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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:37 PM
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Don't call her Lynndie
Geneva Conventions

Part III. Status and Treatment of Protected Persons

Section I. Provisions common to the territories of the parties to the conflict and to occupied territories

Art. 32. The High Contracting Parties specifically agree that each of them is prohibited from taking any measure of such a character as to cause the physical suffering or extermination of protected persons in their hands. This prohibition applies not only to murder, torture, corporal punishments, mutilation and medical or scientific experiments not necessitated by the medical treatment of a protected person, but also to any other measures of brutality whether applied by civilian or military agents.


See also the Nuremburg Code and the Tokyo War Crimes trial, which invalidates "following orders" as a defense. Further, in the Tokyo War Crimes trial, it was decided that

"(A)nyone with knowledge of illegal activity and an opportunity to do something about it is a potential criminal under international law unless the person takes affirmative measures to prevent commission of the crimes."


Feeling that there is some small measure of justice in England's conviction doesn't mean that there is not more justice that needs to be served on the higher ups. Arguing that anger towards England's crimes should be re-directed towards guilty parties in the administration and the Pentagon only suggests that there are some people who don't have enough anger about the whole mess. If you have a limited supply of hate for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo and the dozen secret prisons around the world, take a look at England's photos again. I bet you'll find a bit more.

Finding some satisfaction in England's conviction also doesn't mean that people don't recognize the greater crime of the entire Iraq debacle. Especially on a site like DU, that goes without saying.

Excusing England's war crimes because of her unremarkable economic background is especially ridiculous. England wasn't stealing bread because she was hungry. She wasn't robbing convenience stores to clothe her kids. She was in a notorious prison, where she wasn't supposed to be, committing war crimes. There are hundreds of thousands of National Guardsmen who joined for the same economic reasons England did that have managed not to go out of their way to torture prisoners.

More than once, she was given the opportunity to do the right thing--or at least, not do the wrong thing. She didn't have to go to Abu Ghraib. She didn't have to hold the dog leash attached to a prisoner. She didn't have to strike a jaunty pose, cigarette dangling from the corner of her mouth, smiling and pointing at a prisoner's genitals. She could've argued to the bitter end that there were illegal standing orders to torture prisoners. But she failed to do the right thing, each and every time. And in a final act of cowardice, she plea bargained her way into a lighter sentence, remaining mute about those who created the criminal situation she so willingly--eagerly, even--took part in.

England is as deserving of sympathy as Graner, Gonzales, Sanchez, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush and the rest.

Don't call her "Lynndie." She's not the girl next door. She's a convicted, unapologetic war criminal. The lowest one on the ladder, to be sure, but one nonetheless.

Call her Lynndie England, willing torturer, war criminal. And hope that she is just one step in prosecuting the rest of the bastards involved in this wide-ranging criminal conspiracy.

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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:39 PM
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1. Did you know that one of the charges she avoided by pleading guilty
Edited on Tue May-03-05 02:39 PM by ET Awful
was "failure to follow a lawful order"? Now tell me that's not messed up.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:39 PM
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3. Wasn't it "disobeying a lawful order"?
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:41 PM
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4. Same difference under UCMJ. n/t
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:42 PM
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7. Duh, sorry.
This was a huge brainfart.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:43 PM
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8. Pfffffffffffft
did it sound anything like that? :evilgrin:

:)
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:42 PM
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6. Insane, just insane.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:39 PM
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2. Agree 100% -- great post.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:41 PM
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5. You are so on target...this is like the end of Taxi Driver..psycho as hero
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:44 PM
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9. Amen! Never understood the "poor little girl" excuse.
As if being poor in West Virginia leads to torturing naked Iraqis...

And why are people on a first name basis with this sadist?

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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:47 PM
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10. I was half expecting people to up the ante to "Lynndie-poo"
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catnhatnh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:52 PM
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11. But why does the bimbo with the leash....
...get 11 years and the commanding general get a letter of reprimand????
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 02:54 PM
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12. Because the system is fucked
Doesn't mean that when it gets something right it should be dismissed.
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 03:00 PM
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13. She is one sick perverted war criminal
She deserves whatever they throw at her. I don't think she can be rehabilitated. Of course nothing takes the higher ups off the hook. They condoned this sh*t and basically encouraged it. Ooohrah my ass.
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beam me up scottie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-03-05 03:12 PM
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14. THANK YOU.
She chose to torture human beings.

If we apply the "logic" of some members, we should be able to torture our own prisoners for fun and profit right here in amerika.

After all, our government is going to kill them anyway, so what the hell?
:eyes:
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