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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:57 PM Original message |
Debunking the "must move to the right" mentality |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
1. kick |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
2. I think the fundamental point you're missing |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Hmm. Then Why is it George Bush is President? |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. Absolutely true!!!! His main base is the extremist vote. |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 07:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. If Howard Dean had winning ideas, |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Wouldn't that mean that Kerry had winning ideas. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #21 |
94. If Dean hadn't had the DLC meddling with him... |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:25 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. What you say makes no sense. |
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Mockingbird (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:03 PM Response to Reply #16 |
72. Well, if it comforts you... |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 07:55 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Not really. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
29. They do a very good job at reaching to the center. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
47. It works because of the Double-Standard inherent in ALL Totalitarian |
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Mockingbird (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #5 |
74. You assume he IS prez. |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 04:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
99. In my personal experience... |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:13 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. It's not that we don't give a damn what moderates or centrists think. |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:17 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. exactly n/t |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
22. I'm talking about voters, not DU posters or politicians. |
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BurtWorm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. You think "we at DU are extremists?" |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:37 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Fuck the so-called moderates. |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
23. You want to be the party of the left, |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 09:47 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Whose ass are you pulling your numbers out of ? |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
46. Again... |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #23 |
50. The Repukes have told the liberals to go fuck themselves and it worked for |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #23 |
65. But to talk about extremism.. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. Bush is able to convince people that what he is doing is best for the |
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Mockingbird (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
75. Yeah right... it worked so well in 2004. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #23 |
93. Go tell Al From we're not buying today... |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
18. The proof that we don't need more moves to the right |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 07:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. exactly |
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Lone Pawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Did I say we need to 'move to the right?' |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
48. And that is exactly... |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:14 AM Response to Reply #18 |
33. How does that establish cause? |
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Cuban_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 07:39 PM Response to Reply #18 |
86. Lost to whom? |
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foreigncorrespondent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
44. Oh please! |
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Mockingbird (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
71. Well, if Stalin ran as a Dem... |
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moddemny (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 05:20 AM Response to Reply #2 |
89. Thank you. |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
3. kick |
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jdj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think Al Sharpton put it most succintly |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
27. The "rightwing stuff" is politics. |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:23 PM Response to Original message |
8. kick |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:37 PM Response to Original message |
9. kick |
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Snivi Yllom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
11. Totally dead on |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
56. Kerry tried to be everything to everyone. He was not at the center |
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FDU (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:40 PM Response to Original message |
12. I appreciate your thoughts. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
13. The implicit message is Democratic values are inferior |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:50 PM Response to Original message |
14. Do not move right! As the Dems move right, so do the Repukes!!! |
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Stop_the_War (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 06:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. thank you for posting that quote n/t |
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BrklynLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-15-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I totally agree with your position. n/t |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:12 AM Response to Original message |
28. There is a theory called the mean voter theory that is used |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
32. We need to think differently that right - left. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:39 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. The way the ideas are expressed is less important then the |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 06:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Yes. It think a bit of time out of power will make us rethink. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:33 PM Response to Reply #41 |
59. I hope the rethinking happens sooner rather then later. -nt |
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iconoclastNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #28 |
52. Time to try a new theory |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
53. That theory has lost us the last three major elections. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:35 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Or maybe.... |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. That's funny! You're a card! |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Do some research on mean voter theory and then tell me I am wrong. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. I like to use my imagination, too. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 01:56 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Could you point out some academic writings that say this. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. You didn't hear me. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #62 |
63. It is not a controlled investigation. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. How many more "coincidences" are you willing to endure? |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. There is very good literature in philosophy and economics |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 03:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Well spoken, but wrong. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 05:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. I can't be proven wrong. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You are proven wrong. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #70 |
76. Here's why you are only able to believe that I am wrong. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 11:41 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. You are wrong, and are wasting your time. - n/t |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 12:41 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Logical empiricists and satiations would hold me correct. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Wrong. - n/t |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. It seems you must have the last word. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-05 08:46 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. I could say the same thing for you. |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 02:32 AM Response to Reply #87 |
88. What if I said that purely for being ironic? |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 12:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. I don't really care. - n/t |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 12:39 AM Response to Reply #91 |
95. It's one of those "This sentence is false" situations -nt |
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harpboy_ak (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 03:05 AM Response to Reply #61 |
97. screw the academics! |
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moddemny (400 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 05:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
90. republicans pay you to spout this crap |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:23 AM Response to Original message |
34. Even before the election, there was a lot of talk |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
35. What are the "rights of the working class"? |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:45 AM Response to Reply #35 |
37. The rights of the class of people |
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lostinacause (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
54. So you mean the interests of the working class people |
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AuntiBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 02:54 AM Response to Original message |
38. If the Dem's move to the right, they're NO LONGER DEMS! |
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Carl Yasutomo (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 04:00 AM Response to Original message |
39. Folks, it's not just about how far left or right you are |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
81. great post |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 04:19 AM Response to Original message |
40. Goldwater, 1964. Did the GOP suddenly "move to the center"? |
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WyLoochka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:06 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. Perhaps people don't recall |
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NewJeffCT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
82. I've been saying that for 18 months on DU |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 07:47 AM Response to Original message |
42. right is wrong |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
45. See, now, this is why I'm such a Clark fan. |
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Mockingbird (53 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 10:23 PM Response to Reply #45 |
73. Perceptions will stand until 2008? |
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formernaderite (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 09:58 AM Response to Original message |
49. I think what we want is a populist candidate |
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_TJ_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-16-05 11:14 AM Response to Original message |
51. pendulum effect |
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Satara (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:38 AM Response to Original message |
77. A party for all ! |
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Spinoza (766 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 01:16 PM Response to Original message |
80. Many of Clinton's policies |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-05 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
85. Amen! |
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Riding this Donkey (658 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-19-05 12:24 PM Response to Original message |
92. I agree, we cannot move right, we need to find issues and a way to |
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GreenPoet64 (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 01:07 AM Response to Original message |
96. kick n/t |
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Prism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 04:24 AM Response to Original message |
98. From a Centrist Dem |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 04:47 AM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Man, that was good! |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-20-05 04:41 AM Response to Original message |
100. I['ll try again. |
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