Who has legal knowledge re: cyber-stalking and harrassment?

[Stephanie]

The Freepers have decided to harrass Andy in his hospital bed. Is this criminal harrassment?




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To: Amityschild

The signed return receipt from Western Union--if the recipient of the telegram (linen parchment paper, remember; only the best for Andy) can be located--is then mailed, regular U.S. mail, back to the person sending the telegram.

Since this is Nebraska, and that is Maryland, and since the telegram was sent so as to arrive on Friday, one assumes Tuesday, maybe, I will have the signed return receipt.

I thought it was a great telegram, full of only the best and sincere wishes for Andy, from the DUmmie FUnnies.

195 posted on 05/27/2005 1:44:17 PM PDT by franksolich (crime never pays)
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[blm]

1. Check with nothingshocksmeanymore

I believe she knows something about cyber-stalking laws

[Stephanie]

2. thanks

[Rainbowreflect]

3. What asses!

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

4. No law against sending a telegram

let them waste their money. There are laws concerning cyber stalking and some are stiff depending on what state you are in and what proof you have. This would not rise to the level of cyber stalking.

[Stephanie]

7. this post in particular might not be cyber stalking

but could it be criminal harrassment? they have pursued him all over the internet, delayed his treatment by making a false complaint about his Paypal acct, and now they are sending unwanted communications to his hospital room.

[DrDebug]

8. It is definitely harrassement

And a false complaint is falseness in writing.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

16. sending the telegram alone is no crime

as far as the other claims, Andy would have a better civil case than a criminal case since attempts to thwart his medical care were organized both by Freerupublic and ConservativeUnderground and both sites were part of a "deliberate scheme to discredit" with the knowledge of their administrators.

Note to lurking freepers: I put the specific legal language in quotes so you can run right back to the slobs that run those sites and tell them.

[supernova]

5. WTF is the matter with people!?!

We can disgaree about politics all we want, but to harass someone about their life-threatening illness, is beneath contempt.

Hey Freepers, Fuck you! I hope no one nearest and dearest to you ever gets pancreatic cancer. What sick, tiny-minded little fucks.

Get a life assholes.

[FreedomAngel82]

27. They are sick and have no life

Why don't they do something worthwhile and that can make a positive change? Assholes. I'd report them all to the police or someone who could help.

[guruoo]

43. Same as a threat to his life

IMHO, their getting in the way of his treatment
is comparable to a direct threat to his live.
If it were myself, or a relative I would treat it as such.

[SmokingJacket]

6. Lame-o-rama.

Why don't they set stray cats afire, or knock over old people with walkers?

Why torment a man in his hospital bed?

Honestly. I wish there was a God of Revenge, who made sure these people got what they deserved.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

9. Why don't you just

let it go?

The more attention those people get, the more they'll act out.

What was done was shocking, but the fact is that Andy's all right now, recovering nicely, and whatever pranks anyone pulls have absoutely nothing to do with him.

So, please don't rise to the bait. Do not rise to the bait. Reserve your outrage for Iraq, our failing country, our civil and legal rights being eroded daily, and the fact that the Democrats seem to have misplaced their spines.

Ignore them. It's already moot.

One more thing: it's probably not good for anyone's mental or physical health to go to freerepublic.com. Just a thought ..............

[MuseRider]

10. Well I just read

through that nasty thread. Amazing isn't it? I have one thing to say to those idiots over there. Phones are not allowed in the ICU rooms routinely but if patients are in good shape and still required to stay there for a time a phone can easily be brought into the room. Think you idiots. What were they trying to prove with that silliness?

Harassment. They should be so ashamed of themselves.

[Stephanie]

12. He is not in ICU anyway.

[MuseRider]

13. Ahhhh

I missed that. Was he moved today? Good.

[Stephanie]

29. He was moved yesterday

[emdee]

11. That was the stupidest link I've ever been sent to....

those people are NUTS.

I wanna wash my hands after going over there! ICK

emdee (edit on name)

[Name removed]

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[prodigal_green]

15. what in the world do they care

what we do with our money?

[Kelvin Mace]

17. I agree that they are doing a lot of this

because the are getting a rise out of us.

At this point, I suggest keeping us informed of any developments or problems via email/PM which they cannot monitor.

If they cross the line, they will be prosecuted.

Any written communications sent to the hospital should be retained for possible future use. Any threatening or harassing communications should be turned over to the police along with the link to FreeperLand and Ms. Harris' address which I can provide.

[wakeme2008]

18. IMHO this is just a BS post at FR

First thing you would have to ask yourself is Would they spend their OWN MONEY sending Andy a real Western Union telegram... IMHO NO.

[goodboy]

19. You can archive those threads, then take them to your local police

department's cyber crime division. They'll subpoena the IP addresses and take it from there. PM me for more info on what you need and who to talk to.

Has anyone archived those threads? I've got the threads that were pulled, as well as this one so far.

[goodboy]

20. FReeper "reewalker" wishing that Andy has "both"

types of cancer (which kind it is, from Will's blog) in reference to post 66 on FR


To: gardencatz
Good screed.

You may very well be correct in the pancreatitis. He had a tumor on the bile duct that collapsed it and a shunt was placed.

All this crap about having to wait at least a week to find out 'what kind of cancer it is', is a smoke screen by the inner circle, in hopes that this will get put on a back burner.

I'll put up money that sometime towards the end of next week we will see an 'OMG.. Andy got the best news today..He is sooo lucky...etc etc'. Then the group hug will start and they will shout down anyone who questions the shilling of 'pancreatic cancer', 'death's door','he will die without the Whipple', 'JH has the best survival rate' etc back in April.

The people of the inner circle of this are so arrogant, and the dupes at DU are so stupid it is amazing.

There are two plausible reasons for all of this:

Andy heard 'possible pancreatic cancer' from his Dr in Wa and freaked, sfexpat took it unto herself to 'get him the best care' without finding out what he actually suffered from, started the money shill and now has to cover up all of her mistakes.

Andy is in trouble in WA. and if he had the necessary surgery there, he would have to get rid of all assets, open up his financial books for scrutiny, and possibly Termite might have to sell the house. So he gets his syncopates to start the 'Andy's gonna die' shill and gets accepted to a very fine out of state facility for the procedure.
66 posted on 05/27/2005 5:06:11 AM PDT by SCALEMAN (Super Cards/Rams Fan)
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To: SCALEMAN

I'd vote for a combination of both ...

67 posted on 05/27/2005 5:29:30 AM PDT by ReeWalker (Just shoot me!! My GPA dropped to a 3.76)
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Here's her ICQ number if anyone's interested

ICQ #34985198

[EFerrari]

23. I can't decide: is this just stupid or is it also envious?

I seriously hope nothing happens to these people because if they can't imagine helping anyone out, they can't imagine being helped. What a sad, sad world that must be.

[SmokingJacket]

40. Yeah, envious.

It must suck to be party to that hatefest, when there are real, decent people out there doing good things.

I hope they take a little break, think about what they're doing, and realize that it's no way to spend a life.

Have I thanked you for your work on this yet? If not, ***THANKS*** :hug:

[EFerrari]

49. Hey, there's so much thanks to go around.

DUers, YOU ROCK

[hippiegranny]

31. why, tell me, WHY

on earth do these people give so much as a shit about this? What a bunch of tiddlywankers.

[EFerrari]

36. "tiddlywankers"!

Is that someone who sends inappropriate telegrams?

:rofl:

[EFerrari]

21. Hi, everyone

I just wanted to check in for a moment.

I, too, received an unexpected delivery today to my residence. A Duer kept PMailing me this question: Do you have any rice? The whole thing was sort of disturbing.

First thought, we'd been caught up in this horrible web of hyperscrutiny and harassment and downright stalking. And this time, it was obviously an inside job. :(

Then, there was a knock at the door and it was the postman with a package. A suspicious package, white Styrofoam. And I didn't recognize the sender. Now what do I do?

Who was this "Mary Mahoney" and how did she find me? Okay, well we're in the phonebook but, forget that. I took all the pets into another room while Doug opened it. (I told him to be careful but didn't worry as he's so big, if he got blown up, I could probably piece together a reasonably good facsimile.)

Well, they did it this time. A DUer sent me some really fine gumbo which we're fixing to eat as soon as it finishes thawing. Unless I can't hold Doug back, and he sucks it frozen. :eyes:

[Hello_Kitty]

22. "I could probably piece together a reasonably good facsimile"

OMG that's hysterical!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[wakeme2008]

24. And the problem is

:) :) :) :)

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

25. ROFL!!!

Wish I were in the area..I'd come get me some good gumbo!

[EFerrari]

26. Me, too!

It's a really big bucket!

:hi:

[Stephanie]

30. LOL!

See! That's the difference between us and them!

[merh]

39. .....

:rofl: got rice? :rofl:

:eyes: The question is, what moron sends gumbo without rice in the first place! :crazy:

Yaya!

[EFerrari]

44. In two weeks, this will be posted somewhere as the Fishy Delivery

Scam.

Thanks, merh! Eleven years in, and I still have my taste buds.

:rofl:

[merh]

45. Can you imagine the hits on that website!

:rofl: :rofl:

[EFerrari]

46. Damn! How did I miss that one.

:)

[Generic Other]

28. Washington State has cyberstalking laws

Sec. 1. A new section is added to chapter 9.61 RCW to read as follows:
(1) A person is guilty of cyberstalking if he or she, with intent to harass, intimidate, torment, or embarrass any other person, and under circumstances not constituting telephone harassment, makes an electronic communication to such other person or a third party:
(a) Using any lewd, lascivious, indecent, or obscene words, images, or language, or suggesting the commission of any lewd or lascivious act;
(b) Anonymously or repeatedly whether or not conversation occurs; or
(c) Threatening to inflict injury on the person or property of the person called or any member of his or her family or household.
(2) Cyberstalking is a gross misdemeanor, except as provided in subsection (3) of this section.

(3) Cyberstalking is a class C felony if either of the following applies:
(a) The perpetrator has previously been convicted of the crime of harassment, as defined in RCW 9A.46.060, with the same victim or a member of the victim's family or household or any person specifically named in a no-contact order or no-harassment order in this or any other state; or
(b) The perpetrator engages in the behavior prohibited under subsection (1)(c) of this section by threatening to kill the person threatened or any other person.

(4) Any offense committed under this section may be deemed to have been committed either at the place from which the communication was made or at the place where the communication was received.

(5) For purposes of this section, "electronic communication" means the transmission of information by wire, radio, optical cable, electromagnetic, or other similar means. "Electronic communication" includes, but is not limited to, electronic mail, internet based communications, pager service, and electronic text messaging.

http://www.haltabuse.org/resources/laws/washington.shtml

[Stephanie]

32. thanks - I think for the telegram applicable law would have to be Nebraska

Nebraska, where the telegram originated, or Maryland, where it was sent. But for the previous stuff we can look at the WA laws, thanks.

[Stephanie]

33. Here's what they claim to have sent >

To: imskylark

Specific words of the telegram:



All sincere good wishes for a quick and complete recovery, from your fans at the DUmmie FUnnies.




That's it. Sound threatening?

230 posted on 05/27/2005 4:11:06 PM PDT by franksolich (crime never pays)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1411407/posts?q=1&&page=245#245

[NMDemDist2]

34. man, Andy won't like that a bit--- he knows it's a slam against us n/t

[EFerrari]

35. Andy probably won't even be troubled by it. He's got good help

and lots of important stuff to do, like get well and enjoy all the messages of support he's getting.

:)

[NMDemDist2]

37. thanks Pat, and well... just thanks! n/t

[goodboy]

38. Here's a nice little exchange about calling Andy in his room:

To: All
If you could speak to Andy...what would you ask?

I'm going to call him shortly, so this is important.
246 posted on 05/27/2005 5:10:21 PM PDT by Krodg
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To: Krodg

Was he offended by the telegram from DU FU'ers?

247 posted on 05/27/2005 5:24:26 PM PDT by Amityschild (DUmmie is as DUmmie does)
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To: Krodg

Why are you calling him?

248 posted on 05/27/2005 5:43:53 PM PDT by CAluvdubya (Let's exercise the "Byrd" option!)
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To: CAluvdubya; Krodg

if you think about it, it may not be the best idea to call him.

249 posted on 05/27/2005 5:48:33 PM PDT by commonguymd (My impatience is far more advanced than any known technology.)
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To: CAluvdubya

I'm calling because I have show tunes running through my head...

250 posted on 05/27/2005 5:48:48 PM PDT by Krodg
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1411407/posts?page=248#248

[RevolutionStartsNow]

41. Wow, those people must be really bored...

or just trying to keep themselves from having to think about what a disaster their boy king president is...

[EFerrari]

47. That's right. What, stem cell research is getting funded?

Bolton being rejected? Let's send a telegram to a recovering surgery patient! Downing Street memo? Let's send a telegram!

(Sort of reminds me of the REM song, "I'm going to Disneyland".)

Hey, I'd like them all to spend their time and money sending telegrams to sick people who won't even notice. We should just provide these geniuses a list of in patients who need cheery messages.

:)

[Cocoa]

42. it's just as wrong when they do it as when "we" do it

by "we" I mean the BBVers on DU who frequently engaged in this kind of thing and worse against their perceived enemies.

DU doesn't allow this behavior; the admins removed the posts. I wonder if FR has similar rules?

[Stephanie]

48. Oh really!

When the fuck did WE ever engage in behavior like this, Cocoa?