why is john conyers back peddling

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

we don't think anything happened, we concede the election, etc.

Stand up John!

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

1. C'mon!

Please. Think. Does he throw all the cards down at this point? No. Some of those cards have not been dealt yet. But know that the battle has been joined. That is all we get right now.

[CatWoman]

4. exactomundo!!

:hi:

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. I agree.

Kerry will withdraw his concession speech if fraud is found. Conyers played his cards close to his chest.

[goclark]

9. What did he say and when did he say it?

I recall hearing Conyers speak before the Black Caucus Conference on CSPAN.

He gave a strong hint about wanting to try to impeach Bush. He came saying, in code almost.

"The best way for your voices to be heard is to contact your congress people.
They are not going to put themselves out on a limb unless they are sure they have the support of the people back home."

Then he did his eyes in such a way to say, "THINK and DO IT."

That's why I need to know how it was said,was it final?

[Jersey Devil]

30. absolutely right! Conyers is right to play his cards close to the vest

When pressed on whether fraud would turn this election around he said, "Well, our candidate, John Kerry, has conceded" but really didn't say yes or no. He knows the concession speech had no legally binding significance.

What I did like is his statement that basically (not his words) heads would roll and that (yes, his words here) people would go to jail if there was fraud.

[autorank]

2. He needs the goods before he levels a charge.

We have only one chance to make the charge of 'stolen election.' If it's made before there is slam-dunk proof, it can be dismissed and filed on the trash can.

Corporate America controls the media and we get manufactured news.
Corporate America now controls the voting machines and we get manufactured elections.

http://www.blackboxvoting.org/

[H2O Man]

3. he didn't say that.

He never said, "We don't think anything happened, we concede the election." He simply did not say those words.

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

7. I was paraphrasing but he did say

John Kerry conceded the election, and everytime KO asked him about what would happen if they found fraud, he only mentioned criminal charges. And he said they weren't asking for a new election.

[H2O Man]

14. All of which

was very different from the your original post. Paraphrasing is when you convey the same meaning. This was a wonderful segment on a popular news program. The congressman gave thoughtful and well-measured answers.

[jackstraw45]

6. Part of the Democratic Party Elite....

The Democrats in Congress, in case you haven't noticed over the past week, ARE NOT ON OUR SIDE.

They will not join our movement for truth until it benefits them politically, the weasels.

[NWHarkness]

13. John Conyers has worked for freedom his whole life

Watch who you are bad mouthing.

[H2O Man]

19. I suppose he could have

rode into the studio on a motorcycle, wearing mirror shades and carrying a sawed-off shotgun. But then we would have been watching a B-grade movie. Luckily, we were watching real life. He did a good job. The idea is to have things build up. The goal is to win, not to make angry statements that come to dead ends.

[grasswire]

31. do not DARE to call John Conyers a weasel

Because it's a very ignorant statement.

Educate yourself on the topic, son. NO ONE has protected democracy more competently than John Conyers.

Grrrrrrrrrrrr. I'm getting mad at this ignorance.

[Ann Arbor Dem]

42. You know NOTHING about John Conyers, NOTHING....

if you say he is not on our side. :mad:

[KittyWampus]

8. Conyers Measured Every Single Word... Every Single One

you could see his own internal time delay.

[goclark]

11. Then he was saying to us "SUPPORT THIS "

[htuttle]

12. Yup

In fact, he had a number of carefully constructed statements. Like, "I don't think the results would be any different, because our candidate conceded."

That's a far, far, cry from saying, "I don't think the results would be any different because we've completed the audit and found nothing." He's predicated his belief that the election wasn't stolen on the fact that the other candidate conceded. Nothing more.

[Karmadillo]

17. This is the first evidence that makes me think maybe the Dems

really are following a strategy of waiting for the best moment. We get the facts, then we make our fight.

[Jersey Devil]

32. I loved his wry smile when Keith tried to box him in

He knew exactly what Olbermann wanted him to say but would not do it without having all the goods.

[Pallas180]

10. cause JohnKery deserted him - is he supposed to ask for a new vote when

the candidate did a disappearing act???

[LisaL]

16. It's not about John Kerry. It's about us-our votes must be counted

accurately! Otherwise we don't have a democracy.

[rodeodance]

35. right on--this is about counting ALL votes--it is NOt about Kerry

[sangh0]

36. Some people's priority is the vote

and others is finding fault with some Dem or another. Even a genuine hero like Conyers can be slandered.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

15. He needs to have US demand it.

W/out the people clamoring they won't do it.....

We have to take to the streets once we have a bit more evidence.

[seraph]

18. Patience folks. It's coming. (nt)

[mzmolly]

20. Please.

:eyes:

That's not exactly what was said. He said were going to have a congressional investigation!

[H2O Man]

23. In fact

it was something that he did not say. You are correct that he said there is going to be an investigation. In real life, things go in an order: they have to find evidence of fraud and criminal behaviors before they can go to step two. But we are on the way.

[kerry2win]

21. you can bet if they find fraud

their whole tone will turn into attack mode. He's playing it right.

[gmaki]

22. Way too early for talk like that.

What purpose would it serve to use language like that now. If fraud is found there will plenty of time for that. and then you will have facts behind you rather than theories.

[m berst]

24. all we want is a look at those records...

...and the whole house of Bush will come tumbling down.

Partisanship is over for now. The country is at risk.

[Lindsay]

25. Conyers always measures every word.

I love the man, but there are times he can put me to sleep. Not tonight, though...he came across as reasoned and reasonable, and spoke to the heart of the matter, fair elections. (And prosecution for anybody who broke the law. From your mouth to God's ear, Mr. Conyers.)

[shraby]

26. If they find evidence of fraud in a couple of

machines, that almost demands they check each and every one of those machines nation-wide to rule out any more machines being hacked. This is a federal crime with federal penalties. An election won by fraud negates the win, and if Kerry has the majority after investigation, he wins.

[cthrumatrix]

28. I hope he has the courage to fight when they find the obvious!

[MagickMuffin]

27. Rep. Conyers is standing up

and he is standing tall....

He is doing the right thing by investigating the problem.

And was signaling an alert for any of us who may have had our vote hijacked to contact your local Rep. or any of the Reps. who are involved in the process of the investigation.

[goclark]

34. Exactly, you were watching a master politician

at work.

He has been on the right side of justice for as long as I can remember.

He is a skilled warrior.

I think someone said that he did not say the right thing in F 911.

YES! He did.

He pointed the finger where it belonged and educated all of us when he said, "People in Congress do not read all the information that leads up to the votes."

He was right!

He was being honest.

[MagickMuffin]

37. They don't read the bills before passing them

because the bills are written by the lobbyist for CorpAmerica.

They know that they will get the votes, so they don't have to do all that "Hard Work"

And as far as the Patriot Act goes that had been on the shelve for years waiting for the right opportunity to come along....

[grasswire]

29. STOP IT DU

NO ONE knows how to play this out better than John Conyers.

He's a master.

So just sit down, and watch.

[H2O Man]

33. Amen to that!

This is what we want. This is what we need.

[krkaufman]

38. VIDEO: Conyers on MSNBC's Countdown w/ Keith

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=31337&mesg_id=31611

[krkaufman]

43. VIDEO: Tuesday's Countdown segment on voting is here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x35078

[mountainvue]

39. Conyers needs to play this straight up.

He's no fool.

[RyomaSakamoto]

40. MSNBC's Keith OLBERMANN is reporting it ----------------> mp3

http://news.globalfreepress.com/mp3/fraud04/fraud04.mp3

i think he is not overplaying his hand, which is certainly the wise course... as long as that is the course, to 'rigourously EXPOSE this fraudulent admin and ballotless elections'

:shrug:

[goclark]

41. Keith and Conyers were awesome!

Now it is up to each one of us to call our elected officials and demand that the investigation is swift.

Bravo to Keith,,,a real journalist, the only one on TV