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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:52 PM
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Free Market supporters, explain to me this ...
I worked in India last year on a theme park construction project. We couldn't import any equipment or materials because of a 67% import tax.

So, how is it a "level playing field."

India has an exploding one billion plus population desperate for work.
India has no credible pollution controls.
India has no credible health or worker's rights protection.

Isn't a "globalization" really about forcing workers and governments to accept the lowest standards as a way of maximizing profits?

Just like to know.:shrug:

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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:55 PM
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1. pretty much nailed it

Corporate parasites have steered it that way for a long time. they are really seeing their plans come to fruition now.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:56 PM
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2. It is not a level playing field as yet
It will be.

That's what globalization does in the end, although there are certainly dislocations and problems along the way.

You are discussing 'corporatization'....a different, and outdated, concept entirely.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:05 PM
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4. Wrong
World Faces Population Explosion

By John Vidal

18 August, 2004
The Guardian

The world is heading for wildly uneven population swings in the next 45 years, with many rich countries "downsizing" during a period in which almost all developing nations will grow at breakneck speed, according to a comprehensive report by leading US demographers released yesterday.

They predict that at least an extra 1,000 million will be living in the world's poorest African countries by 2050. There will be an extra 120 million more Americans, and India will leapfrog China to become the world's most populous country. One in six people in western Europe will be over the age of 65 by 2050.
More ...
http://www.countercurrents.org/en-vidal180804.htm

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:12 PM
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7. I'm sorry but that is hokum
UN figures are much more reliable.

And have nothing to do with globalization in any case.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:13 PM
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8. Bingo
That is what globalization is all about. The developing countries, thanks largely to birth control and women's rights, are heading for labor shortages, which means rising wages while in countries that don't respect human rights, large families are needed to escape poverty, thus having an abundance of labor.

Globalization is about world-wide corporate monopoly using child labor.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:15 PM
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12. Again you have confused
globalization with corporatization...and corporatization is the outdated bastard child of socialism.

You are in the wrong century.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:17 PM
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14. I'm in the wrong century?
You seem to be stuck in the 15th century. The vast majority of multinationals are owned by Americans. Americans searching for cheap labor.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:19 PM
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15. Yes, you are
This is the 21st century...socialism is long dead.

And no, the Americans don't own all the multinationals.

And you now have the choice of cheap labor, or automation.

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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:22 PM
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16. Ah you admit it.
Edited on Thu Oct-07-04 11:25 PM by camero
It's capitalist serfdom or death. Never. A pig by another name is still a pig. The choice between cheap labor and automation will lead to democratic socialism. It won't be a pretty sight getting there either.

edit: Oh, and vast majority doesn't mean all. Learn to read. Like hell will we have the global tyranny you want. There are 6 billion of us.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:26 PM
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17. Rubbish
Capitalism is also dead...all you have left is the twitching entrails.

Technology is now leading the world...and you won't have any choice about old class wars, or socialism vs capitalism.

Or barnyard animals either.

New era. It requires new thinking.

The Cold War is over. Get used to it.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:30 PM
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18. Technology having no use thanks to peak oil
Which will also kill globalization. When that happens, we will either learn to share or die. The Conrad Blacks and Stephan Harpers will have a hard time of it unless they cooperate.
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BillZBubb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:06 PM
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5. Baloney!
There will never be a level playing field. That's a utopian fantasy. It's as silly as Libertarianism.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:13 PM
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9. Yes, there will be
Americans thought globalization meant Americanization.

It does not.

As you can see every day on the news.

We will have a level playing field, in spite of the US's best efforts to prevent it.
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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 10:56 PM
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3. india doesn't exactly subscribe to free market capitalism
they were one of the best example of ISI in the past several decades.
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joefree1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:09 PM
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6. LOL, but they sure believe in taking our jobs
While I was there I heard everyday in the Press how India was taking jobs from America. They were crowing about it. It seemed Bill Gates was in country once a month. And I was there for over a year.

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WMliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:13 PM
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10. well, they yoostabee ISI kool-aid drinkers
now they take our jobs on the cheap as a little sugar to make the kool-aid go further.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:16 PM
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13. Didn't bother you
when you were taking their jobs, and crowing about it.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-07-04 11:13 PM
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11. India has been a promoter of socialist import controls ,,,
for decades. Usually it is through rewstrictive licensing of imports, sometimes through tariffs. The last thing India has wanted is a level playing field.

India has adopted a more free market approach recently, but there is a lot of changes to be made in India before they become a free market country.
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