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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:35 AM
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What the next 4 years will mean:
1. Drilling in the Arctic Nat'l Wildlife Refuge (a Repub senator has already announced they now have the votes to get that passed, since they picked up seats).

2. Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

3. The religious right beliefs will start to permeate every facet of our lives, as the three conservative S. Ct. Justices start to inject their belief system into legal cases.

4. Gay marriage will be banned by constitutional amendment, and possibly civil unions, as well.

5. Deficit will continue to increase (a still even bigger chunk of my retirement funds will go to pay the increased taxes to pay off that deficit in the future)

6. The Soc. Sec. System, as we know it, will cease to exist.

7. More and more war and alienated foreign leaders, as Bush continues to browbeat more and more middle eastern countries, and continue to fail at diplomacy.

8. The environment (air, water, nature areas, trees) will continue to get worse and worse.

9. More jobs will be outsourced, since the Bush government actually wants to encourage that and sees it as a good thing.

10. More illegal aliens will be allowed in, since they are a cheap labor source.

11. Tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% will be made permanent.


This is so upsetting. I guess I will take my little tax cut and increased contribution limits to my retirement plans and hide in a cave for four years. I can't bear to watch.
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:55 AM
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1. I think I disagree about Roe v. Wade.
I think there will be some tinkering-type legislation around abortion, but I don't think they want to give away an issue that has been as useful to them as abortion. It doesn't do a thing for the moneyed classes, but it's very helpful for keeping the fundies blind and frothing.
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midnight armadillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:10 AM
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7. That's an excellent point
However, I think that once a large number of fundies realize their goal is within their reach that they'll push for it regardless.

That can't happen till the new Supreme Court justices are in place, in any case.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:31 AM
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10. I think you underestimate how anti-women the GOP is
nt
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:58 PM
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23. Really!! Women will be lucky if they can still vote!
I am still puzzling over Annie Coulter's women voting remark on Real Time last week.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:55 AM
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12. Roe v. Wade is toast. It is as good as gone no matter how much some
Repugs would like to keep it as a wedge issue. Their base demands that it be gone. The choice of an abortion is gone.
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:57 PM
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22. At some point they have to deliver
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 03:58 PM by davhill
they are deep in debt to the fundamentalists as it is.

(sorry for the unfortunate choice of words)
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 08:57 AM
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2. Oh, and the Patriot Act will be made permanent.
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MaryH Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:06 AM
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3. And the Whole Bush Administration will probably end up
in jail.

He has to live with his own mistakes now. Can't blame Clinton, can't blame Kerry.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:08 AM
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4. if Kerry concedes after the long battle to have every vote counted,
that will be true.

But our environment cannot stand four more years of the devil and his minions.
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:08 AM
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5. Thank you. I certainly hope so. n/t
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seaj11 Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:36 AM
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11. God, I hope so.
I'm so afraid right now, and disgusted with the half of America that went for Idiot.

:cry:
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:56 AM
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13. Who will put them in jail? They have uncontrolled power. (nt)
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:02 AM
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18. True. This is now a 1-party country.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 11:02 AM by TexasSissy
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:09 AM
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6. I can't bear to watch
Hey hey there..... you have NO IDEA what is going to transpire in the near future.... there are so many variables... heck, his presenile dementia could take full hold and Dick will have to step up... ouch.

Consider that you have nearly the whole world with you on this... consider that almost 50% of the country not only voted for JK, they also voted to get shrub OUT. They voted in ways not seen in decades with the lines, the rain, the obstacles...

Yes... truth be known, probably over 50% voted to oust him, and have little or no use for him. To me that is a consolation because it means that at least half of the country has been awakened... and the scary thing is that the other half is about to be.

I say.. wait for some more major revelations, some more investigations, and then send in the hounds. If they did to Clinton what they did for the reasons they did.... then 4 more years might just turn out to be a hollow slogan with little or no meaning in this case.

Just remember... much of Canada is lamenting, most of Europe... any thinking person I would imagine is not happy. We have to let the emotional currents burn themselves out and hope that logic and common sense replace them in due time.

Yes it would have been better for the country had Kerry won decisively, but wait... the best part of this show is yet to be seen.

I must say that I am a bit disappointed in Florida... so easily bought, so easily misled.... but wait, it will get better, there was and is a momentum for change and it isn't going away all that easily... probably not at all.
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UNIXcock Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:15 AM
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8. Nope, outsourced jobs is simply a function of
... economics.

... If the market cannot bare the salary of an overpaid worker, the company comptroller simply goes elsewhere for the job. It has little to do with the Commander in Chief regardless of who it may be.
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hatrack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:57 AM
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14. Ah, still employed, I see
Judging by your username, I assume you're a programmer or network tech. Lots of luck in the next four years!
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:58 AM
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15. All non-in person service jobs in the United States are "overpaid" then.
Edited on Wed Nov-03-04 10:02 AM by w4rma
There is nothing that can't be done overseas for 1/4 of the price or less except actually waiting on someone else in person.

And with slavery the wages could be even lower. Iraqis would make good slaves, don't you think? Then again literal slavery isn't supported by Repugs (directly). So, Iraqis would make fantastic wage-slaves working at the low low price to barely feed them and house them.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:07 AM
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19. Nope. You're misinformed. The federal government gives tax
incentives to companies who outsource because they WANT to encourage it. The Repubs see outsourcing as a good thing, part of free trade (except it's not free trade when you give an incentive to do something).

Secondly, there are the one-sided trade agreements. That had a lot to do with the beginning of the huge wave of outsourcing. The Repubs like the one-sided trade agreements, partly for that very reason. You don't think so? Ask Ross Perot. He talked about this BEFORE NAFTA was passed. Since NAFTA, there have been even more one-sided trade agreements entered into by the Repub. Congress.

Thirdly is the pure economic reason you speak of and which has always existed. It has never amounted to enough jobs to seriously impact our economy. But with the tax incentives and the trade agreements, that signficantly increased the outsourcing to the point you see now, where it is actually hurting millions of Americans.

Believe me, I've read up on this a lot. The Repubs WANT outsourcing, and will do more and more to encourage it.
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 09:17 AM
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9. We will have no allies.
America will be ostracized from the international community. The "War" on Terror is a sham. Bush will attack any country the he feels like.

Look for UN sanctions, and more France-bashing and criticism of "Old Europe" from this Regime.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:26 AM
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17. Sorry, but we can't afford to attack anyone.

But we WILL be attacked. Economicly.

We are now so hated that our bonds will be much harder to sell at a reasonable interest rate, making it much harder to finance the debt. With our bonds going beggin the only way to raise money will be to raise taxes on the small middle class that's left, proving once again to all who will pay attention that you can't get blood out of a stone.

Even at the present levels of increase this country will, within the next three or four years, spend more on war materials than ALL THE REST OF THE WORLD COMBINED. That can't be sustained. The economy will spiral down to the level of other third world countries.

On the bright side, I consider it a toss up whether revolution or global climate change will occur first. Or course, it doesnt really matter, since GCC trumps all other cards.

The future looks bright---if you are a non-carbon based life form.

But then I've always been a Pollyanna.
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rniel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 10:01 AM
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16. In other words
Kinda like the height of the Dark Ages in europe.
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 11:15 AM
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20. No tax cut will be permament. Human laws can be overturned, but
we need to get honest Democrats and progressives elected over Rethugs.
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TXlib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-03-04 03:54 PM
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21. My $0.02
1. Drilling in the Arctic Nat'l Wildlife Refuge (a Repub senator has already announced they now have the votes to get that passed, since they picked up seats).

I'm not concerned about the environmental ramifications of that; I do think the oil companies have gotten better at minimising the impact of drilling.

My concern is increasing supply, rather than trying to curb frivolous demand. We don't need to open up ANWR until people stop commuting to work alone in Hummers and Ford F-350s. I think we need to change our attitudes about the availability of cheap oil first.

2. Roe v. Wade will be overturned.

I think the conservatives will make attempts to erode it quietly, but will stop short of overturning it. They'll make noise about overturning it to appeal to their base, but they don't want the massive liberal mobilisation that would result from outright overturning RvW.

3. The religious right beliefs will start to permeate every facet of our lives, as the three conservative S. Ct. Justices start to inject their belief system into legal cases.

I am concerned about that. But I think Democrats still have enough clout to obstruct judicial appointments, and as long as they use it to block partisan judges, but allow any moderates that Bush may appoint, I'll support it.

4. Gay marriage will be banned by constitutional amendment, and possibly civil unions, as well.

The 11 state CA banning gay marriage will likely embolden them. But I think Bush proposed it as a wedge issue.

5. Deficit will continue to increase (a still even bigger chunk of my retirement funds will go to pay the increased taxes to pay off that deficit in the future)

That's a concern I share. Some deficit is not bad, but i think we've clearly crossed the line into what is harmful.

6. The Soc. Sec. System, as we know it, will cease to exist.

SS as it currently exists will need to change or die at some point. There's just not enough working base to support the retirees. The age at which full benefits are paid needs to increase, for a start.

7. More and more war and alienated foreign leaders, as Bush continues to browbeat more and more middle eastern countries, and continue to fail at diplomacy.

I'd like to believe that even Bush recognises that we are stretched to our limits now. Barring another major attack on US soil, implementing a draft would be suicide for the party that does it. I think he'll concentrate on Iraq and Afghanistan.

8. The environment (air, water, nature areas, trees) will continue to get worse and worse.

Another concern i share.

9. More jobs will be outsourced, since the Bush government actually wants to encourage that and sees it as a good thing.

The one thing we need to do differently is make more funds available to retrain workers in fields with a high risk of outsourcing, and not wait until they lose their jobs to make the training available. They need the means to be proactive.

10. More illegal aliens will be allowed in, since they are a cheap labor source.

I have conflicting feelings about this. It happens now, and will continue to happen. I think a law that recognizes this, and upsets the status quo as little as possible, except to make it clear to guest-workers that they have full legal protections against unscupulous employers, is necessary. Exempt them from mimimum wage, SS, make their rights known to them, and free up INS for border enforcement against true undesirables.

11. Tax cuts for the wealthiest 1% will be made permanent.

Congress giveth, and congress taketh away. They're only permanent until another congress decides to raise taxes again, whenever that may be.

This is so upsetting. I guess I will take my little tax cut and increased contribution limits to my retirement plans and hide in a cave for four years. I can't bear to watch.

I think we should all take a close look at what happened this election, and try to figure out what America is trying to say, regroup, and work hard for 2006. Stay optimistic.
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