Why are our leaders apoligizing for telling the truth?

[sasquatch]

Harry Reid just apologized for telling the truth about what Bush is doing to the country.
:eyes:
http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2005/May-06-Fri-2005/news/reid.html
And they wonder why we lose election after election.
Cowards.

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1. he can apologize all he wants

as long as he keeps speaking the truth!

[sasquatch]

2. But apologing means that he's wrong

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3. i'm sorry, no, it doesn't

[sasquatch]

6. Yes it does because that's how people see it

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10. like i said, not a problem if he keeps speaking the truth

then it looks like the apology is just to keep rove quiet while continuing to press the attack

[sasquatch]

12. But it won't keep Rove quiet

Rove is an animal that would kill his own mother if he thought it would give him something.

[doodadem]

4. I've heard it said that Democrats

are always polite. They will listen to an opposing viewpoint.
Republicans just keep yelling louder and louder to drown you out.
It's like the old adage about how a Democrat will scratch and claw to climb the ladder, then when they get to the top, they'll send an elevator back down. A Republican pulls the ladder up after them...

[Generator]

5. I'm so with you

I heard this piece of crap story on my local news. NEVER ever appolgize to THEM would be a nice place to start for our leaders. You can appolgize to individual non govermental citizens, whole cultures, whatever, but not to any Republican in office. That would be a start. I've been watching how the other side operates. Here's their playbook in a nutshell.

Bullies win.

When will we understand you don't back down to bullies?

[sasquatch]

7. Not until Howard Dean stats bitch slapping Democrats around

[electricray]

8. I think the apology was a good way to get the truth on TV

If he hadn't apologized, the press might have just looked away, but since they have a Democrat looking concilliatory (sp?) they might actually give the original quote some legs. I also think it was a good backhanded apology anyway. Talking about the president being out of the country and describing him as sleeping is a good way to forward the Bush-as-slacker image. Then he even took it a step further and mentioned apologiozing to Rove as if Rove is the one pulling the strings (which is true anyway.).

[sasquatch]

9. That's nuance and 75% of Americans don't even know what that is

[electricray]

23. Nuance is a word used by Rebubs...

to make the 75% of Americans who don't directly recognize political manipulation, disavow good information delivered in an intelligent manner.

The thing is, no one on this site saw Reid as weak after the initial comment and the only people who think the apology shows weakness are right-wing political analysts looking for any opportunity to try to sell even more of that image to the morons that already believe Dems are weak anyway.

I trust Reid because he has taken some really positive steps. He has started fighting back rhetorically and we haven't done that for a long time. I don't believe Reid is a centrist and that is the only faction of the Democratic Party that really scares me.

I totally agree that it is being spun to make Reid look like a frightened child who just said "Fuck" but keep in mind Bush looks like a moron to any thinking individual in this country and he has an army of idiots who believe that everything he does is part of the plan. We have been burned believing that in the past but I still believe our trust is imperative if we want any shot at winning our country back. Not the unchecked trust that Repubs offer Bush but at least tacit trust and solidarity.

[sasquatch]

25. The American people view apologizing as admitting to a mistake

And Harry Reid didn't make a mistake or lie so apologizing is a weakness in his case.

[AzDar]

11. Generally, when you are right (correct) about everything, you can afford

to be courteous...One need only be like Rush Blowhard (yelling, interrupting,spinning,lying) when one has nothing else to offer.
That being said...playing the "we are above that philistine-like behavior" game is getting a bit tiring; the Republicans COUNT on it now. Makes us look wimpy. It's time to shout the unpleasant truth from the rooftops:
"THEY ARE LYING,THIEVING FUCKS"..with No apologies.

[TNOE]

13. When Dick Cheney can say "Fuck Off" on the floor

of the Senate or Congress or whatever it was and NOT offer an apology - instead said "I feel better" - to hell with them. Dems should offer NO APOLOGIES if they believe what they are saying. Saying Bush is a "Loser" is a belief - why apologize for it.

[sasquatch]

14. Damn straight, No remorse, no regret, no quit till we get respect.

[Avalux]

15. I don't think he really apologized -

"I called Karl Rove and apologized" - that made me chuckle. I think that may have been the intention. Reid is a clever fellow.

[sasquatch]

16. Huh???

:shrug:

[Avalux]

18. Read this from the article:

After the statement was released, Reid phoned the Review-Journal to acknowledge he thought he crossed the line.

"You know the president is in Europe, probably sleeping," Reid said in an interview this afternoon. "But I called (Karl) Rove and apologized for what I said."
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Don't you find a bit of sarcasm in this? Why the hell call Karl Rove and apologize??

[sasquatch]

19. Most americans don't get that but I do

That's the problem.

[katinmn]

22. I certainly do, Rove is calling the shots

[seabeyond]

17. 3 hr conversation with fundie friend, democrat apologized

for calling bush a loser. the man said this in the heat of passion and immediately called rove and apologized, said he had gone too far.

as

justice sunday called me satan. as cheney tells me i am other faith. as ministers stand on pulpit and says kerry is not a christian, is a murderer. as my children are being attacked. (they went to a fundie school)

reid apologizing was perfect with the points i was trying to get across to friend how over board the religious and republicans have gone. and how it is not both parties doing it

i would suggest you use this example as a difference between the two parties instead of yelling about it

[katinmn]

20. "Quarrels end, but words once spoken never die"

- African proverb

We know that Senator Harry Reid of Nevada believes GWB is a "loser."

He apologized for the loss of decorum, not that he changed his mind. :)

[mwb970]

21. Saying it then apologizing got the point across.

I no longer assume anything Reid does is dumb or counter-productive. He seems to play this game pretty well.

[Geek_Girl]

24. I agree with you

Reid's the shrewdest politician I've seen in a long time and I believe his anti-bush comments and apologies are part of his strategy.

It's like a guy kicking you in the teeth, then saying "OOps sorry." Then kicking you in the nuts "Oops again."