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fencesitter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:37 AM
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The Weathermen Underground, remember them?
Saw a documentary on them the other day, What a difference in time. Although I would never condone their bombings, I understand their frusration and hopelessness in conventional ways of change. Talk about loose security in those days. Could you imagine breaking into the FBI and stealing classified documents on citizen surveilance? That was rich. Bombing the Capitol?? The Pentagon?!? Incredible.
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benburch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:39 AM
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1. I wouldn't be so confident of our current security arrangements.
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 11:39 AM by benburch
A sufficiently motivated and intelligent radical would still find a way to do it.
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:39 AM
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2. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows....
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agitpropagent9 Donating Member (169 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:40 AM
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3. regardless of their politics or frustration
they were terrorists who destroyed property and used fear as a weapon. and they would have murdered young soldiers and their dates at fort dix, had they not been so stupid as to blow themselves up.
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fencesitter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:46 AM
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7. This is true..
They crossed the line of activism into all acts of terrorism, the mindset of sacrificing the innocent to the percieved greater good. Sad. After blowing themselves up, they made an effort to make sure all area were clear after the bombs were set, by calling in threats, or setting the charges in the wee hours, but still, a bomb is a bomb.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:46 AM
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8. So What Do You Propose People Do - Give Up
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 12:30 PM by mhr
Media owned by big business - no hope there

Voting machines rigged by big business - no hope there

Most politicians paid for by big business - no hope there

Singing Shambhala won't cut it anymore.

In many ways the situation is worse today than it was in the 60s.
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:07 PM
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11. Very few, even here, will speak the truth.
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 12:09 PM by T Wolf
mhr, I agree with you that there is no hope through "conventional" means to put this country back on the correct path. The forces of fascism aligned against freedom are much more powerful and have much more control now than they ever did.
Until those who make the decisions that are destroying this "grand experiment" in democracy start to personally suffer for their actions, things will not change. Without consequences, there are no costs for bad behavior.
I fear for the world that my daughters will have to live in.
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:28 PM
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14. Yes, My Problem Is That I Have A Gift For Stating The Blindingly Obvious
Unlike others my vestment in the status quo is very low: No Wife, No Kids, No Mortgage, No Retirement Savings, etc.

Hence, change for me is a very fluid thing. For others, the fear of change prevails out of fear for their perceived security and status.

Part of me hopes that this country does suffer economically just to wake folks up. Part of me hopes that that would not be necessary.

Regrettably, even Democrats, Liberals, and Progressives are oft times too wedded to the status quo, even if that status quo is slowly grinding the life out of them.
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iconoclastNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:41 AM
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4. No but I remember Timothy McVeigh N/T
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:42 AM
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5. they sang "It's Raining Men"
didn't they?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:44 AM
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6. Actually, it was "The Weather Underground" whose members
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 11:45 AM by ET Awful
were referred to as Weathermen (or more accurately, the group began as "The Weathermen" then morphed into "The Weather People" and finally settled on "The Weather Underground". They were a splinter (more radical/extreme) group/offshoot of Students for a Democratic Society.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:47 AM
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9. Indeed they were the SDS kids who's fathers made more than $ 30,000 a yr
A bit of a joke - but much truth also.

The parents provided living costs with no questions asked. less wealthy could not afford the lifestyle.
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Sugarbleus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 11:50 AM
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10. Weather Underground...I remember well. eom
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:15 PM
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12. A tiny group, never more than a couple dozen people, made into
Edited on Tue Mar-15-05 12:17 PM by NCevilDUer
a major bugaboo. At the same time there were tens of thousands of KKK, Minutemen, John Birchers, the forerunners of the RW militia movement, who have been responsible for the deaths of dozens of law enforcement officers, not to mention the killing of civilians and each other. But the RW crimes were always treated as individual, disparate crimes, while the ineffectual radical left was deemed a movement and a menace.

edited for spelling
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-15-05 12:24 PM
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13. I'd just moved out of the house..
... in 1973 when a "girlfriend" gave me a book: "Diana: the Making of a Terrorist".

This book documented the short life of the protagonist, Diana, who was a WU member who died in a explosion in a bomb-making apartment.

It was my first exposure to politics, to larger issues. The Weather Underground was not the answer but there was an important question.

Oh yeah, she also gave me "Autobiography of a Yogi", another quite interesting book of the times :)
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