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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:10 PM
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Poll question: RFK Assasination - Whodunit?
RFK Assasination - Whodunit?
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:40 PM
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1. Hey, who said 'Other'
without telling us what the 'other' was?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 01:47 PM
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2. Sirhan was a programmed patsy.
Edited on Mon Nov-22-04 01:48 PM by Minstrel Boy
At his show trial, even the prosecution conceded that Sirhan had been hypnotized, and genuinely could not remember the events of the murder. The prosecution, however, claimed Sirhan had hypnotized himself.

Sirhan is still suffering hypnotic blocks on the night, and still can't remember what happened.

Sirhan's last memory of that evening is of having coffee with a woman in a polka dot dress. He was seen in her company, with another man, entering the Ambassador hotel. After the shooting, a number of witnesses saw a woman in a polka dot dress flee with a man, and separate accounts have the woman saying "We shot him! We shot Kennedy!"

The technical advisor to the original Manchurian Candidate, Dr William Joseph Bryan Jr, liked to brag about famous jobs he'd taken on for police departments and the CIA. For instance, he boasted to prostitutes about having hypnotized Albert Di Salvo, the convicted Boston Strangler, while Di Salvo was in custody. He also spoke about having worked with Sirhan. It didn't mean anything to the hookers, but the thing is, he never had access to Sirhan in custody. And here's a funny thing: in Sirhan's notebook of "automatic writing," the name "Di Salvo" is scribbled, though Sirhan claims to not recognize it. Perhaps Bryan couldn't keep from boasting of his past accomplishments, even with Sirhan under hypnosis.

RFK was shot from behind at an upwards trajectory, the gun nozzle no more than an inch from his skin. Sirhan was standing a foot to a foot and a half in front of Kennedy. Multiple witnesses saw only flashes and paper residue flying from Sirhan's gun, suggesting he was firing blanks. Many present who had heard many gunshots in their lifetimes said Sirhan's gun sounded more like a cap pistol.

In photos of RFK lying wounded on the floor, there's a clip-on tie by his outstretched hand. It's the tie of security guard Thane Eugene Caesar, who was contracted to work that night, had CIA links, and was standing at precisely the spot from where, according to the coroner, RFK's killer must have fired. Kennedy grabbed his tie and pulled it off as he fell. Caesar lied about his possession of a gun which matched the murder weapon.

Photos of the crime scene show many more bullet holes than can be accounted for by Sirhan’s gun. (The LAPD subsequently removed the wood panels and ceiling tiles and destroyed them.) Five people were shot, one twice, besides Kennedy, who himself was shot four times. To account for Sirhan hitting them all, requires several "magic" bullets with astonishing trajectories.

In his book The Search for the Manchurian Candidate, John Marks writes of the CIA's efforts to create a programmed killer via MKULTRA. He quotes a CIA veteran who says the program was unnecessary, as a mercenary can be found to kill anyone for a price. What is more useful is a programmed patsy. Marks writes further of a "programmed patsy":

"The purpose of this exercise is to leave a circumstantial trail that will make the authorities think the patsy committed a particular crime. The weakness might well be that the amnesia would not hold up under police interrogation, but that would not matter if the police did not believe his preposterous story about being hypnotized or if he were shot resisting arrest."

I recommend reading DiEugenio and Pease's anthology The Assassinations, and William Turner's The Assassination of Robert F Kennedy.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:19 PM
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4. Have you read
the 1970 book by Robert Blair Kaiser, who was the only reporter to interview S.S. in jail before the trial, and who ended up a defense investigator?
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:08 PM
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6. No I haven't, thanks for the recommendation.
Turner and Christian's book - which in part tells of Vincent Bugliosi's persuasion of Sirhan's innocence - had a tortured publishing history.

Even more than the JFK assassination, questioning the fable of the RFK assassination seems forbidden. Perhaps because Sirhan is still alive.



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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:32 PM
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7. I think you would appreciate
Kaiser's book. I know that you realize what happened. This is a book that was not widely read. If you read it, you'll know why. Kaiser spent ten years studying for the Jesuit priesthood, and is a source that can not be impeached, only ignored.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 07:56 PM
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8. Have you read Lisa Pease's contributions to
The Assassinations anthology? Very significant material, particularly regarding Sirhan's hypnotic blocks and the identity of the "polka dot girl."

Excerpts can be read here:

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr398-rfk.html

http://www.webcom.com/ctka/pr598-rfk.html
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 08:19 PM
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9. Oh, yes, I sure have!
Lisa Pease's work is 100% in line with Kaiser's. It adds a little that I'm sure you would find not surprising or different, but very informative. (I do not have the anthology here right now; certain books should not be loaned with the expectation of seeing them again. But she may have used Kaiser as a reference. I can't recall off the top of my head. Old age does that.)
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 06:29 PM
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5. don't know a lot about RFK's assasination
but have always found it weird that hardly anyone beleives the lone gunman theory when it comes to JFK but most people accept Sirhan was a lone crazy nut - which for all I know he was - but from my (albeit limited) knowledge of the Kennedy's I would have thought the CIA and especially the Mafia would have had more reason to kill Robert Kennedy than his brother. Like I said I don't really have a clue but it seemed strange that the conspiracies didn't get much of a run with RFK's death.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-22-04 05:34 PM
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3. I vote for J Edgar Hoover,
Hoover could not stand JFK, RFK, or MLK. I think he planned all three.
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