I predict the Fundie Fascists will ban porn, and that will be the wake-up.

[iconoclastic cat]

Poll question: I predict the Fundie Fascists will ban porn, and that will be the wake-up.

I'm serious. Just wait. Porn is a billion-dollar industry owned by some of the biggest companies around. The Fundie Fascists, however, do not just want to haul a big rock on a flatbed truck all over the country: they want a theocracy.

Somehow, I don't see how these People of Faith (TM) will abide the likes of Sylvia Saint or Ron Jeremy.

We already know that that these nutballs feel like momentum is on their side. This is because half the country has no idea what is going on. They know nothing of Falwell or Dobson or Cheney. They probably don't even know where their polling place is. They will sleep through the death of the filibuster; they will wonder why bankruptcy sucks a lot more these days; they will notice that their kids' education seems to be missing a few details that they learned way back when.

None of it will phase them.

Then, the porn will vanish. The Family Values Freedom Choice Act of 2006 came and went, and POOF. No porn. Like that bad movie, "A Day Without a Mexican." Just gone.

And they will freak the fuck out.

There will be riots in the streets. Rick Santorum will be sodomized in effigy. The place will go up. The roof will be officially on fire.

What do you think? Plausible or not?

[blondeatlast]

1. I'm the first vote! I'm in! The fake group--you betcha!

This is quite do-able, IMHO.

[iconoclastic cat]

2. Heh, heh! --- she said "do-able"! Heh, heh!

[Robeysays]

4. heh heh heh, play on words. n/t

[proud patriot]

9. hehehehehehe I'm with you there

:rofl:

[iconoclastic cat]

18. I'm starting to seriously consider it.

I have no background in policy research or anything. I just have a devious little brain. Should I open up a secret forum and start it up?

[patricia92243]

3. How could porn be banned? It is all over the internet.

[iconoclastic cat]

5. Exactly! But they'd still vote for it!

Imagine how crazy they would look. It would never be successful. But that wouldn't stop Fundigelicans from running on it as a plank in their platform! Get them to say that they will ban porn!

[blondeatlast]

10. The wacko wing of the Republican faith (if Cheney can do it, so can I)

will flock to this like flies to honey. They will pour money, time, and political capital into it. If they smell "righteousness," there's nothing to stop them.

It doesn't have to WORK, it just has to be visible.

Remember how they campaigned on gays--but what have they actually done about them? They can't, and what's more, they won't--it's political suicide and the Heritage Foundation knows it--but the hypnotized followers of Falwell and Robertson have no idea.

This is genius.

[iconoclastic cat]

12. And they get to frame us as the "Party of Porking"!

Those Lieberals just want to screw! Not us--vote for morality!

[blondeatlast]

13. Well, that outta win us the youth vote...

:evilgrin:

[SlowDownFast]

29. I think it's a great idea!

it'd wake up a bunch of pro-porn folks to the encroaching fascist fundies and they'd start a "Patriots for Porn" organization to combat them!

in theory anyways...:shrug:

[mongo]

38. Here they are

http://www.freespeechcoalition.com/

Please give generously....

[SlavesandBulldozers]

6. i've heard

a "die-hard" conservative (yuck, yuck) bring this up very recently. he said they were coming for his porn and that's where he drew the line. This is true, he actually said it, and i thought it was strange that he brought that up - as if its being discussed in conservo-circles.

So i think youre onto something. Divide and conquer (and no i dont mean that in the sexual sense, damn you're sick)

[iconoclastic cat]

17. How did that conversation get started? Seriously, think.

What set him down that train of thought?

SandB, I'm thinking of creating an invite-only forum. Whattya think?

[Mz Pip]

7. How can they even begin to try?

Porn is the biggest money maker on the Internet. How would they be able to track down all the porn peddlers? There aren't enough tax dollars out there to even make a dent in the porn industry.

Honestly, it would be a hoot to see them try. Santorum getting all frothy and moist, Brownback quivering, Orin Hatch feigning moral indignation.

Go for it, I say. The show would be worth the price of the popcorn.

Mz Pip
:dem:

[iconoclastic cat]

8. Force them to go for it!

How could one of those fundie freaks defend porn? No way would they do it. They would have to go along with it or fear being outed at hypocrites.

[blondeatlast]

11. Talk about eating their own. The libertarian type Republicans

will be in an uproar, and they tend to have the moderates and the gun lovers on their side.

Pass the popcorn--and out on some pants, willya?

[readmoreoften]

14. when porn is outlawed only the rich will have porn

there's been a crackdown on hardcore and BDSM representations in magazines already, but generic porn is not going to be attacked.

[blondeatlast]

15. It doesn't need to be, we just need to make them THINK it will be.

There are enough dimwit Rs in Congress that will hear about this and run with it.

[iconoclastic cat]

16. It wouldn't even cost much!

Think about it: Letter writing, phone calls, even going to meetings with some of these guys. DUers could totally do undercover if they knew how to talk the talk.

Hell, take it further: I personally know very liberal guy who is totally playing the part of a fundie to keep his job at a fundie school. Have him claim that one of his middle-schoolers came to school with porn. It would be no more true than the legions of welfare queens.

blondatlast: I'm considering deleting this post and opening a secret forum (unassociated with DU) to get this started. I'm dead serious. Whattya think?

[blondeatlast]

19. Leave it here a while for the late-nighters and the early risers.

I'm usually on pretty early in the AM, too, and I'm in the West so I can give it a kick.

I really AM pretty much a goody-two shoes, even my hubby tells me that. I'm also a writer.

We need a major push to get it taken seriously, so we need to know there are lots of interested folks.

[iconoclastic cat]

20. Heard that story about Al Qaeda using images in porn to communicate?

Hell, we could make it WOT issue!

*******
http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/11/11004/1.html
Are terrorists using hidden messages?

Duncan Campbell 31.10.2001
Probably not. But western leaders, commercial opportunists, and incautious journalists, want us to believe what we cannot see.

download German Version

The media and some western governments have repeatedly suggested that the Al Qaeda network is organising terror using hidden messages sent through the media and on the internet. But the hidden message about Osama Bin Laden's operations is - there is no hidden message.

As the world's press confronts the problem of getting independent information out of Afghanistan, a combination of commercial opportunists, incautious journalists, and western leaders have been making and repeating claims that Osama bin Laden and his terrorist supporters have been sending coded messages through the internet and other media. US national security adviser Condoleezza Rice and British prime ministerial spokesman Alastair Campbell have been joined by internet security software salesmen and intelligence pundits in issuing highly-publicised warnings that these communications systems might be being used to order the next terrorist attack.

What the claims have in common is that none of the companies, commentators or government spokespeople have been able to point to any messages containing secret terrorism instructions, whether in a bin Laden video or, as some reports have claimed, in pictures displayed on internet porn sites.
***********

[conflictgirl]

30. That's just an excuse...

For the FBI and Dept of Homeland Security to spend time on the job looking at porn. "But we're looking for hidden messages from al-Qaeda, really!"

[Bouncy Ball]

21. Even people who vote republican will freak the HELL

OUT if they do that. A LOT of repukes love their porn.

The third option on the poll cracked me the hell up.

[iconoclastic cat]

22. I really can't talk porn around a puppy.

/kidding

Think about that fake organization, though: even if it were outed eventually, there would be enough nutballs who would already be totally committed to the idea that we could just sit back and laugh while they do all the work!

[MrScorpio]

23. The cat is out of the bag

Porn is BIG time and too many mega-corps with their fingers around the till.

What we have here is a case of the Repugs throwing red meat in the general direction of their base. The religio-fundie fucknuts

I'm a huge porn hound, and I know that I can get porn anywhere.

AN-Y-WHERE.

They're blowing smoke up our asses.

So until they start sending people to jail for something that is PLAINLY CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED SPEECH, we really don't have anything to worry about.

Once the fuckers are out of office, people with stop being scared about this.

[iconoclastic cat]

24. No, no, no---read the whole thread, MrS! Tell me if my idea makes sense!

[MrScorpio]

25. Let them try it

The backlash will kick them in the ass.

One thing about down south, they love their porn as much as they love their guns.

Check out Atlanta some time.

[Huckebein the Raven]

35. I can attest to that MrS

Check out Nashville as well. The World's Largest Adult Bookstore comes to mind

( Okay, bad choice of words :evilgrin: )

:D

[mongo]

41. People are ALREADY going to jail for obscenity

http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/ceos/pressreleases.html

http://www.family.org/cforum/fosi/pornography/ljaei/a0026805.cfm

[WLKjr]

26. I am for banning porn now since I have a g/f

</sarcasm>

[DesEtoiles]

27. they will ban BEER

[sharman]

28. Naw, it'll be birth control

They'll go after the birth control pill, and that just might be the straw that wakes the sleeping camel.

Birth control pills sometimes work by preventing implantation of a fertilized egg. That's why the movement by fundie pharmacists to not dispense the pill--they say it's abortion. And you can't deny the logic: if you decide that human life begins at conception (among other things, the reason to oppose the morning after pill), then you gotta oppose birth control pills.

Oh yes, and fertility clinics too. They destroy thousands of unwanted embryos. Let's start a group to start picketing, bombing fertility clinics.

[Chovexani]

31. No way will it ever happen

The internet is really really great
For porn
I’ve got a fast connection so i don’t have to wait
For porn
There's always some new site,
For porn!
I browse all day and night
For porn!
It's like i’m surfing at the speed of light
For porn!

(Okay, I seriously had nothing to add, but I just wanted an excuse to quote the best goddamn musical ever)

[Neshanic]

32. Can't vote? No response. No "Survivor" riots will ensue.

This is why I think that we really need to take it to the next level. Really wake the country up.

Form a think tank and policy group to start what would be the "New American Values".

Propose that all networks immediately cease any depiction of sex. Pressure all networks to have all shows that show any kind of sexual ineuendo, portrayal, story, or implied non-traditional relationship be zero-tolerance based.

All programming on cable, such as MTV, would be under immediate pressure to stop all videos, and programming that is considered vulgar. Of course this would leave dead air.

The point is they wnat censorship. Lets give them censorship. Give them the whole pie. Let them gorge on the fact that ALL questionble programming must stop and will be stopped.

Forge a relationship with "Focus on the Family" and really end programming on US televsion and cable as we know it today.

Then you will see. Then you have their attention.

[Huckebein the Raven]

33. They could try but it won't happen

The powers that be are not going to let them sink a billion dollar industry. They may use these rubes to benefit their interests but they worship the all mighty dollar above all else.

[uncle ray]

34. you're not too far off.

i read a year or so back, an article by Larry Flynt if i remember right, addressing the * misadministration, and how they were actually gearing up for a big attack on the porn industry...right before 9/11 conveniently happened and gave them much more direct ways to stifle our rights.

the exact same thing has happened with fringe drug industries, i know glass blowers who did great business blowing pipes five years ago, but hung it up, at least the paraphenelia part of the business, early in the * years. there WERE big busts of legit businesses, remember Tommy Chong, he got busted for selling perfectly legal pipes.

it's happening, many people have been spooked by *, unfortunatly these people are largely not politically active, and if they were, they are just as unlikely to vote for the dem party as they are the rethugs. the democratic party needs to wake the fuck up and stand up for people that have nobody else to stand up for them, take it from someone who has spent more time smoking pot and perusing porn than studying politics. fucking DO something for us, and you'll have all the votes you need.

[BlueIris]

36. Man. Such a TOUGH call for me.

I had to choose "fake group to promote this idea." MInd you, I've got nothing against porn...well, the things I do have against it I deal with by not buying or watching pornography. It's not that I'm "above" it, but it no longer does anything for me. To the people who do like/need/use it? Okay. More power to you. I guess. It's a live and let live kind of thing. I just feel the need to point that out before stating that the other option I wanted to click was the one predicting no one from the Bush supporting crowd would ever try to ban porn because too many of the alleged opponents of porn use it regularly themselves. Because--yeah. A fake group promoting this idea could catch on, though. Lots of opportunity for the real supporters of that concept to suffer major backlash. Just look what happened to Antonia Fraser--and she had "legitimate" reasons for wanting to ban it. (Note: I really don't support banning porn, or Fraser's arguments for doing that.) This idea has real potential.

[TorchTheWitch]

37. they'd never touch this issue

There's a reason why they haven't seriously tried before... they already know they'd lose. I believe they tested this with Jimmy Carter when it was discovered he liked his Penthouse/Playboy, and it backfired big time. They'll never go there again. For centuries naked women to whom you were not married was a good thing. The vast majority of porn is directed towards mens' pleasure, and even fundie repukes will defend to their last breath what gives men pleasure - Always. Now, if the vast majority of porn was directed towards womens' pleasure... well, that would be a whole different story.

[kenny blankenship]

42. Yeah, unfortunately you're right

they have an instinctual sense of what they cannot do; even if it's what they most want to do, they avoid it.

If porn was primarily a market response to the appetites of female sexuality then you're right, they would attack it relentlessly even if it made them unpopular.

I think we have to hope though that they forget their usual limits and go for an all out attack on porn, drunk on power. I fear however that what they'll do instead is (continue to) select their targets: dildoes, gay porn, ethnic porn and market responses to minority sexual appetites (like explicit rap) and use all those as wedge issues.

[flvegan]

39. Nope. Know why? The church needs something to save us from or

they're out of business. Gays and lesbians? Eh, if you don't know one, you don't need to be saved from them. Hell? Eh, too far off. Go to church, no Hell for you. Porn? Now there's something that's eeeeeeeverywhere, permeating society like mold.

Besides, a ban on porn would leave too much free time for church officials, and their computers would lay dormant.

[redqueen]

40. No, the corps that make $$$ piping into homes / hotel rooms donate to GOP

The fundies may try it, but I think $$$ will win out. The fundie stuff is just used by those at the top to goad enough people into voting for them so they'll win... they don't actually believe it.

However they may make a good show of it... lots of court drama so they can milk the most $$$ from the people who buy into it.

As with abortion, they'll never actually change anything, because then why would the devotees fork over the $$$?

[mongo]

43. So, are you going to pay for my legal expenses?

Obsenity is not illegal to posess, just to produce and distribute.

I can be arrested for any of the 1500+ movies in my inventory. Up to 1 year in prison (1st offense) under state law, up to 5 years under federal law.

Everyone thinks that these "big companies" are making their profits on porn, but for comcast, time-warner, directTV, etc. it is a small percent of their profits. They aren't going to be the ones charged anyway.

It will be the actual film companies and the adult store chains, just like under Reagan/Bush 1. Several peoples lives were ruined. If Clinton hadn't been elected, I think that your local adult book store wouldn't exist anymore. They have just picked up again where they left off.

The problem for them is that it is harder than ever to get a conviction out of a jury. I think it really threw them for a loop when the judge in Pa. ruled that the obscenity laws were unconstitutional. But of course, this only affects a small portion of the country, and indictments continue across the country.