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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:33 PM
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Gagged, but not dead (New article by Sibel Edmonds)
Gagged, But Not Dead

By Sibel Edmonds

<snip>

In the past three years, I have been threatened; I have been gagged several times; I have continuously been prevented from pursuing my due process; all reports and investigations looking into my case have been classified; and every governmental or investigative authority dealing with my case has been shut up. According to legal experts familiar with my case, the level of secrecy and classification in my court case and the attitudes and handling of the court system in dealing with my case is unprecedented in the entire U.S. court history. According to other experts I am one of the most, if not the most, gagged woman anybody knows of or has heard of. Why?

Those of you who still think this case, my case, is about covering up some administrative blunder or bureaucratic mismanagement, please think again.

Those of you who may think that my Kafkaesque case, the unprecedented secrecy, is due to some justified and official higher reasons, please think again.

Those of you who may think that our government, our entrusted leaders, may have an ongoing investigation of criminals involved, please think again.

The Office of Inspector General for the Department of Justice, in its ‘unclassified report,’ has confirmed my core allegations. What were those core allegations, and who did they involve? Not only some low-level terrorist or terrorist organization; not only some ‘maybe’ critical foreign entities. No; trust me; they would not go to this length to protect some nobody criminal or terrorist.


More at:

http://www.justacitizen.com/articles_documents/May14-05-Gagged%20but%20not%20Dead.htm
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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:48 PM
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1. Nominated.
Go Sibel!
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teach1st Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:49 PM
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2. Nominated
Heroic woman.
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:51 PM
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3. Nominated!
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ROH Donating Member (521 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:55 PM
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4. Nominated
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 09:57 PM
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5.  I am gagged, but not dead; not yet.
Nominated!
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MelissaB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:00 PM
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6. It's on BuzzFlash now, too.
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roscoeroscoe Donating Member (213 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:02 PM
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7. stunning.
brave, brave, woman. calling john grisham, calling richard north patterson... truth is stranger than fiction. write the story of sibel edmonds as a movie script, let a beautiful actress portray this brave woman.
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 11:52 PM
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14. Great Idea!
Who to play Sibel?

It would a least get a little press.

-Hoot
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:14 PM
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8. The ending gagged but not dead; not yet. seems ominous
considering the "not yet" is set apart from the rest of the sentence.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:19 AM
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19. Probably not a good idea for Sibel
to accept any offers of rides in small airplanes for the next little while. I am glad to see that she appears ready to carry on the fight. As other have remarked, she is a remarkably courageous individual to keep plugging away at this in spite of the way the gutless, establishment toadies in the lamestream, corporate media refuse to acknowlege her or her fight to expose treason and criminal wrong doing at some of the highest levels of the US government.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 10:04 AM
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27. I am too. There must be some serious info. hidden behind the
black ink here for a whistleblower to stick her neck out like this.
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:31 PM
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35. nuclear black market related underground activities??? eom
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CantGetFooledAgain Donating Member (635 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:14 PM
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9. Nominated (n/t)
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:31 PM
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10. Powerful piece
Nominated & :kick:




Keith’s Barbeque Central

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dbeach Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:36 PM
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11. "How do I luv thee ..let me count the ways.."
WHADDA GAL!" No; trust me; they would not go to this length to protect some nobody criminal or terrorist."

POWER HOUR!

"Many are called..few are chosen.."
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 09:47 AM
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26. The harder they fight to cover it up,
it's probably safe to assume the higher up the corruption goes.
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 10:38 PM
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12. Was at her website earlier. They turned their backs on her.
Edited on Sat May-14-05 10:38 PM by AuntiBush
I admire that woman. She has truly inspired me with her courage.

Let's hope things turn for her.

On Edit: The Judges turned her down 3 times; not her supporters.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-14-05 11:11 PM
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13. Nominated
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:12 AM
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16. it would be nice if she had more supporters
especially here

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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:17 AM
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23. Anyone that they are trying to stifle that hard has the goods!
Edited on Sun May-15-05 03:18 AM by djmaddox1
She seems to be kinda dropping hints, do they ring any bells? If people could figure it out would it provide her w/some protection?

-------
"...a little bit of critical thinking."

snip/
It is way past time for a little bit of critical thinking. The Attorney General cites two reasons to justify the unconstitutional and panic driven assault on me and my case. Reason one: To protect certain diplomatic relations - not named since obviously our officials are ashamed of admitting to these relations. Reason two: To protect certain U.S. foreign business relations. Let’s take each one and dissect it (I have given up on our mass media to do that for us!). For reason one, since when is the Department of Justice, the FBI, in the business of protecting ‘US sensitive diplomatic relations?’ They appear to be acting as a mouthpiece for the Department of State. Now, that’s one entity that has strong reasons to cover up, for its own self, what will end up being a blunder of mammoth scale. Not internationally; not really; it is the American people and their outrage they must be worried about; they wouldn’t want to have a few of their widely recognized officials being held criminally liable; would they?

As for reason two, I can assure you that the U.S. foreign business relations they may be referring to are not among those that benefit the majority of the American people; a handful of MIC entities and their lobbying arms can by no means be considered that, can they? In fact, the American people, their national safety and security, and their best interests are being sacrificed for a handful of those with their foreign business interest. Also, since when are nuclear black market related underground activities considered official U.S. foreign business; one may wonder? If you want to have the answers to these questions, please approach your Congress and ask your representatives for hearings - not behind closed doors quasi hearings - but open, public hearings where these questions can be asked and answered.

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Department of State = widely recognized officials being held criminally liable = officials are ashamed of admitting to these relations

MIC entities and their lobbying arms = nuclear black market related underground activities

What is an 'MIC entity'?

on edit: recommended
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acmejack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:45 AM
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24. MIC = Military Industrial Complex
Ya think? I think aipac is a player, they have their fingers in every pie & especially our intelligence agencies. Notice how their latest spying case has been buried...
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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:32 PM
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36. yeppers -- that seemed like it was going somewhere until they shut it down
is this a spill?
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 12:23 AM
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38. Thanks, that was kinda obvious AFTER you pointed it out! LOL
I'm not too good on crossword puzzles, either! (only stupid question is the one unasked, yes?) Next stupid question ... would they seriously prosecute her if she just spilled it all? If this is as bad as it sounds, she is a patriot. Wouldn't she be safer to just get it out so they have no reason left to cause her harm? Our government doing an Ollie North/Reagan black market nuclear kinda deal (sounds like) should be a defense for breaking any gag order. Can they actually charge her for ratting out acts of treason (which is what it's sounding like)?

(I'm not asking if they've sunk that low, that stupid question I already know the answer to! She would be risking her freedom by talking, but it seems like she's risking even more by not? Or would she be more at risk if in custody, waiting to testify, to cover their trail?)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:05 AM
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15. fill the appropriate inboxes, and don't forget your friends and
families.

Keep the story out there, keep her name in front of the public. It spreads the story, and protects her.
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stickdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:33 AM
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17. kick (nt)
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:35 AM
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18. Sibel Edmonds - a true American hero
nt
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:08 AM
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20. I love this women....now, would you repeat that?
"Also, since when are nuclear black market related underground activities considered official U.S. foreign business; one may wonder?"
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:09 AM
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21. Nominated
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:15 AM
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22. I forgot to add: nominated!!
Edited on Sun May-15-05 03:15 AM by G_j
please everyone help keep this story in the light.
You know when they are trying so hard to squash this, that Sibel Edmonds is close to the heart of something.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 07:49 AM
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25. kicked and nominated
:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 12:07 PM
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28. kick!
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understandinglife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:32 PM
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29. Nominated. Front page material. (nt)


www.missionnotaccomplished.us - Be it MNA Day 3 or 8 or 15 or .... the day will come when 10s of millions of Americans and others stop their typical activities for 24 hours and urge 10 times that many to join should another MNA Day be required. On that glorious day America will have begun truly to be "America," again.

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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:16 PM
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31. Suggestion for helping Sibel.
Up here in the land of Polar Bears, igloos and snowshoes, aka The Great White North or Soviet Canuckistan, there's a relatively new TV news magazine type show called The Hour on CBC Newsworld hosted by a young and very "hip" type personality, George Stromboulopoulos. See www.cbc.ca/thehour for information and video clips from past shows.

The show appears to be attracting a lot of younger type viewers (it looks like it is aimed at that demographic) and George, the host, looks like he is trying to make his show stand out from the crowd and have a certain edginess and "we'll cut through the BS" type air about it.

George recently interviewed James Kunstler the author of the book and the article in Rolling stone "The Long Emergency" about Peak Oil and the deleterious effect it will likely have on society. This has been the only appearance that I have seen of Kunstler on mainstream Canadian television programing so far.

I'd like to suggest to DUers following the Sibel Edmonds case and wanting to help Sibel in any way we can that we email The Hour at thehour@cbc.ca (or use The Hour's feedback form at http://www.cbc.ca/thehour/contactus.html ) and suggest they investigate and do a story on Sibel.

True it's not a US show, but there are many people in the US along the Canadian border who watch our Canadian channels and any bleed over of information from Canada to the US can only help in getting the word out to a wider audience in the US as well as putting pressure on the corporate media whores in the US to cover this story. I believe the chances are way higher that an email campaign could get the CBC to cover a story like this than one of the corporoately controlled US media outlets. If the CBC gives it some coverage it could serve as the first crack in the damn of the US media coverup.


Here's the email I sent to The Hour requesting they cover the Sibel
Edmonds story:

Hi George,

Have you been following the case of the ex-FBI translator and whistle blower Sibel Edmonds? Ms Edmonds has been fighting gag orders first instituted by then US Attorney General John Ashcroft to silence her outspoken criticism of important breakdowns in security within the FBI translation unit prior to 911. She claims that sabotage, espionage and coverups of the same by her superiors within the FBI led to important intelligence about the 911 attacks being ignored and not acted upon in a timely manner. Furthermore, she also implies that the evidence she saw while working as a translator indicated that some leading US political and government agency figures were involved in drug smuggling and money laundering activities
which were tied to the 911 attackers.

Ms. Edmonds has just released a new article on her web site after being stymied once again by the US courts after she attempted to get the gag orders against her lifted. Here's a brief snip from her latest article, "Gagged, But Not Dead" posted on her web site.

Quote:

<Here I quoted the snip from her article used above at the start of this thread>

More at:
http://www.justacitizen.com/articles_documents/May14-05-Gagged%20but%20not%20Dead.htm

Also see this recent story on the Sibel Edmonds' case:

FBI linguist won’t deny intelligence intercepts tied 911 drug money to U.S. election campaigns

by Tom Flocco

Washington -- April 25, 2005 -- TomFlocco.com -- Former FBI contract
translator and whistleblower Sibel Edmonds and her attorneys were ordered removed from the E. Barrett Prettyman U.S. Courthouse so that a three-judge U.S. Court of Appeals panel could discuss her case in private with Bush administration lawyers.

Sibel Edmonds was fired for reporting information she uncovered in the
FBI's translation unit In an exclusive interview on Saturday, we
asked Edmonds if she would deny that laundered drug money linked to the 911 attacks found its way into recent House, Senate and Presidential campaign war-chests, according to what she heard in intelligence intercepts she was asked to translate.

"I will not deny that statement; but I cannot comment further on it," she told TomFlocco.com, in a non-denial denial.

Edmonds is appealing the Bush administration’s arcane use of "state
secrets privilege," invoked last year to throw out her U.S. District Court lawsuit alleging retaliation for telling FBI superiors about shoddy wiretap translations and allegations that wiretap information was passed to the target of an FBI investigation. Given our multiple reports and numerous other interviews, Edmonds heard much more--but enough to warrant public suppression of criminal evidence by a wholly Republican appeals court panel?

"Tom, I’m telling you that not a single newspaper covered what happened to me on Thursday when I went into court," said the exasperated translator, adding, " Ginsberg kicked everyone out, cut off my lawyer’s arguments and told us ‘we have questions to ask the government’s attorneys that you cannot hear.’ "


More at:
http://tomflocco.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=109


Ms. Edmonds is not a crank. Her allegations have received support from the Office of the Inspector General of the US Department of Justice and two US senators.

From Sibel Edmond's web site www.justacitizen.org :

..we fear that the designation of information as classified in some cases serves to protect the executive branch against embarrassing revelations and full accountability... Releasing declassified versions of these reports, or at least portions or summaries, would serve the public’s interest, increase transparency, promote effectiveness and efficiency at the FBI, and facilitate Congressional oversight." U.S. Senators Patrick Leahy (D-VT) and Charles Grassley (R-IA) in a Letter to Attorney General John Ashcroft

I hope you will investigate this important story and report on it to The Hour's viewers.

Regards
Brian Clarke

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Lady Effingbroke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 01:39 PM
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30. Nominated!
What a courageous woman. I am inspired and humbled by her courage.
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The Time is Now Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 02:51 PM
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32. Nominated. N/T
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bushcrab Donating Member (137 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:18 PM
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33. If only our Congress had half the courage of this woman
The three Appellate Court judges actually kicked her out of her own hearing so that they could discuss things in private, secretly, with the pack of Bush lawyers. No press was allowed, no public, and no explanation...... they just sent her home again. And they call this the Dept. of Justice???!

Imagine walking in Sibel Edmonds' shoes right now. She's in it pretty deep now, and still continues to press forward with it. Is it not time for us to go out of our way for this great patriot, for all the sacrafices she's made in an attempt to get the truth heard.

Is a round of letters to our Congresspeople, to our Senators, asking too much?



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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:30 PM
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34. "since when are nuclear black market related underground activities..."
since when are nuclear black market related underground activities considered official U.S. foreign business; one may wonder?

huh?

is this what this is about? anyone else think that's a weird line? did i miss this in prior stories on her case? this is the first i've heard of underground, black market nuclear stuff!
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Babel_17 Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 06:16 PM
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37. Nominated and I'm posting it elsewhere
We need as much media coverage of the context behind this as we can get.

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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 07:54 AM
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39. monday kick..
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Auntie Bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-16-05 08:50 AM
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40. Everyone needs to read this! We need her report made public.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 11:17 AM
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41. kick this entire week nt
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:53 PM
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42. Brass ovaries
From the OP link:

It is way past time for a little bit of critical thinking. The Attorney General cites two reasons to justify the unconstitutional and panic driven assault on me and my case. Reason one: To protect certain diplomatic relations - not named since obviously our officials are ashamed of admitting to these relations. Reason two: To protect certain U.S. foreign business relations. Let’s take each one and dissect it (I have given up on our mass media to do that for us!). For reason one, since when is the Department of Justice, the FBI, in the business of protecting ‘US sensitive diplomatic relations?’ They appear to be acting as a mouthpiece for the Department of State. Now, that’s one entity that has strong reasons to cover up, for its own self, what will end up being a blunder of mammoth scale. Not internationally; not really; it is the American people and their outrage they must be worried about; they wouldn’t want to have a few of their widely recognized officials being held criminally liable; would they?

As for reason two, I can assure you that the U.S. foreign business relations they may be referring to are not among those that benefit the majority of the American people; a handful of MIC entities and their lobbying arms can by no means be considered that, can they? In fact, the American people, their national safety and security, and their best interests are being sacrificed for a handful of those with their foreign business interest. Also, since when are nuclear black market related underground activities considered official U.S. foreign business; one may wonder? If you want to have the answers to these questions, please approach your Congress and ask your representatives for hearings - not behind closed doors quasi hearings - but open, public hearings where these questions can be asked and answered. (end)




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Generator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 01:59 PM
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43. The most important woman in America
May God (not you, demiurge, the real one) help her.
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-17-05 04:59 PM
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44. kick...over all the newsweek junk. nt
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45. .
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