Young Repuke "explains" why they are not volunteering for war

[katinmn]

LTTE:

Support is enough

As a young Republican who has a bumper sticker indicating support for President Bush and his policies but is not lining up at military recruiting offices, I feel compelled to respond to a May 19 letter.

Supporting a policy does not mean one has to become directly involved. A heterosexual who supports gay marriage would not marry someone of the same sex just because he or she supports gay marriage.

The same holds true for those who support the war: Just because one supports the troops does not mean he or she has to enlist.

Sarah Kirby, Bloomington.

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D'OH! Another brainwashed Repuke who grew up on Limbaugh.

[RebelAgainstEmpire]

1. I agree

Who wants to be a part of the imperial army? You could die. Good for her.

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. If she supports the "imperial army" her ass should be on the front line

in Iraq. She wants war? Go fight it. Let the people who want peace live. How long would the repukes support this warmongering cabal if they knew THEY were the only ones who had to fight it? NOT VERY LONG.

[RebelAgainstEmpire]

16. Obviously

But she's smart. If a war can be fought without your services, but you like the idea of American exceptionalism, why would you go fight? That wouldn't make sense.

As long as we can have stickers that remind us to support the troops, that's good enough. Mindlessly putting that type of message on your car is the only sane way to go. Don't worry about why you need a sticker to remind people to support those troops.

[Arkana]

97. I salute you for being the King of Sarcasm.

:P

[journalist3072]

94. Thank you!!! You're absolutely right!

[katinmn]

7. She supports the racist poverty draft

[aion]

92. And probably the 'Army or Prison' option

She probably also supports the idea of sending some criminals into the Army rather than prison.

[Booster]

108. Actually I do support giving felons the choice of doing 2 years

in Iraq to say 10 years in prison - mind you, I said giving them the choice. If I were facing 10 years in prison for drugs, I might opt to go to Iraq instead.

[Toots]

39. That is the stupidist thing I have read here lately

If you support war you had best be prepared to go fight in it. Killing people is in a whole different league than loving someone. You want war you best be ready to back it up. If you aren't be prepared to be called what they are Cowards and Loudmouthed bullies.

[bvar22]

75. She only supports the WAR...

...if OTHER people actually have to bleed an die.

She just wants to stay home and watch her PORTFOLIO increase with the massive spending in the armaments industry.

[immoderate]

107. Spectator sport mentality.

Hey, I support the Giants. That doesn't mean I have to suit up and get ground into the dirt. I'll just stay over here on the sidelines and yell a little when it's appropriate.

War is kind of like sports anyway, right?:shrug:

--IMM

[thebigidea]

109. you're against empire but your sig links support it?

something tells me its not irony.

you're on the wrong website if you're a fan of the fucking American Enterprise Institute.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

2. Breathtaking rationalization of the ultimate hypocrisy.n/t

MKJ

[Berserker]

6. Nothing like the smell of a

Chickenhawk early in the morning.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

8. LOL, eggsellent! n/t

MKJ

[acmejack]

69. hawk?!?

nt

[Democrat 4 Ever]

11. The president of the Young Republicans on the campus where

I attended school last year (both of us Poly Sci majors so we had a lot of classes together over the years) told me with an absolutely straight face - "Joining the military is not MY destiny in supporting this country. I am going to law school and then join the government later and run for office. I am going to change the country from within." We had a friendly, talk in class relationship but I told him that he was a chickenshit chicken hawk that was talking the talking but couldn't begin to walk the walk. That during World War I, WWII, Korea and the Viet Nam war millions of people put their lives on hold because of the war, enlisted and fought because they knew the real meaning of supporting freedom and their country. Told him he was the worst kind of repug - that he was just in it for the money and was letting others do his supporting for him. And that he was no better than Chimpy.

This guy is smart, glib, Joe College from the top of his carefully styled coif, button down shirt, pressed khakis to the tip of his penny loafers but he did not have one ounce of understanding anything about this country but what it could do for him. I told him he should be ashamed. We somehow still managed a friendly in-class relationship (he was always needing my notes - he was too busy with political stuff to attend all the classes) but he never, ever try to engage in any type of political conversation again.

[Jose Diablo]

62. Always needing your notes?

Couldn't even do his own work, huh? In politics, I think he will fit right in. Sounds like chrome plated politician to me.

Where else could a guy like this make his way? And we look-up to politicians? Why is that?

He should be selling cars, not to insult honest automobile salesmen, or is that an oxymoron, a 'honest' automobile salesman?

[Shoeempress]

68. Remember this conversation and be sure it haunts any run he makes

for public office.

[mitchum]

100. Hell, be sure it haunts any phone calls she may receive

[prodigal_green]

81. If his ambitions are in politics

then he better sign up pronto or his patriotism will be questioned. Unless he is in the Bush family, in which opposite rules apply.

[mcscajun]

91. Keep a long-term watch on this guy...

...he should go very far in the Republican Party.

You might be able to make your retirement fund selling your memoirs, notes, and e-mails to the highest bidder.

"I am going to change the country from within." :wtf:

Doesn't he even GET that the thought there usually describes someone who Opposes the current regime?

:puke:

[MADem]

116. Little pecker, the military needs JAG officers, too

But hey, he might be assigned as a defense atty in the Green Zone. Too close for comfort? And if he wants to participate in government, I'd say the Department of Defense is as good a place as any to start.

Chickenshit chickenhawks, all of them.

[EFerrari]

3. The waters of that soul wouldn't even get your feet wet. n/t

[Mad_Dem_X]

4. In other words:

You, Sarah, are a hypocrite. Anybody can put a bumper sticker on their car. What good does that do, really? As the saying goes, put your money where your mouth is.

[bluestateguy]

9. In a deep ontological sense, she is right

But when the armed forces are having trouble meeting enlistment quotas, when a growing personnel crisis exists, when a war is not going very well for the United States, then it would seem to me that young people who support this war should be willing to sign up and enlist if their health permits it. No excuses.

[newportdadde]

10. This feels like

a strawman argument.

"Supporting a policy does not mean one has to become directly involved. A heterosexual who supports gay marriage would not marry someone of the same sex just because he or she supports gay marriage.
"

[all.of.me]

14. that caught my attention, too

you don't choose to be gay, but you DO choose your political party. apples and oranges.

[Kurovski]

70. If you're not gay, you can't be in a gay marriage,

But if you're able-bodied, and you want a war, you should put your money where your mouth is.

Duty calls, your country calls, because enlistment is down.

[all.of.me]

72. exactly

[Champion Jack]

12. Why not just boil it down to one word? Cowardice

[CJCRANE]

13. Bad analogy -

A gay marriage is purely an arrangement between two consenting adults and does not cause death. Invasion is generally non-consentual and lethal to large numbers of people.

[LightningFlash]

15. Probably not even born outside...

Not born outside of Fox News it sounds like. Join the war, that's what you are meant to do Sarah. You and all of your friends need to enlist and support the war.

[Maccagirl]

17. Dear little Sarah,

Let us know when you check into Hotel Reality.

[MarianJack]

18. In English, That Means...

...a yellow streak a mile wide!

[BiggJawn]

19. Bur she's too busy buying magic 911 teddy bears to enlist!

Sarah dear, your sainted bumper sticker has become a cliche, the Mark of the Ditto-Monkey, an ear-tag for the Murkan Sheeple...
In other words, a JOKE!

Go to the enlistment office and tell the used car salesman there you wanna join up, or STFU. Put up or shut up, girl, you think this war is good? Go join it.

[Atman]

20. The depth of her argument is compelling

When you look at the issue from her perspective, well, could you come to any other conclusion? Doing something requires actually doing something!



"Well, du-uuuh! Besidess, daddy said he'll get me that new Bimmer if I complete this semester, y'know. And then there's my job at Corn Dog Heaven to consider! The place would fall apart without me, and besides, my $75 a week allowance doesn't begin to cover my expenses! I mean, daddy doesn't even pay my whole cell phone bill, and he makes me buy my own iTunes pre-paid cards. Daddy can be such a dick. So that's why I support our troops. I'm helping the American economy. And George Bush is a strong leader who protects us from Saddam."

[SalmonChantedEvening]

21. Ah yes, the Dick Cheyney school of serving your country.

Other plans eh Sarah?


Bugawk!

[BR_Parkway]

22. Am I the only one who thought she meant it tongue in cheek to get

her point across? How many other "conservatives" would have ignored the letter if she said "I'm a Liberal...."

Perhaps the way to get the message out is to keep them from changing the channel first.

just like writing congress critters - I always go to F*ckus on the Family website and send a few from there, my reps are right down the party line RePugs and they are only going to listen to their "base". So anything that I can do that makes it look like they might lose that support, I try to. Dishonest? Probably, but sometimes you have to smack a mule up side the head with a 2x4 before you can get their attention long enough to make your point.

[trotsky]

27. That would be a keen strike if intended that way.

But I think she would have come up with an even lamer example than gay marriage if true sarcasm had been her intention.

[BR_Parkway]

29. I don't know. If you haven't followed the talking points, gay marriage

is the root of all evil, the source of all donations to the campaigns & churches and the US can all go back to Ozzie & Harriet if us kweers would just go back in the closet like normal Republicans do

[SmokingJacket]

60. Interesting thought!

Maybe I should write a bunch of idiotic letters to the editor and call myself a conservative... teehee

The risk would be that I might convince a few people who couldn't tell how idiotic the arguments were...

[Ganja Ninja]

23. Supporting war and supporting gay marriage doesn't compare.

Presumably people entering into a gay marriage do so voluntarily. Most combatants and noncombatants in a war aren't in it because they wanted to be there. It's an extremely weak rationalization for letting others back up your tough talk.

[chelsea0011]

24. I was willing to listen to her arguement, then she went the gay route

Repukes are obsessed with gays. And her letter shows her belief that being gay is a choice, like choosing to join the army.

[pgh_dem]

maybe a better analogy...

when the draft comes back?
;-)

[The Doctor.]

63. I'm stuck on this;

"So Sarah... you're saying that joining the armed forces for you would be the equivalent of 'turning gay'? So what you're saying is that bravery is not a choice and you are a natural born coward..."

"Is that right Sara?"

[hvn_nbr_2]

86. Nice retort. n/t

[DemBeans]

25. This is the best she could come up with?

What a shallow, ridiculous analogy. Isn't it amazing how Republicans can drag the subject of gay marriage into ANY topic?

When they have to engage in intellectual dishonesty (or just plain stupidity) in order to explain away their cowardice, you know they're starting to get jumpy about the drop-off in recruitment. You support the war, twit - end of story. Go fight it.

[mhr]

26. So What Does Supporting The Troops Really Mean

When

Republicans do not provide personal body armor,
Republicans withhold funds for armored Humvees,
Republicans cut back funds for Veteran's services,
Republicans introduce an unofficial draft via "Stop-Loss", and
Republicans will not send their Sons and Daughters to fight and die.

.......

The answer, placing a cheap yellow magnet on the family SUV.

[Generic Other]

28. That's like saying smiling at a homeless panhandler

is the same as giving him 100 bucks.

[shadowknows69]

30. so, then you're just a pussy

come on admit it. You love it when other people are taking bullets for deomcracy but you're a pussy. Besides why should you risk your self when there are plenty of poor people that will do the jobs that republicans won't do.

[Frederik]

31. Not good enough

Report for duty young man, or quit your whining and shut up!

[Frederik]

32. Em, young woman.

[Nihil]

33. Support the troops - become a field mattress!

She wouldn't even have to fight that way and it would be damn good
training for a career in politics!

:-)

[Catrina]

35. War hath no fury like the non-combatant!

She gives an excellent reason why right-wing war supporters should have no say in whether we go to war or not. And, what else could be expected from a supporter of an administration who were too cowardly to fight for their country in a war they also supported? And a president who set a perfect example for them, who couldn't even fulfill his duties, despite not being required to go to war himself? What an example they have set ~

[Deep13]

34. Support is a verb.

It implies action. Saying "I support whatever" is not support. How is she supporting the troops if not through enlistment?

Why did she choose the most devisive possible liberal issue as an example? More RW fear-mongering?

[Bill McBlueState]

66. saying "I support whatever"...

A good comeback to "I support the troops" would be

"How?"

As in, "Give me examples of what exactly you do to support the troops." I bet most of the Bushbots wouldn't have much to say at that point.

[CJCRANE]

36. Notice that

the analogy also implies that people who are pro-gay marriage are not pro-troops. She also connects pro-war and pro-troops as being the same thing.

[LynnTheDem]

37. And JUST BECAUSE ONE SUPPORTS THE TROOPS DOES NOT MEAN

HE OR SHE HAS TO SUPPORT BUSH OR HIS ILLEGAL BULLSHIT WAR.

DUHHHHHHH! Rightwingnut opens mouth, lets out idiocy & hypocrisy again.

Bet the moran never thought of that. Oh what am I saying!!!

They DON'T THINK PERIOD!

[wicket]

38. Ms Kirby is a CHICKENHAWK!!!!!!

SQUAWK! SQUAWK!

[Lorien]

40. One must be gay and in a committed relationship to participate in

gay marriage.If young repugs believe in their cause and feel that they understand it, then they also know that our military is short on warm bodies to send into war. They are EXACTLY the type of bodies needed for the effort, so there's simply no excuse for their lack of participation.

[spindoctor]

46. Exactly, that's the fallacy in her statement

Where do they come up with these one-liner arguments anyway?

Are there Republican sponsored workshops or summer camps where they are trained in responding in these bullshit terms?

[Lorien]

41. Link?

It would be fun to send off a few replies to this.

[katinmn]

45. Do it!

Ms Chickenshit's letter is the third one down
http://www.startribune.com/stories/563/5413359.html

Contact info and form for LTTEs
http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/2003227.html

[Solly Mack]

42. So Sarah Kirby supports torture since she supports Bush' policies

and his wars. From the comfort of her home, Sarah Kirby can support a lot of things that will never ever harm her because Sarah Kirby is the typical American coward...too afraid to put her ass where her mouth is...Sarah Kirby is the old men sending young men off to war...it's easier to let others die for your beliefs than it is to stand for them yourself...Sarah Kirby proves that her waving of the flag is a programmed response of the ignorant.

[leesa]

43. Sarah, you are a hypocritical coward.

[entanglement]

44. There's a flaw in your argument, Ms Sarah Freeplet

"The same holds true for those who support the war: Just because one supports the troops does not mean he or she has to enlist"

Support for the war DOES NOT EQUAL supporting the troops (it's the exact opposite, if anything)

[Donald Ian Rankin]

47. No, she's absolutely right.

I want people to risk their lives mining coal for me; I'm willing to pay people who are willing to do so, or to pay taxes to pay them, but there's no moral imperative for me to mine coal myself.

I think the war in Iraq is wrong, but there have been and (I'm sure) will be military actions which I have/will be in favour of, and I have absolutely no intention of joining the army. If you believe that you have to join the army if you support the Iraq war, you logically have to believe that you have to join it if you supported Kosovo, or Seirra Leone, or if you'd support a peacekeeping force going into Darfur.

I suspect a lot of people are simply taking the opportunity to vent anti-Republican spleen, rather than seriously considering the implications of what they're saying.

[Lorien]

49. We were not so short on soldiers during Kosovo

If you lived in a coal mining town and there was a severe shortage in coal miners-enough of a shortage to threaten your ability to use coal based energy-wouldn't you feel that it was your duty as a passionate lover of coal based energy to sign up as a miner? BushCo's misadventure in Iraq is dangerously short on manpower. These young repugs are exactly what BushCo needs-if they believe in America's actions overseas so deeply, then it is their duty to sign on since the Army is so short on volunteers.

[onenote]

50. no she's not

The justification for military actions in Kosovo, Sierra Leone, or, if it were to happen, Darfur, is not that the situations there are a
"threat to our homeland". But that's the justification that was given for getting into Iraq and, despite clumsy attempts to rationalize it as (i) bringing democracy to Iraqis or (ii) alleviating their suffering under the brutal regime of Saddam, the fact is that the underlying justification that the supporters of this war continue to give is that it is important for our national security. Well, I for one think the war is the threat to our national security. But if I thought our nation truly was at risk, I'd consider joining the military or otherwise directly contributing to the effort. But chickenshithawks like Sarah want the war plus no sacrifice.

onenote

[Lydia Leftcoast]

77. No, Donald, her situation is like someone who goes on and on

about how we need to help the homeless and then turns down an opportunity to volunteer at a charity that actually helps the homeless,

In other words, if you support a cause, you should be willing to do something concrete to further it.

[Enraged_Ape]

83. She supports the war, and she's perfectly capable of fighting it

There is no reason why she is INCAPABLE of participating.

On the other hand, I support gay marriage, but there is a good reason why I am incapable of being in a gay marriage: because I'm not gay.

[fob]

48. george bush*s POLICIES? That must be the worlds smallest bumper

sticker 'cuz that fucker* ain't got no policies!

[DemonFighterLives]

51. I feel like the Aflac duck listening to Yogi Berra

Huh!! If that is how she justifies things in her mind ah well.

AFLAC!

[adigal]

52. Dear Sarah:

Since you are not gay, and thus cannot enter into gay marriage, your analogy does not hold water. But you are in fact able to join the military.

Nice try, though,

[Lannes]

53. Havent heard their excuse yet..

[Kerrytravelers]

54. Just like her "leader." Loves war, let others do the bloody work.

[yankeedem]

55. She put a bumper sticker on her car,

God, what more can one person give? Give me a break!

[Up2Late]

56. Sarah Kirby must be catching a lot of crap in Bloomington.

I'm guessing it's Bloomington Indiana, one of the small pockets of blue in Indiana.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

61. No, Bloomington, Minnesota

second-ring suburb south of Minneapolis

[SmileyBoy]

71. Something weird is happening to Minnesota.

I don't know, it's like a weird stupid-ray being beamed on the state.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

78. One theory I've heard is that a lot of Texans moved up here

in the past twenty years.

This is certainly more the Plano, Texas spirit than the traditional Minnesota spirit.

[Up2Late]

106. I thinks it the Norm Coleman effect, that guy sucks

I think he's tight with KKKarl and Cheney.

I think the GOP is pushing hard to turn all the "too close to call" States Red.

[B Calm]

57. The little cowards all have ingrown hair follicles on their butts,,

[Lydia Leftcoast]

58. And here's her ideological brother from the same page

"I am nowhere close to being in the highest income tax bracket, but I still lament the amount of federal and state income taxes that I must involuntarily surrender with each paycheck.
I do not view these as necessary investments in the community. Individuals should have the right to spend their entire earnings as they see fit rather than having the government spend some of it.
I am in my 20s and upwardly mobile. It disturbs me that as I become more successful and make more money, the government says it's just fine to take an even greater bite out of wealth generated from a service I provide to my employer.
The left-wing attitude is that I should take my medicine and turn over this money since I can more easily afford it. Liberals and the Minnesota DFL promote this never-ending class envy and enact punitive tax laws for those who are most successful in life."

http://www.startribune.com/stories/563/5413359-2.html

Look for the heading "It's my money."

Good Lord, are these overgrown brats the result of Reagan-era parenting?

[Rob H.]

73. His final sentence pretty much sums it up

Wealth is not a four-letter word, and I should have the unfettered right to spend or invest 100 percent of it at my discretion.

Translation: Fuck all y'all, I got mine. Yeah, I know my taxes go to provide some health care to people who can't afford it, and they pay to maintain roads I drive my huge-ass, gas-suckin' Hummer down every day, and some of 'em pay for books and buildings and teacher salaries for the public school system (which I attended, but I ain't attendin' 'em no more, so goddamn, let me keep the part of my taxes that would pay for that), and they pay for the war that I strongly support but won't fight in. (Hey, I'm too busy makin' money and bein' all "upwardly mobile" 'n' shit.) It's my world, assholes--you're just livin' in it.

[tsuki]

74. If you support the war, it takes money.

[spanone]

59. Put your money where your mouth is, asshole.

[Hello_Kitty]

64. Umm Sarah...

I'm a straight person who supports gay marriage but won't enter one because I'M NOT GAY!!!

Now, on the other hand, if I were a healthy able-bodied person under the age 40 who heartily supported the war in Iraq but refused to enlist to help fight it, I'd be a BIG FAT FUCKING CHICKENHAWK HYPOCRITE!!

[Mandate My Ass]

65. The two situations could not be more different

Supporting gay marriage simply means allowing gays the same right to marry that straights already enjoy. The right and privilege to marry already exists for most of the US population. It's ridiculous to suggest one must engage in gay marriage in order for it to come about when the stroke of a legislator's pen is all that's needed. Your participation is meaningless.

Supporting Georgie's oil grab without being willing to engage in the ugly business of fighting for it, however, means someone else will have to fight, and possibly die, whether they believe in it or not. Your participation is putting your money where your mouth is and not forcing, or at the very least increasing the chances that someone else will do so. Participation very much required.

Get your pansy ass down to the recruiter's station, Ms. Kirby. I hope for your sake you fight better than you reason.

[laura888]

84. "Participation very much required."

Exactly!!!

[spunky]

67. sheesh. My signature has never seemed more appropriate.

[liberalitch]

76. just because i throw something in the air doesn't...

that I should look out to make sure it doesn't hit me in the head

[oasis]

79. "I believe the "War on Terror" protects me, but I don't want to fight it"

A cop out if there ever was one.:eyes:

[prodigal_green]

80. What a totally idiotic analogy!!

support for the war does not mean "supporting individual soldiers' right to invade an unarmed nation." in the way that supporting gay marriage means "supporting an individual's right to marry someone he or she loves."

My not being gay prevents me from marrying another woman.

Her being a coward prevents her from joining the military.

[yellowcanine]

82. Sounds a little touchy on the topic, no? I wonder how long it took her to

come up with that lame analogy. Hey Sarah, If one is a hetero, one doesn't really have the ability to become "gay" now do they? Nor do gays want you. But you COULD join the military. And they DO want you.
Game. Set. Match.

[Old and In the Way]

85. Spoken like a true Republican.

Must have had a momentary pang of conscience.....and needed to excise it. I'm sure that little meaningless missive will make her feel lots better about her self and her political hypocrisy.

[daydreamer]

87. That's very typical Rep. logic.

[demnan]

What is wrong with young people today?

When the kids went off to Viet Nam the college kids protested. They didn't sit back and say, "oh I support the war as long as my ass isn't there". They walked out of colleges, high schools, goddam, I even walked out of middle school to protest that war.

These fuckers don't have a clue. I hope all their asses are drafted.

[Mrs_Beastman]

88. That is the most absurd false logic I've heard in awhile

[true_notes]

89. Support for our soldiers is...

not supporting this war, but sitting in uniform serving my country...remembering those who have died, and respecting other's opinions at the same time. Support is a tug of war, to say the least.

[mcscajun]

90. This twisted Repub obviously flunked out of Logic class.

And is missing a Whole MESS of Brain Cells.

Guess drinking the Kool-Aid has some unpublicized side effects. :P

[dave123williams]

93. So, support is more of an abstract concept for him. I'm sure patriotism

is too.

[Arkana]

95. The key here is "supports the troops," Ms. Kirby.

"Support the troops" does not translate to "support the war." As much as you and your brainwashed Young Puke friends would love to believe that it does, it doesn't.

[msanthrope]

96. So, the Army is like a gay couple? Is that what she's saying? n/t

[moddemny]

98. If John Kerry had been elected........

and with the 15 months the army is currently offering, I would seriously consider going to go to Iraq. I am older now and do have some health problems (long story, but I grew up in New York before it was the safe town it is today and I had a head injury among other things from a fight I was in with a bunch of thugs.......) but if the military would be willing to work around them, I would seriously consider joining and I didn't vote for Bush. I really, really don't want to be in a position where I would have to kill anyone, but I do want America to get out of this mess successfully.

[DoYouEverWonder]

110. I'm sure your local recruiting office

can find some way to employ you, even if it's in a civilian position.

[mitchum]

99. Up against the wall with that self-serving chickenhawkette

[swag]

101. Like all analogies, this one is false.

Funny how the only form of argumentation the tiny minds of the right can find time for is the fable-bound false analogy.

[GoBlue]

102. In other words

a bumper sticker is all the support Bush and his policies can expect from Sarah. Sounds like she's stuck in park and ain't going anywhere.

[MrScorpio]

103. Draft those goddamned Republicans

Uncle Sugah is waiting!

[DoYouEverWonder]

111. That's fine Sarah

just as long as when the draft comes you do your duty and sign up. I'd hate to see you try to wiggle out of your patriotic duty, especially since I've opposed this war since it started and I have no intention of every letting Bu$hCo take my only son.

[thecorster]

104. i think bush

helped her co-write that.

[batsauce]

105. support

It kindof makes you think..
What if people had to personally support policies they mouth.

What if the anti-abortion crowd had to adopt every kid that wasn't aborted.
What if the anti-poverty crowd had to personally take in a homeless person
What if the pro-tax crowd had to pay all the increased taxes?
What if the anti-evolution crowd had to pay to re-educate all the the students?

It might make a difference.

[NVMojo]

112. the problem with sending these fuckers over there is they torture

for Jesus, er, I mean Bush, innocent people!!!

[Ksec]

113. Support is redefined by chickenhawk

"Its not that I wont join, its just that I dont wanna die in something I push"

Chickenhawk logic

[serryjw]

114. How is she going to feel when she gets drafted?

n/t

[MADem]

117. She's safe--that's what this NO DAMES IN COMBAT

horseshit is all about. It's like building a road...first get all the stuff that will impede the progress out of the way...and the big stopper on a draft is the female thing. If there is a law agin' it, then they can TARGET the draft to require that all draftees go directly to COMBAT units, not combat support.

If we don't stop them, the kids will be in the mix...they will HAVE to do it, or make enlistment requirements go so low quality, that we are putting morons and psychos in uniform.

[serryjw]

118. ....BUT all indications are they need

people in medical, IT, Arab languages..they are all support functions...probabaly not that far from a combat zone??

[MADem]

119. They can take those too

FROM EXISTING specialities. When someone goes in to be a corpsman, medic, whatever, the military trains 'em. But with a targeted draft, you just go after EMT's. Do a little googling, and you will learn that as part of the proposed DRAFT that they aren't admitting they are thinking about, they will require registrants to fill out, and UPDATE their skills regularly, on a fancy gov't form (we know all about penalties for perjury on those forms, between five to twenty five thousand dollar fine, five to ten in jail...the usual drill).

So, you register for the draft, you go to nursing school, next thing ya know, off ya go. You register for the draft, you study Farsi in college, next thing ya know, off ya go.

They're gonna do this on the cheap, but they are gonna do it unless we bitch mightily. And get the fuck out of the Middle East.

As for combat support, IT guys are not near the battle zone, they are sitting fucking pretty in Kuwait and Qatar, for the most part. A lot of that shit is remote. And a language specialist CAN carry a weapon--primary and secondary MOS--just because you have a talent does not exempt you from going infantry. No rule that all language guys go intel, especially if they are already trained in the language skill. Your forward operating bases are the real iffy places, often the perimeter is not as good as you would like, but in any event, all of your dustups need to be within a GOLDEN HOUR helo ride of an air transportable hospital (they don't call them that anymore, neither do they call them MASH units, but you get the idea).

If there is a rule, any rule, it can be changed. They do it all the time. It is termed FORCE SHAPING, and it is as old as our standing army.

[serryjw]

120. Thanks for update.....

very informative.

[rndmprsn]

115. coward! you are just like your "dear leader"

no courage or convictions, pathetic...stand up for your beliefs fool...don't just trample on everyone else's!