Christian Taliban Aims to 'turn' Gay kids Straight.

[reprehensor]

(At link, scroll down to 'Christian Concentration Camps' for live hyperlinks. -r.)

Meet Bryan. While You're Enjoying Your Summer, He's Being Sent To A Conservative Christian "Concentration" Camp Where They Make Gay Kids 'Normal' Again.

In the sleepy suburb of Memphis, Tennessee one of many Christian Concentration camps has attracted public attention and outrage. It seems that young man Bryan, who is 16, decided that he would tell his parents he was gay.

Bad idea- his parents are fundamentalist Baptists and they knew just what to do. Bryan has been shipped off to camp to be "straightened out".

Right from the start you can see that these people, at this camp, are sick..very sick and dangerous people...

Here is a statement from FROM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF LOVE IN ACTION, John Smid who operates THE REFUGE,the camp in which Bryan has been forced to attend. The Love In Action website describes the camp as "an intensive program designed to minister to adolescents struggling with broken and addictive behaviors, such as promiscuity, alcohol & drug addiction and homosexuality".

"I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle. In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery."

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[xray s]

1. WHAT THE FUCK!

"I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle. In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery."

THAT IS NOT CHRISTIANITY! THAT IS FASCIST NAZI HATE!!!! PIGS! IT'S A SHORT WALK FROM THAT STATEMENT TO THE GAS CHAMBERS!


How the hell can any parent send their kid off to a mindfuck camp that tells them to COMMIT SUICIDE????

[cynatnite]

2. About the remark concerning suicide...

It's nowhere on their website. Maybe I'm not looking in the right place, but I haven't seen where it was stated anywhere.

[xray s]

3. It's one of the sickest things I have ever read

If it isn't on their website this post should be edited to take it out.

[reprehensor]

5. Working on it.

Sent an email to the blogger seeking a source.

[reprehensor]

15. 'Suicide' quote source.

Love In Action: The Final Indoctrination

Interview With Tom Ottosen, Former Love In Action Ex-Gay

By: Dennis Anderson

CULT: quasi-religious group, often living in a colony, with a charismatic leader who indoctrinates members with unorthodox or extremist views, practices or beliefs. --Webster's New World Dictionary.

"I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle. In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery." --The Final Indoctrination from John Smid, Director, Love In Action (LIA), San Rafael's "ex-gay" clan.

"That's exactly how he put it," states Tom Ottosen, 24, an expressive, articulate two year ex-LIA group member.

Ottosen says he clearly recalls that experience. He says it occurred in October of last year during his last one-on-one conference with John Smid, LIA's Executive Director, who claims to be able to change gay men into straight men through a live-in rigidly controlled indoctrination program Smid calls "reparative therapy."

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[reprehensor]

4. I'm looking into it.

I've sent an email to the blogger asking for a source.

[WhollyHeretic]

13. If you can verify the quote

these people need to be reported to the police for encouraging children to commit suicide. Those poor kids, coming of age, especially as a gay teen, is tough enough without this horrific shit. How can these parents do this to their children? Any parent who sends their children to as abusive (at least mentally, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was physical too) a place as this need to have their children taken away.

[reprehensor]

14. Ok, here is the 'suicide' source.

Love In Action: The Final Indoctrination

Interview With Tom Ottosen, Former Love In Action Ex-Gay

By: Dennis Anderson

CULT: quasi-religious group, often living in a colony, with a charismatic leader who indoctrinates members with unorthodox or extremist views, practices or beliefs. --Webster's New World Dictionary.

"I would rather you commit suicide than have you leave Love In Action wanting to return to the gay lifestyle. In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery." --The Final Indoctrination from John Smid, Director, Love In Action (LIA), San Rafael's "ex-gay" clan.

"That's exactly how he put it," states Tom Ottosen, 24, an expressive, articulate two year ex-LIA group member.

Ottosen says he clearly recalls that experience. He says it occurred in October of last year during his last one-on-one conference with John Smid, LIA's Executive Director, who claims to be able to change gay men into straight men through a live-in rigidly controlled indoctrination program Smid calls "reparative therapy."

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[Bouncy Ball]

6. And this is part of the reason why my husband and I left

all mainstream churches about three years ago.

And we aren't going back. We are UU now. I can't be associated with any church or group of people who even remotely think this kind of stuff is a good idea.

[Bouncy Ball]

7. Uh, so the guy doesn't realize that many Christian churches

frown on suicide and consider it a HUGE sin?

[FreedomAngel82]

11. Obviously not

:shrug: Suicide is one of the big no-no's of Christianity. I think it's probably more of a big no-no then being gay.

[Bouncy Ball]

12. Sha, I would say SO!

As a kid and teenager, I NEVER heard about the sin of being gay. But I sure heard about the sin of self-murder. That's a fairly big one.

[gate of the sun]

8. well that's how fundamentalists are

last summer my husband and I were taking a break at a lovely cabin for a few months in the mountains of New Mexico. Jemez Springs. Anyway our neighbor some sort of radical christian sent their daughter away for the summer to some brainwashing camp because she smoked pot one time. I felt very sorry for her.

[BiggJawn]

9. That's False Doctrine right there.

"... In a physical death you could still have a spiritual resurrection; whereas, returning to homosexuality you are yielding yourself to a spiritual death from which there is no recovery."

That is SO wrong. If you go to your PHYSICAL death without accepting JHC as your lord and saviour, come the Judgement you will be judged, and the "Lamb's Book of Life" checked for your name. IF your name is not in that book, you will be cast into the Lake of Fire, thuse suffering the SECOND Death, from which there is no resurection.

And NOTHING, except possibly blasphemy, (depends on what flavour cult you're mixed up with) can condemn you if you confess with your mouth that you are a sinner, and accept JHC as your personal Saviour.

Because on Calvary, the Thief asked Jesus "what must I do to be saved?" and Jesus said "verily, I say unto you, that ye shall be in Heaven with Me this day..."

But I guess to THESE Tali-born-agains that Homosexuality is FAR worst than blasphemy or thievery or murder...

I KNOW their Law. I studied it long and hard before i rejected it.

[FreedomAngel82]

10. These people are so sick

*sigh*

[noonwitch]

16. This kid needs to call CPS immediately

After reading all the program rules, my opinion is that this program amounts to emotional abuse. Any parent who forces a kid under 18 into this program is abusing their child-even those sent there for substance abuse issues. There are better programs for that out there.

But it is particularly cruel to treat a gay kid like he or she needs to change who they are, not what their behavior is (like an addict).

I'm reasonable sure that in most states, even Tennessee, the CPS workers would agree with me that this is abusive to the kid, unless the kid wants to attend.