bumper sticker.

If you called me a coward to my face for not adhereing to your arbitrary litmus test of loyalty, I'd take it personally.

enough of this passive aggressive crap. You started this thread with a chip on your shoulder. Don't be surprised if people knock it off, and don't whine when they do.

[saracat]

114. My post was generic.

The reponse from the poster inquestion was specifically directed.

[Lerkfish]

124. LOL....passive aggressive crapola.

making it generic is somehow less incendiary?

Ok, I'll say that all DU'ers who criticize other Du'ers are so genetically inferior they don't have two chromosomes to rub together.
Ok, I'll say that all DU'ers who criticize other Du'ers should shove their heads up their arse, except that it would be redundant.
Ok, I'll say that all DU'ers who criticize other Du'ers are sleeping with their own parents.

gee, as long as I'm generic, I'm not attacking anyone.

(/sarcasm)

[ForrestGump]

125. Oh, and blanket-labeling those who choose not to advertise their

political leanings 'cowards' that you'd like to 'light a fire under' isn't an attack?

I certainly don't take kindly to being called a coward, because I know that I am not...and tendency to sport bumperstickers or not is no indication of cowardice. In fact, it'd be more cowardly of people like me to bow to your vision of American guts and slap a bumper sticker on our rides. It'd be more cowardly to conform, to play the game, because we're shamed into it.

Try to light a fire under me and I'll break your igniter.

[REP]

86. I Get Disgusted By Real Issues, Not This Two-Bit Bullshit

A bumpersticker or a yard sign never changed anyone's vote.

I won't deface my vehicle just to make you feel better. Yes, it's "just property" - MY property and I'll keep it the way I prefer to keep it, thank you.

While you're sticker patrol, I'll continue doing useless things like registering voters and telling people why I think they should vote Democratic this year. Not as good as sticking something on my bumper, I know.

[Name removed]

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[saracat]

90. Of course it is wrong to damage vehicles.

Who would disagree with that? But to be afraid of displaying your support of our candidate in the most important election in our history is terrible. I am ashamed that so many Americans feel that their automobiles are more important than the freedoms that people died for. No one has a right to trash your car. You should be able to display your candidates bumper sticker with pride.( though in the case of the Bush people,they have nothing to be proud of)
The media is not covering our existence.We should announce our numbers with prideby buttons Bumper stickers lawn signs and whatever we can do to advertise ourselves. We must win this election and to do so we must let people know we are here, and that we are voting! If we lose this election, there will be no country left. People will not have to worry about jobs or cars.This is life and death. It is that simple.

[Envisioned]

92. hrm....

I think that people should be proud to voice their opinions regardless of who they support. Bush, Kerry, Nader, whatever. If you're going to say something, say it with conviction, right?

But then, I'd rather have my voice heard by the way I vote, rather than by inviting people to cause thousands of dollars of damage to my car. Who's going to pay to fix it? Naw, I'll pass on having any political stickers on my car. My vote will be my statement.

[Tsiyu]

107. Well, I'm not a wimp and never will be

and I am sorry for those who don't realize the fight is already in these people. If redneck freaks are going to attack you, they'll find other reasons to do so.

I've seen evil. But it can't shut me up. I proudly & defiantly defend my beliefs. If I am not willing to die for them, or to suffer for them, then they are not worth having.

There are trolls in my neck of the woods, too. And they could come pop me in the night. But they could die trying, too. So I act on faith and state my case loudly and if anyone thinks they can terrify me more than I've already been terrified in this life by cruel, sociopathic humans, I guess they're welcome to try.

Plus we drive around with a camera!

[saracat]

111. God bless you. What a wonderful idea!

[ForrestGump]

128. There you go again

"If they're really more worried about a scratch on their car then a kid dying in Iraq, they're no Democrat I'd want to know anyway."

Kind of a stretch, isn't it?

I see your point, in principle, but it's obscured by the fact that you're really reaching, substituting handy 'talking points' -- that hit hot guilt buttons -- for actual reason.

You're saying that DUers who don't adorn their cars with Kerry-Edwards stickers do not care about the death of a person. I somehow doubt your credibility here.

[saracat]

91. And I suspect that you may be more concerned with B/C

bumper stickers than is warranted?

[Envisioned]

93. something to consider

Is that it's happening to people all over the place, regardless of which candidate their bumper stickers support. I've tried to be clear when discussing it, because it IS an issue to supporters of both candidates.

[PA Democrat]

94. Yes, Envisioned is very concerned about people with Bush Cheney stickers

on their cars. He said, "I've heard of too many cases of people damaging cars with Bush-Cheney stickers on them, and that pisses me off. I refuse to be a part of the game that some people are playing.
If anyone were to smash up my car because I had a bush-cheney sticker, or ANY sticker for that matter, they'd better hope I wasn't walking up to the car at that time."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2427023&mesg_id=2430711&page=

I've had several yard signs stolen, as have several of my neighbors- they were ALL Kerry signs. None of my neighbors with Bush signs have experienced any theft or vandalism. I know 2 people who have had their cars vandalized because of their Kerry stickers. None of my Republican neighbors or friends sporting Bush Cheney stickers have had that happen to their cars, and believe me I would HEAR about it if it happened.

I along with every Democrat/ progressive I know would never vandalize someone else's property.

[ProfessorGAC]

95. Excuse Me?

There is not one person in my town (of the 75% who know me) who does not know where i stand. I don't need a sign in my yard!

My neighbors know, everyone knows that my friends and i are ALL liberals and anti-Bush, and since we're the most educated bunch in town (except for a couple of doctors) nobody wants to engage us in debate. But, they know where we stand.

A sign in my yard is superfluous. I fear nothing about expressing my views. I just don't need a sign or bumper sticker to do it for me.
The Professor

[OutInTheBack40]

96. they will have no houses or jobs if Dubya is elected

Could you expand on this a bit? I have not heard this threat from a Kerry loss. What percentage of Americans will lose their houses and jobs or did you mean ALL Americans will be homeless and unemployed? If this is true then perhaps Kerry should start using this fear in his campaign.

[saracat]

98. Have you not been paying attention?

We will no longer have a democracy if Dubya is elected. we will expand the Patriot Act if possible. And he has already appointed a head of women's reproductive health the believes in biblical birth control1 We know what king of Supreme Court we will get and it could last generations! We will lose more jobs to outsourcing, as it is wonderful for corporate America. No jobs, no money, no houses. Simple eh?
We already have the beginnings of this.We have already had a selection instead of an election and a PResident who took us to war based on a lie. He also betrayed the identity of two CIA operatives, which is a treasonous offense. But it wasn't him, just his people. Too bad.The entire intelligence unit placed in jeopardy for spite. But who cares. We don't listen to them anyway. They said invading Iraq wasn't a good idea! Valerie Plame and the double operative in Pakistan that Britain is so po'ed about. Who cares about homeland security? We can always use another excuse to go to war. And don't lets forget pharmaceutical drugs, Americans must pay more because we already pay for the R and D . Makes sense to me. Medicare must go up and lets privatize Social Security. The Stock Market has done so well. I lost my shirt. And lest we forget, the price of gas, and everything associated with gas going up. No jobs , higher prices but not to worry tax cuts you can't claim since you didn't make any money.But good news, If you make one million a year, you will pay almost nothing! Yay! Thats an incentive to earn more.

[ForrestGump]

129. Then why don't you follow your own advice, if this worst-case plays out,

and simply leave? You make it sound so easy, after all.

[saracat]

139. If it does I will .And so will a great many people.

And it won't be easy.

[Z_I_Peevey]

97. I'm a rural person with no car,

so I have to bum my rides to town. For the last month or so, I've made it a point to display some sort of Kerry/Edwards message whenever I'm in public. I wear my K/E T-shirt, I put buttons on my hatband and my shirt, and I display bumper stickers on my purse. And I'm always careful to carry the purse sticker-side-out. Geez, I even taped my Fahrenheit 911 movie ticket stub to the outside of my change purse, so every grocery clerk I pay can see it.

So far, I've gotten into one loud argument in the bleachers at a football game (my closing line was 'anybody who isn't for free speech can kiss my big white American a**); one quiet argument with a freeper dad at an academic team competition (he's a hopeless brainwashed dimwit); one 30-minute halftime discussion with a dad whom I enlightened about the 2005 draft plans (who may now be wavering in his support for Chimpy); and there have been as many eye rolls and dirty looks as there have been smiles and thumbs-up. I'm not afraid; if I get attacked, I'll go down swingin'.

I have no idea whether I've made a difference, but I think it's important to be as visible as possible, in any way possible.

[saracat]

100. Thank you. You are a wonderful advocate for our side. You are an example

of what we all could be. Thank you.

[LWolf]

101. No. You're not the only one, but I'm not one of them.

I'm not disgusted by that at all; I generally respect people's privacy and right to make their own choices.

There are things that concern me, and things that I think we need to change. But people don't "disgust" me.

Some of the things that concern me include:

People who participate in the spread of fear or hatred.
People who participate in bullying of any kind.
People who don't value intellectual habits.
People who don't value ethical conduct.
People who avoid addressing their own issues by tearing down others.

[southern_librul]

103. Well....

I have a Ralph Nader bumpersticker on my car. It's a '67 Corvair convertible.

Most repugs are probably too stupid to get the joke. I do occasionally get some very confused looks, though.

[Forkboy]

104. Quite possibly the dumbest post we'll see all week

They are like the noncommittal Germans who tried to save heir own hides with silence during WW11!

Good fucking grief :eyes:

[saracat]

112. Not a chance. This post is!

[Forkboy]

113. Sorry,mine's not even in the same league of stupidity that yours was

[saracat]

115. See post 99 .The poster says it better than I do. For a

stupid post a lot of people seem to want to talk about the issue. I guess you feel that makes most of them , including yourself"stupid"?

[Forkboy]

117. Talking about something stupid doesn't make one stupid

What a stupid idea.

[ForrestGump]

130. This is the kind of logic that sracat's being deploying here, though

It gives me a headache. But I can't stop picking at it. Like a scab. Or perhaps like a Bush-Cheney sticker on an '04 Hummer H2.

[Lerkfish]

135. flame

flamebaiter

flamedy-flamety-falm flam flam

hahedhrferekrer-cough ----

sorry, furball.

[fishnfla]

105. I think you are overreaching

The sun will come up Nov. 5th same as always, and in 4 years there will be another 'end-of-the-world election'by your reasoning

and we'll have the same neighbors and coworkers too, who appreciate it when we mind our own damned business

christ, first the right wing is gonna stick their nose in our bedrooms and shove the new testament down our throats

now the left wing wants us to stick our politics in everyone's face and wave a bloody shirt

n'ah

[saracat]

110. Ah ! The perfect example of the attitude that hurts us the most!

La! la! La! la! Why Democrats don't win. In case you haven't noticed ,those people who" shoved the New Testament down your throat" now control the WH and both houses of Congress ! But hey, we haven't discommoded our neighbors and coworkers!
Damn right I'll wave a bloody shirt. The only thing I regret is that we didn't rise up during election 2000!

[Lerkfish]

127. welcome to my ignore list.

buh-bye!

[ForrestGump]

133. Ah! Nazi! Nazi! Nazi!

So you're saying that you're refusing to display a bloody shirt in your front yard? That you'd rather innocent CIA operatives get gonnorhoea than stop watching "The Bachelor"? Ha! I knew it!

Always though you were French-looking.

(please excuse me...I borrowed saracat's logical powers for this post)

[Nadienne]

106. Are you only disgusted by those who are afraid

to put up Kerry/Edwards signs?

Or are you saying that those who don't put up Kerry/Edwards signs are afraid?

[Lerkfish]

126. sarcat is saying that since he/she suffers no ill consequences personally.

that it gives him/her permission to call out others as cowards who would suffer negative consequences.

I happen to have a sign in my yard, but I know people who have been threatened to be fired if they do the same. I know people who have had their car and home vandalized.

Honestly, if this is the highest priority litmus sarcat has, then sarcat's triage of priorities does not intersect with mine

[Name removed]

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[baby_mouse]

108. Hm.

Well.

mph.

This is my first post on this board and I don't know if i'm being unreasonable, but...

I think really their votes are more important than bumper stickers. I would kind of think of a bumper sticker as an advertisement rather than as a tribal marker, and it's not as if people don't know who's running already. Also, there's no point in advertising your political belief system in an area where you won't pick up any punters, if you get my drift.

It's true, of course, that the more stickers and signs there are, the more likely the non-voting types will get up and vote. Peer permission rather then peer pressure, I guess.

Not sure about this one.

anyway.

hello everybody

:hi:

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

116. I don't put up signs or bumper stickers

Because I have neither a car nor a yard. But I occasionally yell anti-Bush slogans whilst sitting at the bar.

[Sabriel]

119. We posted no signs...

..but we sent in as much money to the DNC and to local campaigns as we could afford this year. So, not all who support do it in a visible way.

[ForrestGump]

120. If I had a car,

I wouldn't put the stickers on it. For one, I don't like bumper stickers on my cars. In 2000 I drove around with stickers and signs affixed to the inside of my rear and rear-side windows, avoiding the adhesion while still making my point.

Also, I just would not take kindly to some SOB keying or otherwise messing with my car. I'm very fussy about keeping such things in pristine condition, as best I can (partly economic concern and partly just innate care, and anyone who thinks that's wrong can go f*** themselves), and have always taken great care to park far away from stores, out in the wopwops, to avoid the self-centered scum who'd blithely smack doors and carts into my car's flanks. I couldn't afford to fix it -- check out how much it can cost to fix even the most modest mofo-applied blemish -- and I just wouldn't like it...I'd severely injure the perp if I caught them doing it.

I'd rather wear a placard on my back, or a T-shirt, because those fools are (a) too cowardly to mess with a person to their face, even French-aligned liebrul commies, and (b) I can take care of myself a lot better than I could take care of my parked car.

[Wind Dancer]

131. Many people are doing things

they feel comfortable with so don't attack those who choose not to put a yardsign or bumpersticker on their car.

I think getting new voters registered and putting up flyers with information is more beneficial to our cause. People need to know the facts so distributing info throughout the community is far more helpful to our cause. Writing LTTE, introducing brainwashed family members and friends with facts are ways to express your concern.

I do have a bumpersticker but my husband doesn't due to his work environment. He contributes far more by doing other things so don't judge people so harshly.

[Lerkfish]

134. was there some reason you needed to start two threads?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x920427

why two flamebait threads attacking other DU members? each thread is essentially the same, just reworded slightly.

Just chill out and move on with your life. If you put up stickers and signs, great!
If you don't or can't for various reasons, great!
Just make sure you vote the shrub out of office.

[saracat]

138. I can't answer you. I am on Ignore! Grin!

[Moderator]

141. I'm locking this thread

It has dissolved into nothing but attacks