Big Dog should have referenced the PNAC letter to back up

[tk2kewl]

his statement that Bush wanted to invade Iraq before he even got to the WH (last night's Letterman).

[Protagoras]

1. Has Bill Clinton ever mentioned, called out, or otherwise

criticized PNAC directly? They were, after all, corresponding with him back when he was president. So he's always been very well aware of them and their goals.

[tk2kewl]

2. not that I know of...

but I did think his statement that Bush wanted (planned) to invade Iraq before he even got to the WH was bold, but probably didn't really resonate with the average Joe as presented. If he had followed it up with evidence it would have stuck.

[Protagoras]

5. It's disappointing that Bill, who got one of the original

PNAC letters, hasn't been the leader for exposing them.

I used to love the Bigdog...but now I just have too many unanswered questions to feel completely trusting. Either he knows and chooses to say nothing because his hands are also dirty...or he chooses to say nothing because he feels like he shouldn't "rock the boat"...but either way...he knows.

And he should speak...clearly and directly. That would make me love him again.

[tk2kewl]

7. ...and after the bullshit these neocons put him through...

I would be out for blood!

[Cocoa]

6. he enacted their legislation

the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, as requested by PNAC.

[PsN2Wind]

3. All of the people against the fiasco

should be pointing out, every time the Downing Street minutes are brought up, that many, if not most, of Dubyas advisers, are PNACers and the minutes only affirm what had been planned by Dubyas handlers years ago. Why Clinton and others don't stress this connection baffles me.

[tk2kewl]

4. He really could do some damage if he publicly said...

"look, these same guys tried to pressure me into invading Iraq when I was president. I don't believe for a minute that they were acting in good faith when they presented their case for war to Congress and the UN. I don't personally have the evidence, but I think with some good investigating it would be found, that they deliberately manipulated the intelligence and lied to Congress."

How sweet would that be!?

[The2ndWheel]

8. Clinton signed the Iraq Liberation Act

It was based on the letter that they wrote to Clinton. Clinton bombed Iraq for years. He supported the economic sanctions that only hurt the Iraqi people.

My guess as to why Clinton and others have never even brought up PNAC would be that they like American dominance. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and the rest just had the balls to support it and put their names on paper.

Instead of the NAFTA type deals, and the WTO, the IMF, and all the other agreements that make things sound nice and fair for everyone, PNAC was just tired of the mushy middle of the language. "Fairness? Why even play around with the language if we don't mean it? We know fairness means American corporate interests. Hell, we make up the word fairness in these documents."

[readmylips]

9. I'm happy Dave L brought it up....

but I think Prez Clinton told the truth, he didn't know about the Downing minutes. Not much has been in the front pages of major newspapers. I did like that Prez Clinton talked about Cheney visiting the FBI and he was not there to have coffee or hold hands with them. Cheney is the devil in all of this, jr is the poodle.

[rman]

10. And we can't expect a former president to read more then the front pages.

How about PNAC then?
Hasn't been much about it in any papers, but we know Clinton knows about them because they were writing letters to Clinton when he was president.
Yet he doesn't mention them either.

[LSK]

11. Im seeing more and more of Clinton turning to the dark side

I was watching Hardball earlier and Trent Lott argued that if we annouced we are leaving Iraq by a certain date, that the insurgents would just lay back and wait for us to go.

Clinton on Letterman said the same thing. But what about the line of logic that maybe most of the insurgents just want us to leave??? And why would the insurgents attack their own people once we are gone???

Im having more and more doubts about Clinton.

[tk2kewl]

12. Frankley, I don't disagree with Bill's withdrawal logic

the plan needs to be for a command transfer to the UN, not a flat-out withdrawl.