HAD IT! with DNC. Doing nothing about future election fraud!!!

[autorank]

I've reached my limit with DNC. They are setting us up for another fall and stolen election in 2006 through their inaction. In a moment of lucidity, I just sent them this. If you're so inclined, do so yourselves. Their only effort so far was to have Donna Brazile do a study of Ohio which was entirely inadequate and recommended NOTHING that will help prevent this in the future.

Here's my DNC message, a link to their "contact us" site, and a link to a post of two days ago that some of you saw.

:grr:

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Dear DNC:

Here is who I am. I'm a livelong Democrat; I gave about $2000 in 2004 for Kerry and PACs supporting Kerry; I worked about 60 volunteer hours; and I paid my daughter's bills while she worked full time for 3 months for Kerry in No. VA.

Now, I want a response to my repeated inquiries. There was massive election fraud in 2004. It's well documented for anyone who wants to take a look. It was in many places and high level statistical analysis by credible people shows it probably cost Kerry the election. IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN since the 3 voting machine companies are all owned by right wing Republicans!

WHAT ARE YOU DOING? NOTHING AS FAR AS I COULD SEE. THE BRAZILE REPORT IS A JOKE. YOU ARE JUST LAYING DOWN AND GETTING US READY FOR ANOTHER THEFT IN 2006.

YOU IGNORANCE AND FAILURE TO ACT ON THIS ISSUE IS A DISGRACE. I'M NOT CHANGING PARTIES BUT I'M BLAMING DNC FOR A FAILURE TO TRULY INVESTIGATE AND ACT.

Go ahead, don't respond to me like you have not the last two messages. You people need to do a self inventory and decide if you really want supporters like me and if you really care about winning.

I'm disgusted with your performance. It is entirely inadequate.

Yours truly

autorank

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Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell

Previous Post on Conyers Report on Ohio Fraud

[oasis]

1. Keep up the good fight.

:thumbsup:

[tommcintyre]

11. Hey "O"... howzit?

You know where I can find a shaka-sign emoticon?

Fo now, dis is da closess' I can come. ;)

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yeah, we gotta keep up da good fight!

[oasis]

42. Shaka-brah. I know you've been doing your part Tom.

:patriot: This one's for you.

[autorank]

54. Thanks for showing up. You too!

BTW, are you "the" oasis I keep hearing about.

Thanks for hitting the thread!

[oasis]

90. We have to stay on our elected officials and turn up the heat before 2006.

I'm probably not "the" oasis. I choose this screen name back in May of 2002 when I began posting here. Democratic Underground was like my oasis.

Keep up the good work. :hi:

[melissinha]

2. It is infuriating isn't it?

We all know it happened... its kinda like playing the game the adminsitration does... if we don't comment on it.. it doesn't have life in the media....

My suggestion.. is boycott Diebold.... we really need to hit these accomplices with what truly matters to them. Write letters to our banks tellign them to drop Diebold and change banks.... Problem is.... our party isn't united enough in its goals to make it count... sure we have the numbers..... but we aren't all on the same page.

[EFerrari]

13. I was thinking of a boycott last winter.

Do you know what havoc could be created if we stopped using ATM machine at banks or at point-of-sale?

[me b zola]

3. I share your frustration, autorank

It makes me wonder, 'what the f are they thinking?'
I also wonder just how pervasive the DLC is involved with the DNC, because that could certainly explain alot :(

[blm]

4. I supported Dean for chair because I thought he would deal with BBV fraud

and the GOP control of the media.

I still have hope that he will address these issues SOON. I really don't want to give up that hope as I send weekly reminders to the DNC.

[autorank]

8. Don't give up hope is right. Give DNC a regular dose of reality!

[autorank]

9. Dean's another reality-based community tartet. He can wake up.

I'll bet he gets a regular earful from DFA folks.

We lead, they follow, everybody makes out!

:hi:

[Freddie Stubbs]

63. What did Dean do or say that made you think he would deal with BBV fraud?

I don't recall him ever saying that he would.

[blm]

65. Because he was one of the few who even KNEW about BBV as an issue.

He had featured a demonstration of electonic voting fraud on a show last summer. I expected he would take it up as a cause.

[Freddie Stubbs]

66. So he either doesn't believe that it is true, or

doesn't think that it is wise to bring it up, since he knows that it is an issue?

[blm]

68. I don't know. I am perplexed as to why he isn't leading the charge on BBV.

Nothing effects the vote more than the Republicans who own and control the media and the Republicans who own and program the voting machines.

[Vinca]

5. If something isn't done about the damn machines,

why bother have an election at all? They'll win . . . and they already know it.

[Melodybe]

6. I just called Reid's office and demanded the same thing.

You should too, here is the number to Capital Hill Switch Board 202 224 3121, everyone on DU should be calling and asking this question.

[autorank]

7. Great! That's what we need to do. We have to lead them.

If they're good leaders, they'll follow and everybody will benefit. I'm convinced that Reid would be a good target for this, especially after he nailed Greenspan:..."a political hack..." music to my ears.

Melodybye:yourock:

[NVMojo]

86. Reid won't do anything. He knows about the shoddy election machine

situation in Las Vegas and won't do anything about it. It has given him an election win several times with no paper trails and no way to audit.

[emcguffie]

10. Donna Brazile told me not to "insult her" --

By e-mail, I corresponded with her twice, to try to convince them that there was fraud and that something had to be done.

I kept asking her if what they were doing -- in Ohio -- was because they believed fraud happened, or was it just about vote suppression -- not to belittle that.

That's when she got mad at me.

I was insulting her.

[EFerrari]

12. Let's see: Donna Brazile's ego vs. real elections

What a dilemma. :eyes:

[question everything]

18. I didn't think that anyone still cared about Donna Brazil... except CNN

where they pair her with Bay Buchanana - two ladies with nothing but their egos on their hands. Oh, and Brazil claims that Newt is a friend..

One has to wonder whether either of them has ever held a regular job..

[autorank]

29. If Bay was a Democrat, I'd pick her everytime. She would walk

through fire to advance her cause and she's scary in a cool sort of way (much better than her brother). The problem with Brazil is that she really doesn't care. I get the impression that she'd rather sit in her office than get down in the trenches and fight.

Brazil had no reason to insult . Wow, that's a great way to get people to participate, throw names at them.

Which is why I like to say...

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[smartvoter]

41. Picking her was stupid. I heard her say there was no evidence of fraud.nt

[gemutlichkait]

57. there never is

[oasis]

43. She's pals with Karl Rove too.

[journalist3072]

14. That's exactly why I left the Democratic Party

I left the Democratic Party, and became a registered Independent, right after the Congress certified the results of the 2004 election. I was really upset that only one courageous Senator signed on to the objection of the Ohio electors.

And when they were forced to debate what happened in Ohio, a lot of Democratic lawmakers got up and said legitimate voters had been prevented from voting. Well duh, if legitimate voters were prevented from voting, that is voter suppression. And if voter suppression has occured, how can you feel you have a legitimate winner?

[bvar22]

15. Elections in America.....

...have become part of the Bread & Circuses PR campaign to keep the peasant class busy thinking they actually have a voice.
The matters of National Leadership and National Policy have been removed from the element of doubt that would exist if we had REAL elections. The Primaries of BOTH Parties are controlled and will produce the results that the Ruling Elite pre-ordain. When threats to the Two Party Status Quo appear, both Parties close ranks to Protect the System. (SEE: Carl Levins performance at the Galloway appearance before the Senate Committee last week.)

The ONLY reason that the Democratic Party doesn't force this issue is because THEY DON'T WANT TO. The Establishment Dems LIKE the system the way it is. INCUMBENTS RULE, and if the occasional Dem or Repub has to sacrifice their seat for appearances sake, they are taken care of by the Corporate Lobbying Revolving Door.

Might as well enjoy the Circus,

OR

support Dems outside the Establishment. You can find them here:
http://www.pdamerica.org/

[BeFree]

61. That explains it, eh?

They have us by the short hairs and they'll never release their grip voluntarily.

The only way out of this situation is to run and support Dems from the edge. Dems that are not afraid to speak. Dems that owe nothing to the establishment but everything to the common man.

The old time leaders of the party must be informed that their way is what got us into this mess and they need to now stand aside and support the new style politicians such as those who populate DU.

Yep, DU is THE breeding ground for the New Dems. DU needs to begin setting up a support mechanism to get DUers elected?

[tommcintyre]

16. Yep, WE are the ones we've been waiting for!

If we held our breath waiting for the DNC to "show up".... well, we wouldn't be breathin' anymore, would we?

So... where ARE they anyway? Oh... I see them now! That's them, over there... cowering in the corner in the fetal position!

They better not "make <serious> waves", or the GOP might not even wanna keep them around as a "neutered pet". Maybe, if the DNC pisses 'em off enough, the GOP will just end this illusion of democracy and just "select" an ALL GOP "win" at the polls next time.

We can't have that! So jus' go ahead, stay where you are - cowering in the corner - maybe they'll keep a few of you around as the "token opposition", just for "appearances".

:sarcasm:

[journalist3072]

17. Another point....

What good has the DNC's Voting Rights Institute done? The DNC VRI was created after the 2000 election, supposedly to help educate voters about their rights and responsibilities at the voting booth.

Well, I want to know what the heck have they done? It appears to me the answer is 'nada.' They should have been everywhere before the election, to lessen the chances that voter suppression would take place.

[La Coliniere]

19. This issue...

is paramount to our survival as a democracy. I too was hoping that the mule party would take the lead in aggressively pushing for more honest voting systems once and for all. Guess I might be hoping for too much.
I continually write my reps and senators about this issue and its IMPORTANCE. Now I will also start writing the DNC on a regular basis.
Personally, I was hoping the Oregon Method of using paper ballot mail-in ballots only would gather steam. Fuck antiquated lever machines, scanners and computerized machines that can be hacked with the ease of a few key strokes. VERIFIABLE PAPER TRAILS OR DEATH TO DEMOCRACY.

[autorank]

30. You're right, no paper ballots, no free elections. Why no OR model?

Because the people would make the decisions (maybe the wrong ones, but not wrong all the time!). They're scared of we the people.

Which is why I like to say...

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[La Coliniere]

40. Better yet...

Even better the the OM. If the Canadians can hand count millions of hand marked paper ballots in a matter of hours after the last precinct closes, so can we. Low tech is the way to go.

[Pharaoh]

20. I feel the same way

I sent 100 bucks this week and then ............

WTF nobodys doing anything about the machines! Kerry won!

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

yeah they have to adress this!

[laura888]

21. I second that!

Months have gone by and I see NOTHING that addressses the election problems.

[hvn_nbr_2]

22. Last time they called to ask for money, I told them...

to call again when the national party starts talking seriously and loudly about verified voting and election fraud. Until we have valid elections, politics and campaigns and candidates are just a hoax that I won't waste money on.

The guy went to his "answering objections" script and said something like, "Chairman Dean understands your concern about that blah blah (ignore subject, change subject) blah blah need to get our numbers up in key..." I interrupted and said it didn't matter what our numbers are if they don't count them.

[autorank]

31. Oh boy, a line to steal, a great one...Holy Cow!!!

"I interrupted and said it didn't matter what our numbers are if they don't count them."

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[Pacifist Patriot]

23. I've been sending a weekly update email to them.

So far my submissions seem to be falling into a black hole.

[TexasLawyer]

24. It looks like we're on the same wave length today!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3736428

I start with the Downing Street Memo, but I end with complaining that we let vote fraud happen without a whimper. Yes, things do need to change.

[autorank]

32. That's a great thread TL!!! It's all about the TRUTH

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[katinmn]

67. autorank and tl: I went after the DNC last night about their

wimping out on holding Bush accountable for the war. There is no excuse.

No more DINOs! No more Republican-lites! No more Democrats beholden to corporations!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=106&topic_id=16106&mesg_id=16106

[Freddie Stubbs]

76. Didn't we just elect a 'new leader?'

I believe his term is supposed to last for four years. Are we going to dump the Chairman every time they make a decision that some Democrats don't like?

[ailsagirl]

25. So NO official organizations are doing anything about it???

I remember reading in DU (it's been a few weeks now) that things were happening on that front.

This should be PRIORITY NUMBER ONE because I believe that's how they "won" in November. No way, NO WAY did they win a second term. (And, of course, they didn't win in 2000 either.)

Absolutely nothing will convince me of it.

:mad: :grr:

[GettysbergII]

26. Well spoken. Mine is a similar story re: Kerry

On the way home from school on Nov. 3 my 12 year old daughter found out Kerry conceited, and she entered our house balling her eyes out and screaming, "He promised he would never give up til the last vote was counted! Maybe he is a flip-flopper after all". This is the democracy we are passing on to our children on our watch? Over my dead body.

Not only are hey are doing little or nothing to prevent the 2006 elections from being rigged but, meanwhile, the Democrats allowed the rather sinister and unwanted Real ID Act to pass unaminously through the Senate because it was atttached to the $87 billion appropriation bill to continue waging the Iraq War that 60% of Americans don't want anymore. Now the Senate Intelligence Committee is holding closed-door meetings to beef up the Patriot Act so as to allow federal investigators to subpoena records from businesses and other institutions without a judge's approval if the investigators themselves declare that the material is needed as part of a foreign intelligence investigation. Where are the daily press conferences to voice their outrage over the continuing rape of our constitution?

[bpilgrim]

27. hey, LOOK! over THERE... it's the NUCLEAR option *BOOM*

http://images.globalfreepress.com

your 12yo was thinking the same thing i was that horrid day in November.

:hi:

peace

[GettysbergII]

49. Yeah, one long sad day it was.

In many ways much bleaker than 9-11 because after staying up til the wee hours of the morning waiting for the charge of the legal brigade that never happened, the only conclusion I could draw upon waking was not only was the fix in but the big swinging dicks pulling the strings of the DNC behind the scenes told Kerry to stand down.

[Hubert Flottz]

28. Senator Kerry's flunky called me last Friday and wanted cash!

Kerry's shyster caller used the Con on me about the DNC needing money because..."The Poor Little Children of America Don't Have Any Health Coverage"!!!! He said John Kerry was fixin' to "Take Care Of All Those Poor Little Kids", if I would send 25, 50, or 100 bucks ASAP! I told him to take the money that I sent John Kerry last October, when I got the letter saying that Kerry needed cash to pay lawyers to contest the election in 2004, if it seemed crooked like the election in 2000 and spend that money on those "Poor Babies"! I told him I knew Kerry still had my money, because he never spent it in November to fight back, when the GOP stole another election!

The politicians ALWAYS use the POOR LITTLE KID song and dance to panhandle, or to slide some piece of shit bill through congress, but they never seem to get around to REALLY doing anything for those..."POOR LITTLE KIDS WITH NO HEALTH COVERAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

[GettysbergII]

47. No more compromises and half measures on medical coverage

It's universal health care or bust as far as I'm concerned. And as far as Kerry goes, I immediately delete any email I get from his camp. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

[autorank]

34. The outrage is all over, just not by our leadership or the DNC!

The 100 plus city councils who reject the Patriot Act, the Great State of Montana legislature which did it recently, and the various election fraud groups and investigators (most of whom are in DU elections)...but not our Party. Why not?

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[GettysbergII]

44. Good question

The 100 plus city councils who reject the Patriot Act, the Great State of Montana legislature which did it recently, and the various election fraud groups and investigators (most of whom are in DU elections)...but not our Party. Why not?

Ahhhhh.....is it because George Soros won't say "Simon says oppose the Patriot Act"?

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

I love your slogan. Even if it takes us years to build a new party brick by brick that reponses to the will of American people so be it.

[smartvoter]

33. We need to organize a major effort on this front before it's too late. nt

[autorank]

35. Thats why we have to hammer them again and again.

There are efforts but they're underfunded and pushing back against a huge weight. We need major muscle, maybe the labor movement, maybe an "angel" with some big bucks.

You're right. The time is now, it's not too late by a long shot.

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY

[smartvoter]

37. We need a big coordinated effort between groups to push it to the

forefront again. We've been so busy dealing with the fallout from the fixed election that we haven't been able to focus on fixing elections...

[Hubert Flottz]

36. This is one of the issues we need to march in the streets about.

It's the entire ball of wax! If we'd won in November the world would have been able to reason with John Kerry! Bush don't even want to talk about stopping a war that pays his friends so well!

[smartvoter]

38. Yep. A whole new effort again. nt

[seabeyond]

39. i sent an email, was easy

i was all set up withh all my information just sitting there. didnt have to do a thing, but type a message. hey, i was a hard ass too, kind, but a hardass, lol.

you are right auto, we have been waiting for a while for them to get into this issue, and not seeing it. i donated to dnc a month ago, told the lady no at first, cause i knew election was stolen so didnt see a reason to give my money. she replied of course it was stolen, matter of factly. lead me to believe they are aware, so i would assume would be doing something.

i dont know

[autorank]

45. seabeyong, Great post!

We just keep it in their faces over and over. There are many there, I'm sure, who are bitter and rearing at the bit to let things loose on the stolen election.

Again, here's the address to let the DNC know they have to do something about election fraud:

Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About Acting on Election Fraud

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell

[seabeyond]

48. something else interesting in that call

she told me senators were mad, and they were going to match funds with their own money. (this was for an ad) i said who. she told me daschel and kerry,.....i was surprised. daschel, well he should be pissed.

just felt like there was something up behind the scenes. would be nice if our own party would clue us in. dean does say we are a people from the ground up. they ought to act out on that.

[autorank]

50. You're the welcome messanger! I believe you. Hopefully, they're

clued in and have timing issues in mind. In any case, the old guard and Brazil need to go.

[Catherine Vincent]

46. Good for you!

Way to hold their feet to the fire. :thumbsup:

[Al-CIAda]

51. Givce them hell!

[orleans]

52. here's the email i sent the dnc

"I got another fundraising letter from you yesterday. Sounds like you want some money. But before I go handing out any more money to you I'd like to know exactly what you're doing to make certain every state will have a verifiable paper ballot. We're on our way to getting the 2006 election stolen again. Are you part of the problem or are you going to be part of the solution? Until you start solving this problem you are off my donation list. If you can't do anything to make sure that votes are counted in this country I probably will not be voting again. Too bad, eh?"


like they really care.

[autorank]

53. Well, I really care. That is a kicki-ass letter. It hits them from sever

sides. Great!

[orleans]

77. thanks autorank

:)

[Gelliebeans]

55. here is what I sent to DNC

I have donated twice to the DNC since the 2004 election and I was glad to do it considering Dean was elected Chairman.

It seems that no one at the DNC seems to be doing anything regarding voter irregularities and fraud since Donna Brazile did some kind of small audit on Ohio.

I have not heard ONE peep from the DNC and I am very concerned about the state of voter integrity in the upcoming 2006 election. The republicans will steal this again if something isn't done.

It won't matter if we run Jesus for the Democrat ticket if the votes are tainted. Why are you sitting on your hands? Can someone please respond? I have looked all over the web for the DNC's plan to avert another voter fiasco and found zilch.

Please don't tell me that Dean hears our plight because that was what I heard the last time I donated money to DNC and the promise that this was in the forefront of DNC issues.

Sincerely,
xxxxxxx

[autorank]

56. I think they'll get your message. If not, more money for kitties!

[Gelliebeans]

75. autorank, you don't

even WANT to know just how much I spend on these girls in kitty toys
Oyyyyy...:eyes:

[ArkDem]

58. That damn Howard Dean. There he goes focusing on

reality again!

[gemutlichkait]

59. Early Voting, Absente ballot or U.S.P.S

Or paper ballot. People in Oakland CA had the Machines but no one used them. They requested paper

[Larkspur]

60. Your money went to Kerry, not the DNC, so why don't you blast Kerry

who conceeded his 2004 election bid but kept $10 million from the campaign?

Obviously, Kerry is not concerned with election fraud.

[autorank]

62. I have "shared" on this w/Kerry. I gave to DNC too & they're doing 2006,

not Kerry. I agree that Kerry was a "weak sister" on this issue. I admire the man but he really backed off quickly. There is some thought that they're working some deep cover deal and will launch when they have proof. Well, the proof is all over the place -- actual fraud, conspiracy to commit actual fraud, and a boatload of statistical evidence that could be used in any court case, if we had anyone to prosecute.

We agree!

[blm]

69. DNC is in charge of ELECTING DEMS to ALL offices. That means dealing with

the details of voting and vote fraud.

Dem candidates on the ENTIRE TICKET rely on the DNC.

[Larkspur]

73. And Dean is working to get Dems elected at all levels, especially the

Secretaries of State office, which controls the process in each state.

Dean is also aware of Diebold, etc., but it's the Secretaries of State from each state that setup the election process.

[blm]

74. Uh....who will get elected Sec. of State if machines are still programmed

by Republicans?

[janx]

92. If machines are all programmed by Republicans,

then how did Colorado turn both houses in their state blue for the first time in 40 years?

How did Montana elect a Dem governor?

[dogday]

64. Just Posted That A Florida Judge Denied Suit For Paper ballots

If we can't get paper ballots we are screwed....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3739705

[Name removed]

70. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[FizzFuzz]

71. Nice spamming of the board, Shirley2004

all of your posts are the same thing copied and pasted

[autorank]

78. Hi FuzzFuzz

Thanks for the cool subject line. Wondered who did that.

:hi:

[FizzFuzz]

79. Hey Hi, autorank!!

Yeah, I thought the moron shouldn't get vacuumed up without a trace. Credit where credit is due, ya know? Idiot posted it all over the boards. Then I caught a snip from freeperland on here that had her name on it (gardencatz). Ha.

Hey I had a look at your website a while ago when you had the link--Weird! :D In a good way. I'd be curious to hear the story behind that.

You sound older than the pic there, you know--really intelligent and well informed, great critical thinking...Cool! I am humbled!

on edit--well I just revealed my idiocy, and that I hadn't read your OP fully. I thought the pic was you.
Anyway, now that I read it--YEAH!!! Give them HELL! My god, I can't believe how they've been doing nothing. I feel funny about the bux I donated too. I think I'll just stick to donating to Planned Parenthood.

[autorank]

80. You are too kind.

The pic is my teenage son. I'm actually "Lowtax" from SomethingAwful.com (just kidding).

:hi:

[FizzFuzz]

81. lol

Well I'm relieved actually. It really makes me have inferiority attacks when I run into 20 year olds who have more on the ball than me. Sheesh! And working at a college, I have the opportunity to be humbled frequently. Thank god for the others who are know-nothing idiots driving Hummers covered in bush stickers. Gets me back on my "I'm smarter than you" elite-intellectual footing.

:D ha!

[autorank]

82. Oh, there's no doubt about it, You are SMARTER than I am!

:dunce:

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY!

Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About NOT Acting on Election Fraud

[FizzFuzz]

87. only if I hold my breath and squinch my eyes closed very tight..

:D

[autorank]

88. LOL

.

[GreenPartyVoter]

72. Keep hammering it home!

Election reform: http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm

[Obviousman]

83. Yeah, they are really wasting their time building a 50 state grass roots

strategy. Why bother actually contesting elections when we can just sit back and complain about how its all rigged against us, and demand our party go on a wild goose chase?

[autorank]

84. You have earned your "PhD in the Obvious" obviousman.

Username's a killer, elegant prose style perfect fit.

:hi:

[autorank]

89. Just had a thought Obviousman, how about using the grass roots

to work for our folks and watch/fight election fraud. Hmmm...if Dean is doing that, great. I'm no longer willing to assume that 'someone' will be smart enought to figure this stuff out so we'll ask and then we'll see.

[Obviousman]

96. Look, I have no problem with grass roots efforts to make sure

everyone gets to vote, especially in minority areas where problems do exist. But, I do not believe that outright election fraud has occurred. We have to face the fact that dems are in the minority right now, and we need to alter our message and learn how to fight back. Any distraction from that whether it is election fraud, partisan infighting, compromising with 7 republican senators, is not good for us.

[Peace Patriot]

98. Wrong, Obviousman! The opposite is true. If they DON'T acknowledge...

...and address 2004 election fraud--head-on, smasheroo style--nobody's going to vote in 2006.

People are not stupid. They may not know the facts, like, for instance, that the Democrats BLEW THE REPUBLICANS AWAY on new voter registration in 2004--nearly 60/40--or that MOST new voters voted for Kerry, or that MOST Nader voters voted for Kerry, or that MOST independents voted for Kerry, or that what this ALSO means is that MOST Gore 2000 voters voted for Kerry, or they may not know that the exit polls said Kerry won, or that Bush's approval rating is in the toilet and has been for over a year (gee, where did his margin of victory COME FROM? and, where is it NOW? --FORTY-TWO PERCENT APPROVAL RATING! --with 60% to 70% of Americans disapproving of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic)--they may not know all this, but they know something is very, very, very wrong.

And if the Democrats don't TELL them what it is--that the pigs own and control the vote tabulators with SECRET, PROPRIETARY programming code, and took percentages from Kerry and gave them to Bush here and there throughout the east coast and in the battle ground states, and furthermore prevented hundreds of thousands of Democrats from voting (not even counted in the exit polls--ergo, Kerry landslide)--then everything is going to be at the level of RUMOR, and all those new voters and a whole lot of other people are going to STAY HOME and never vote again.

We HAD a grass roots movement, in 2004. It was huge. It elected John Kerry. And it got smashed to pieces and demoralized by election fraud.

Where is it going to come from NEXT TIME--unless the Democrats acknowledge and address what happened LAST TIME?

The Democrats are NOT in the minority. I repeat: The Democrats BLEW THE REPUBLICANS AWAY in new voter registration in 2004!

The Democrats represent the MAJORITY. All evidence supports this, with one exception: the fraudulent official tally in 2004. And if they don't start standing up and SAYING THIS, and speaking facts and truth, then they are going to FAIL.

[Junkdrawer]

102. .

[Obviousman]

106. You're forgeting something

just because voters are registered, does NOT mean they will vote, it's the sad truth. I really don't want to get into this argument, i think this forum belongs in the 2004 election discussion.

[Junkdrawer]

100. We have to do both...

Having the vote counted, with secret, proprietary software written by companies with ties to the Republican party and extreme right Christian Fundamentalists is, well, just not working out for us.

And man, is it obvious. Look at how hard Republicans fight any effort at election reform that challenges the rights of private voting machine companies.

[Chicago1]

85. I think they're going to do "Pile On the White House and Regime"

I TOTALLY understand everyone's frustration but I think we need to give it more time. I know that they have a plan, but they can't release it or else it would give time to the enemy to prepare. I think they're going to take them by surprise..."Pile On". It will overwhelm the WH and they won't know what to do. The big questions are when, how, who and where!!!


Please be patient everyone. Our time will come!!!


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[autorank]

93. Well, Chicago is my current favorite city, so I'll share your hope

...but they need to be reminded.

They don't have a lot of time on election fraud. Here are just a few of the things they need:

--paper ballot initiatives state/local;
--legislation to mandate opening up the source code for examination of each machine;
--legislation to mandate opening up each machine for an audit by either party or neutral parties;
--court cases for the two above simultaneously;
--massive public awareness that (a)2004 was stolen and (b) 2006 will not be stolen in any way.

Go look at Donna Brazil's report on this. It's a nothing. Now someone pointed out that may have been in place pre-Dean but :wtf:. Is she a "moran"? (Don't answer that).

I'd pile on DNC so they pile on the WH. We can't delegate to them any more.

And, did you know that the media buys in the last election for the Republicans did not include a commission for the consultants? The Repubs smartened up and stopped this crap. Good move, more ads for the buck. Did we do that? No, Kerry's consultants got a nice several point add on just for buying/placing the ads, in addition to their work. That sucks.

Trust but verify.

[Wilms]

91. Done. n/t

[For PaisAn]

94. You motivated me

to contact them also. Here's the message I just sent them:

What are you going to do about ELECTION FRAUD?

This is the most important issue facing Democrats and the American people. If this is not resolved then everything else is MOOT. Now is the time. If this is allowed to stand and continue you can forget about another Democrat ever becoming president and forget about ever having a majority in Congress.

I have contributed money and time to the DNC and many Democrats over the years. I gave the max for the 2004 Democratic primary and the Democratic candidate in the "election". I'm really starting to feel I'm wasting my time and money with you guys. If I wanted to just blow money I'd save it for Atlantic City.

In 2000 you were caught off guard but then you had four years to prevent it from happening again and you did NOTHING. Investigate Election Fraud now.

[autorank]

97. Beautiful!!!!! Atlantic City, all right!

[Melissa G]

95. my DNC inquiry

Dear DNC, I'd like to know exactly what you're doing to make certain every state will have voter verified paper ballots. We are heading towards getting the 2006 election stolen again. What is the DNC doing to prevent this 4th election from being stolen? This is issue number one! If we have no honest elections it does not matter who we run, how much money we raise, or if we even vote... Where is the DNC's leadership on this most important action item?
Sincerely,
Melissa G

[mandyky]

99. Can the DNC do anything about it?

I think we need to talk to our Reps. and Sens. about this. Of course, the DNC can bring up the issue and work with Democratic local officials, but any national changes have to be made by Congress.

[in_cog_ni_to]

101. AND Congress is a repuke majority.

We would need real repubs to cross-over to our side in order to reform our election process, but why would they want to give up their majority? This little scheme will keep them in power forever. I don't see that happening...UNLESS the 7 repukes from the gang of 14 are truly principled. Mike DeWine? I don't think so. McCain? I don't think so. Warner? Questionable.

The ONLY way to stop the fraud, IMCPO, is to hire private investigators (the RW government won't do it), find the fraud, arrest their asses and PROVE THE FRAUD. We need insiders in the evoting machine companies. We need insiders looking at their "propietary" software. We need insiders looking at the Central Tabulators who can LEAK THE TRUTH. We need WHISTLEBLOWERS. THEN, and ONLY THEN, will the sheeple believe there was fraud.

Can the DNC use their funds for private investigators or do "we, the grassroots, people" need to do this too?

Can political contributions be used for private investigations? :shrug: I don't know. :shrug:

Do WE need to hire Private Investigators and raise the funds to pay them?

[Peace Patriot]

108. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, NO!

"...but any national changes have to be made by Congress." --mandyky

No!

You want the Bush Cartel writing election law?

State/local action! That's the only way to get it done. And WATCH OUT for a Baker-Carter Commission/Bush Cartel move to TAKE CONTROL OF ELECTIONS AWAY FROM THE STATES AND LOCAL VENUES WHERE ORDINARY PEOPLE STILL HAVE SOME INFLUENCE!

To hell with Bush's Congress! To hell with HAVA! They deliberately CORRUPTED our election system with this legislation.

No more!

Tell Senators and Congress people to STAY OUT OF IT--but to help in local venues. Bush "pod people" in Congress WILL weaken and destroy any good legislation that is proposed, and will likely use it as a Trojan horse to futher corrupt state election systems.

The DNC needs to see that corrupt local election officials--Dems or Repubs--are FIRED! That's what they need to do. And they need to support local people--candidates, appointees or grass roots groups--who insist on VERIFIABLE ELECTIONS. And they need to get local Dem clubs on this NOW.

[Time for change]

103. Very good letter autorank

I just don't understand what's the matter with these people. I keep hoping that they're working on it behind the scenes, but that's probably too much to hope for. I was hoping the same thing in 2004, and look what happened.

I think that the good majority of this country is simply in denial.

[autorank]

105. Time for change, Thanks and thank you for your good work here.

Nothing like plain English to make a point!

When they call me for $$$'s and when I write to them, I don't share with them the depth of my feelings on this issue, but I'll share it here: DNC!!! What is your major malfunction numbnuts'?. It's so obvious that this is a core issue.

I am firmly convinced that had Boxer not responded to the House delegates, we would have lost a huge chunk of the black vote, and deservedly so. They don't have any idea how serious that point in the journey was, thus they're clueless now.

We'll see but we won't stop pushing.

:hi:

[davsand]

104. I quit giving cash to the DNC a long time ago.

I support candidates directly, with both checks and my time, but I REFUSE to ever give the DNC another cent of my money. Seems to me the DNC has worried WAY more than they should have about keeping peace with the "Yellow Stripe Guys" (the middle of the road gang) and the GOP.

Fuck em.

I give my cash to candidates, not the party.



Laura

[Peace Patriot]

107. Here's mine:

May 29, 2005

Dear DNC:

I don't get it.
Dems blew Bush away in new voter registration in 2004, nearly 60/40.
Most new voters voted for Kerry.
Most Nader voters voted for Kerry.
Most independents voted for Kerry.
Most Gore 2000 voters voted for Kerry (and switch voters were a wash). And Gore 2000 voters were highly motivated and got all their non-voting family members, friends and co-workers to register and vote (the new voters).
Kerry won the exit polls.
Kerry won the election, by any reasonable analysis of the numbers, and likely blew Bush away there, too.
Bush approval rating was 48% on election day, 49% on the day of his "inauguration," and is 42% today and falling, with 60% to 70% of Americans disapproving of every major Bush policy, foreign and domestic.

If you would be straight with the American people, and acknowledge and address 2004 election fraud, and apologize for Dem leaders who failed us so miserably on the fraudulent election SYSTEM (letting Wally O'Dell & buds count all our votes in secret with no objection, and walking away from illegal suppression of black and other Dem voters in Ohio, Florida and other places), you would be in a much stronger strategic position.

Many Americans suspect that it was stolen, and many are never going to vote again if you don't start acting like you know what happened. If you do, they will rally again, as they did in 2004. You represent the MAJORITY. In fact, at this point, you are all we have left of our shredded democracy, which ceased having "consent of the governed" in January 2000, and suffered a fascist coup in January 2004. If you don't start giving people the facts and the truth about this, and energize them to organize locally for election reform, you are going to fail again and again. And then where will we be?

In addition to using my email contact to solicit money from me-- why don't you be responsive to its substance?

Here is a strategy: You don't have to SAY the election was stolen, if you think that's too dangerous. But if you go all out on a high profile election reform campaign with full resources, everybody will know why. Clued in people are effective people. With your help, we the people will get it done. Without your help, we may not be able to save this democracy.

I don't want to see Germany 1933-34--the fracturing of the left. But it's not up to me. It's up to you, the Dem establishment. If you don't act on election fraud/reform, you are going to lose your base--who may well form a new party or parties--and those people who gave you a victory in 2004 will stop voting or will be voting for splinter parties. And that will be that. The fascists will have total control.

This is it, for the Democratic Party. You MUST get this right, or our democracy will go into deep eclipse and it will take decades of suffering to recover it.

No amount of issue work as "the opposition" is going to do you or us a bit of good, if we can't get our votes counted. No, we don't want a 100,000 innocent people slaughtered by our bombs. No, we don't want Social Security to be looted, too. No, we don't want a trillion dollar deficit. No, we don't want thieves and liars and Darth Vaders running our government. No, we don't want the torture-minded to be Attorney General. No, we don't want a state religion. But what good is our overwhelming majority view on these matters, if we can't get our votes counted? And why should we support you, and vote for you, if you won't help us INSURE that our votes are counted?

One final stat, my favorite: 63% of Americans oppose the torture of prisoners UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES. And you would have us believe that these true Americans--this intelligent, progressive and very big majority-- voted for Bush? Wake up, Democrats!

Sincerely,

XXXX (Democratic voter for 40 years!)

[Wilms]

109. kick n/t