The Ten Commandments ARE NOT THE FIRST WRITTEN LAWS!!! Hammurabi's code

[Melodybe]

is generally given credit for being the first written law. Remember an "eye for an eye"? It comes from Hammurabi's code! There are even some Summarian texts that are earlier. As early as 2000 BC, Hammurabi was 1700 BC.

It just drives me nuts when intelligent liberals get on tv and have nothing to say to a jerk that says the ten commandments should be allowed because it is the first written law. IT"S NOT!!!!

So can we please shut the idiots up on this one.

[NVMojo]

1. lots of slave laws here ....

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/MESO/CODE.HTM

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If any one ensnare another, putting a ban upon him, but he can not prove it, then he that ensnared him shall be put to death.


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If any one bring an accusation against a man, and the accused go to the river and leap into the river, if he sink in the river his accuser shall take possession of his house. But if the river prove that the accused is not guilty, and he escape unhurt, then he who had brought the accusation shall be put to death, while he who leaped into the river shall take possession of the house that had belonged to his accuser.


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If any one bring an accusation of any crime before the elders, and does not prove what he has charged, he shall, if it be a capital offense charged, be put to death.


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If he satisfy the elders to impose a fine of grain or money, he shall receive the fine that the action produces.


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If a judge try a case, reach a decision, and present his judgment in writing; if later error shall appear in his decision, and it be through his own fault, then he shall pay twelve times the fine set by him in the case, and he shall be publicly removed from the judge's bench, and never again shall he sit there to render judgement.


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If any one steal the property of a temple or of the court, he shall be put to death, and also the one who receives the stolen thing from him shall be put to death.


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If any one buy from the son or the slave of another man, without witnesses or a contract, silver or gold, a male or female slave, an ox or a sheep, an ass or anything, or if he take it in charge, he is considered a thief and shall be put to death.


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If any one steal cattle or sheep, or an ass, or a pig or a goat, if it belong to a god or to the court, the thief shall pay thirtyfold; if they belonged to a freed man of the king he shall pay tenfold; if the thief has nothing with which to pay he shall be put to death.


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If any one lose an article, and find it in the possession of another: if the person in whose possession the thing is found say "A merchant sold it to me, I paid for it before witnesses," and if the owner of the thing say, "I will bring witnesses who know my property," then shall the purchaser bring the merchant who sold it to him, and the witnesses before whom he bought it, and the owner shall bring witnesses who can identify his property. The judge shall examine their testimony—both of the witnesses before whom the price was paid, and of the witnesses who identify the lost article on oath. The merchant is then proved to be a thief and shall be put to death. The owner of the lost article receives his property, and he who bought it receives the money he paid from the estate of the merchant.


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If the purchaser does not bring the merchant and the witnesses before whom he bought the article, but its owner bring witnesses who identify it, then the buyer is the thief and shall be put to death, and the owner receives the lost article.


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If the owner do not bring witnesses to identify the lost article, he is an evil-doer, he has traduced, and shall be put to death.


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If the witnesses be not at hand, then shall the judge set a limit, at the expiration of six months. If his witnesses have not appeared within the six months, he is an evil-doer, and shall bear the fine of the pending case.


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If any one steal the minor son of another, he shall be put to death.


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If any one take a male or female slave of the court, or a male or female slave of a freed man, outside the city gates, he shall be put to death.


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If any one receive into his house a runaway male or female slave of the court, or of a freedman, and does not bring it out at the public proclamation of the major domus, the master of the house shall be put to death.


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[blogbear]

2. Amen! That Code of Hammerabi Was Also Erected Much As..

The Ten Commandments are today to stand visibly in the face of the people to 'keep them in line' and to surely keep them 'in shock and awe'..In some respects both of these ancient rock hard legal codes have been aimed in the faces of people and were aimed to be used as a means of weaponry of intimidation style 'control'..

[donco6]

3. You're wrong.

Not only were the Ten Commandments the very first law EVER, all men have one less rib than women (God took one to make Eve), the Great Flood covered the entire earth (not just the Fertile Crescent), the universe was created in 6 days (evolution? bah!), and the value of pi is 3.0 (not an infinite ratio like those crazy mathemeticians try to tell you).

The Bible says so, and that's good enough for me.

[LostInAnomie]

4. It is actually "The Code of Dungi"

Hammurabi is just given credit for them even though they were around long before he was even born.

[MADem]

7. The GOP does not like to talk about poo-poo, now!

So stop with the dung, or dungi, already! And Hammurabi has too many syllables, and it's what drunks do to some poor bastard named Rabi after they stumble out of the bar looking for a fight! Remember, only JESUS saves...no one else does, because of rising prices...

[earthboundmisfit]

5. We need leaders who will state - loudly - that the fundies are WRONG.

We need our people who believe these nutjobs are WRONG to not be afraid to SAY SO - in public, via whatever media possible, anywhere possible, as LOUD as possible, as often as possible. It's OK to say to that the rapturistas are WRONG - we have to quit being so afraid to tell the truth! Speaking out & EXPOSING the idiocy of the XtianTaliban is one of the only good ways to deal with it. To be fearful & say nothing is to hand victory to them on a silver platter. SPEAK UP & SPEAK OUT in any venue you can - just as the fundies do (except you'll be standing up for the truth)!

[fortress]

6. Interestingly enough...

the 10 commandments that are in the Bible ...

(the first mention of 'commandments' and when Moses comes down with the 2 big blocks is in Exodus 34:13-28)

are NOT the ones that religious nuts and right-wing politicians want to post in schools, public buildings, etc...

Check it (sorry for the length...)

Exodus 34:13-28 (King James Version)

King James Version (KJV)

   13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:

   14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:

   15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;

   16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.

   17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.

   18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.

   19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.

   20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.

   21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.

   22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.

   23 Thrice in the year shall all your menchildren appear before the LORD God, the God of Israel.

   24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.

   25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.

   26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

   27 And the LORD said unto Moses, Write thou these words: for after the tenor of these words I have made a covenant with thee and with Israel.

   28 And he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.

[Melodybe]

8. I hate that people like Bill Maher NEVER remember to make this point

Actually I've seen him get this wrong at least 3 times.

It drives me nuts, I just want DUers to know the truth on this argument so that when confronted with some RW bull shit they will have an honest response.

[farmboxer]

9. Egyptian Negative Confessions

are the oldest. The "Papyrus Of Ani" the oldest Bible.

Whatever, I only care about voting Republican idiots out of office! Bush and his pals are destroying America!