Do you want Hillary as the nominee - Yes or No?

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

not will you support her or are their others you're waiting to hear from


simple poll on whether there is demand for this-is a hillary run something you want or not

my vote-No

[Junkdrawer]

1. No, and you could have posted it as a poll... n/t

[Walt Starr]

6. I think you have to be a donor to start a poll

I might be wrong.

[Sanity Claws]

2. No

[LiberalVoice]

3. Nope

[mr_hat]

4. No. Sure loser, I'm afraid. And already way too "centerist."

[ultraist]

5. no

[redirish28]

7. yes

[sui generis]

8. no no no no no

I used to be a huge fan but I am also watching her pander to the religious right and weigh in on "sex and violence" and same sex marriage, and quite frankly if we don't look radically different and better than republicans, our own people won't be bothered to get and vote to change the status quo.

We need a real leader, not a politician.

[LSparkle]

9. No

End of story. She and Bill have gotten too darned close to the BFEE for my comfort.

[DainBramaged]

68. Before you all say no, who would be running against her?

And how badly will this country become by the 2008 election? If things continue, we may be able to put a blow up doll as our candidate and win.

[Walt Starr]

10. No

I'd rather see somebody else. Unfortunately in the existing system, we probably won't have a lot of involvement in the choice.

[jrthin]

11. No. nt

[MsTryska]

12. Only if

Condi is the Republican nominee.


otherwise, No.

[merh]

13. NO!

:smoke:

[Robbien]

14. No, she voted for the bankruptcy bill. So no.

[Toucano]

15. That's not true. n/t

[Robbien]

22. She did not cast an actual vote, but she took away her support

from the groups who were trying to fight the passage. Which is a shame because as First Lady she was against this bill.

[Walt Starr]

25. Link please

I'm calling bullshit on this one. She voted against cloture and put out a press release condemning the bill.

[Robbien]

32. In july 2001 she voted yes to restricting rules on personal bankruptcy

the bill did not pass then, but it is clearly stated on her own opinion page
http://ontheissues.org/Senate/Hillary_Clinton.htm

[Walt Starr]

35. She di not vote yes on the recent abomination

and also condemned it.

You're comparing apples to oranges here. Two completely different pieces of legislation.

[Robbien]

45. The bill she voted yes on was comparable to the one passed last week

not apples and oranges. Apples and Apples. She just chose not to put a vote on the record this time. Speaking out against this bill means diddly squat. She didn't vote.

[Toucano]

49. Again, completely false.

The bill that passed in 2005 is much more harsh on consumers.

[Robbien]

58. The bill in 2001 was pretty pretty bad.

I was very active in an organization then which was fighting that bill. This 2005 bill and its counselling requirement is an abomination, but the 2001 bill was very very strict.

Back in 2001 when we called Hillary for help in stopping the bill, her office told our organization she would be supporting the bankruptcy bill. Our job in stopping that bill got much much harder.

Sorry, I will not support Hillary. And I have big doubts as to why she didn't bother to vote on this year's bill.

[Toucano]

63. Fine

If your original post had said:

"No, she voted for the bankruptcy bill in 2001", it would have been accurate.

As it is, you created a false impression.

On edit:

It's also worth noting that Sen. Clinton voted FOR every Democrat sponsored amendment to soften the impact of the bankruptcy bill, and AGAINST the motion to invoke cloture.

Should she have gone to her husband's doctors and said, "Can you move the surgery so I can cast a completely useless symbolic vote against the bankruptcy reform bill in the United States Senate?"

Apparently, you think so.

[PassingFair]

82. Yeah, false impression! Just like saying that JW Gacy killed 4 boys

in 1970! Yeah, right! When we all know he didn't kill anyone until 1972!
:eyes:

[Toucano]

46. That isn't her "own opinion page".

But no matter.

The reform legislation in 2001 was completely different.

I don't agree with her support of that FAILED legislation, either, but it's an entirely separate matter from the GROSSLY unfair legislation that she didn't support.

The Republicans had more seats in 2005 and took advantage of it by reaching further with the "reform".

Vote for her or against her as you will, but you're not going to get away with misrepresenting the facts. Not here, anyway.

[Toucano]

29. What are you talking about?

what groups?

Give me facts.

You said "she voted for the bankruptcy bill". That's not true, right?

[Walt Starr]

18. She did NOT vote for the bankruptcy bill!

That is utterly FALSE. She was the LONE SENATOR who cast NO VOTE on that bill because she was at her husband's side in the hospital when he went through a second round of surgery!

She also voted AGAINST cloture, so get your facts straight before you spout off!

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

41. she voted for it in 2001

and she would have voted for it again if she could have been there

[Walt Starr]

65. She voted against cloture

and issued a statement condemning the bill, so your prognostication is inaccurate.

[Catfight]

16. No, no more regimes in America. The Bush Dynasty should be the last. nt

[Stop_the_War]

17. I stumbled across a DISTURBING site about Hillary Clinton

http://www.hillary.org/

[CrispyQ]

19. No. --eom

[papau]

20. Yes

:-)

I think she would be more effective if elected than any others that I see around at this time. And I do not see her being harder to elect - with Grover Norquist cheating and GOP get out the vote being inspired by dollars to the max, there is little that would increase that effort.

So does she bring a bit more of the center to those of us on the left - I think so.

Is she a bit more left than we give her credit for - yes - I worked on Universal Heath and Taxes in early Clinton - and she is to the left of Bill.

And I liked Bill.

[Tracer]

21. No.

NO, NO, NO.

She would be the surest loser Democrats have ever seen.

[inspectorgadget]

23. Don't know anymore...

If you had asked me about a month ago I would have said yes, but I just don't know anymore... with her recent centrist shift and all that. All this pandering to religious nuts. We need a tell it like it is candidate that isn't afraid to do what it takes... It really shouldn't be that hard to beat the republicans. :\

I know! Let's run Barbara Boxer. That would be awesome ... especially if they ran Condi Rice against her.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

24. NO!!!!! n/t

[FtWayneBlue]

26. No, I would prefer

someone more progressive - anti-war, anti-corporate

Pro-liberal, pro-working class people.

Dennis Kucinich!

[OneBlueSky]

27. absolutely not . . . n/t

.

[Stephanie]

28. NO

Hillary is a sure loser.

[ClayZ]

30. NO!

:-(

[HockeyMom]

31. NO

and I voted for her for the Senate. She is pandering now to the right wing philosophy.

[Lisabtrucking]

33. No. America is not ready for a woman, specially during war. I don't

believe she would be able to win. Don't get me wrong I love Hillary, but we need to win the next presidency, and Hillary wouldn't have a chance. There would be to many who would think a woman would be to weak for a war.

[denverbill]

34. No. That should clinch the nomination for her.

After all, we know that if all us wild-eyed liberals are against her, she must be a good candidate. We need someone who is electable, not someone who liberals like.

[saltpoint]

36. No

We have several other less polarizing candidates who have a broader vision than Senator Clinton.

[bowens43]

37. No.

But you can bet the Republicans do.

[MissMarple]

38. NO

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

39. so my unscientific poll now leads me to ask...

why is she winning? nam recognition? rightwingers want her as candidate so media is fixated on her? part establishment ties? lack of strong competition/

why is it that someone so few people are enthused about is the runaway frontrunner-i know it's early, but this makes no sense

[Toucano]

72. You forgot to add...

because DU is a small, unrepresentative subset of the electorate that has never once picked the winner.

[PassingFair]

84. and you forgot to add...

that we are being fed pablum (and that's being NICE about it) can you spell P-R-O-P-A-G-A-N-D-A?

[seabeyond]

77. media and repug keep pushing down our throat

did it thru out kerry campaign and it was an irritant. they kept telling us how we didnt want kerry and how we do want clinton. and it feels to me like the media and repugs are going to convince dems to push hillary on us in 2008, pissin me off

[Tactical Progressive]

40. Yes, she'd make a fantastic President

My first choice is the one I always push here: Gore/Clark

but Hillary would be excellent.

To people who say she's "polarizing" I say give me a break. Republicans will make themselves hate any Democrat, whether good, bad or war hero. I find it amazingly hypocritical that the ones who say she's "polarizing" are by and large the same ones who don't want to bend to the center but want some outspoken hard-left firebrand. Inotherwords, they only care about 'polarizing' when it comes to Hillary.

To people who 'just don't like her' - fuck you.

[natrat]

42. no

[SheepyMcSheepster]

43. no. i am ready for a president who is not kin to a former president.

is that too much to ask?

[B Calm]

44. I wonder how she would have voted on the bankruptcy bill

if she had voted???

[woosh]

47. no

[Blue_In_AK]

48. NO. n/t

[concord]

50. No

She would lose.

[Neecy]

51. hell no

[Richard Steele]

52. NO. No way, no chance, nohow!

[redqueen]

53. No.

[Old Deuteronomy]

54. Yes. I love her.

[radwriter0555]

55. Nope. the only ones ramming her down our throats are the republicans...

like when kkkarl rove supported Dean for president. Remember that?

[LondonReign2]

56. No.

Not if we want to win. Which also excludes another Kerry run.

[Beacho]

57. No

But let her run in the primaries.

That's how Joe found out about how the grass roots feels about 'centrists'.

[nansocal]

59. no.....

not this time.

[hfojvt]

60. the question is moot

Who is running against her? Edwards? Dean? Gore? Obama?

Also, if it is like last time, Kansas, with a late primary, will have no say in the matter. The bandwagon will run us over.

[phylny]

61. No on nomination. I don't think she would win. I would vote for her,

however, against any Republican candidate unless they were more Democratic than she is.

[Red State Rebel]

62. Yes, she is the best hope this party has of regaining the WH.

I know that very few will agree with me, but she is right on track with her run already. I have NO doubt she will be the nominee.

[Trillo]

64. The Real Question: Will the Tabulator "vote" for her? n/t

[Payback Time]

66. Undecided but more Yes than No

She's mighty strong, assertive, and gutsy. I like her answer to Greenspan today when he said "we were wrong" about projecting surpluses as a result of the 2001 tax cuts. Her response was something like "Some people were wrong but not everyone."

Then, again, Harry Reid is a pretty courageous guy. He has Guts with a capital "G".

Centrist is not all bad. It depends on the issues. Dean admits to being Centrist (moderate, Conservative) on certain issus. We must appeal to the conservative, moderate faction who are not yet insane. On the other hand, we might not want to remind them of Clinton name.

[jonnyblitz]

67. no. nt

[cry baby]

69. NO, but the corporate media has anointed her already as the

nominee.

If she is the nominee, I will vote for her.

[Lorien]

70. No

No more DLCers, period.

[Lone Pawn]

71. no

[Dookus]

73. Yes

[seabeyond]

74. no

[Pepperbelly]

75. far too soon to say ... nt

[Andy_Stephenson]

76. Not no but

hell no. If she is the nominee...we lose again!

[in_cog_ni_to]

78. NO! n/t

[understandinglife]

79. NO. I support Boxer for President. (nt)

Peace.

[Devlzown]

80. NO.

[PassingFair]

81. No

I, too, would like to see this posted as a poll. I want to see the truth. I'm tired of being lied to, by *Co AND our own corporate dems. By the looks of the impromptu vote, it appears my suspicions are correct. The lies are layered on thicker than I thought.
I am so weary of them.

[B Calm]

83. Did she vote for the Rice appointment?

[Misunderestimator]

85. No... and I worked to get her elected as a senator in NY...

but no... I would not want her as the nominee for president.

[B Calm]

88. I donated to her Senate campaign too, but she has been a republican

lite and has lost me..

[ScreamingMeemie]

86. No. Not in a million. Never have. Never will.

:hi:

[Pithy Cherub]

87. Open

Want to hear them all once they have declared. I have a VERY decided preference but will be shopping for an alternative if necessary.

[Jacobin]

89. Fuck, no.

[driver8]

90. I second that -- Fuck No!

There is no way in hell that Hillary would win...no way.

[Vadem]

91. I'm actually waiting for others......right now, Hillary, in my view..is..

pandering to the rightwing! I WILL not vote for someone who is pandering to WHATEVER wing they are trying to reach!

Hillary is not thrilling me, as of now!

I'll be looking at other Dems!