Iraq's Worst; bush versus Hussein. It's a slam-dunk.

[LynnTheDem]

Saddam didn't kick the UN weapons inspectors out of Iraq.
http://www.fair.org/activism/post-expulsions.html

But bush did.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-17-inspectors-iraq_x.htm

Saddam targeted extremist Shite al-Sadr & his militia

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.html

So did bush.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/portrait_of_a_rebellion/

Saddam wouldn't let human rights groups into all prisons;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.html

Neither will bush.

Rights Groups Demand That US Open All Detention Facilities

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0510-01.htm

Officer Says Army Tried to Curb Red Cross Visits to Prison in Iraq

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0519-04.htm

War Crimes: Gen. Sanchez Hid Prisoner From Red Cross

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/061404B.shtml

Saddam arbitrarily arrested Iraqis; tortured Iraqis;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.html

So does bush.

70% to 90% of Iraq Prisoners 'Arrested by Mistake'

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0511-04.htm

Detainees Suffer Terror at US Hands; Red Cross Says Torture Part of Deliberate Tactic

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0512-10.htm

Iraqi Security Tactics Evoke the Hussein Era

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/la-fg-detainees19jun19,0,5477828.story?coll=la-home-headlines

Saddam arrested and tortured children;

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.html

So does bush.

Military Analyst Describes Abuse of 16-Year-Old in Iraq Prison

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0520-07.htm

Iraq's child prisoners

http://www.sundayherald.com/43796

*And wait until the so-far unreleased batch of Abu Ghraib photos and videos are made public. Be sure to cover your ears; the screaming of the children tortured by the US will scar your soul forever.

Saddam "disappeared" Iraqis;

http://hrw.org/worldreport99/mideast/iraq.html

http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/iraq/decade/sect4.html

So does bush.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A15981-2004May10.html

Hussein "mass-graved thousands" (5100 remains found to date);

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2004-07/18/content_1611454.htm

So does bush.

Mass graves to reveal Iraq war toll
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1021466,00.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A53654-2003Apr18?language=printer

http://www.sptimes.ru/archive/times/878/opinion/o_9708.htm

But BUSH is the winner of record number of Abu Ghraib detainees;

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200504/s1342893.htm

BUSH is the winner for double the child malnutrition rate

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-03-30-un-iraq-malnutrition_x.htm

BUSH is the winner for Iraqis 58 times more likely to die

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3962969.stm

BUSH is the winner for less oil & electricity

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/30/AR2005043001121.html

BUSH is the winner for less clean drinking water, sanitation

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/reconstruct/2005/0410waste.htm

BUSH is the winner for creating terrorists in Iraq

http://ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=25437

http://www.smh.com.au/news/After-Saddam/Iraq-a-terrorist-spawning-ground-CIA-admits/2005/02/17/1108609349394.html?oneclick=true

BUSH is the winner for creating terrorists outside Iraq

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3451239.stm

http://www.intellectualconservative.com/article2629.html

http://www.globalpolicy.org/empire/terrorwar/analysis/2004/0526iissreport.htm

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/archive/scoop/stories/c7/9d/200409100845.68f9c878.html

Into the third year of American "superiority", Iraqis Endure Worse Conditions Than Under Saddam

http://www.health-now.org/site/article.php?menuId=14&articleId=446

bush wins.

[gollygee]

1. Nominated!

great great collection there!

[stellanoir]

2. Yet another phenomenal

compilation of info Lynn. Thanks so much and nominated.

[Hissyspit]

3. Great approach, Lynn. Bookmarked and nominated, as usual.

On Edit: Nitpicky, but I would say "forced out" the inspectors instead of "kicked out..."

[Hissyspit]

4. Saddam manipulated and pushed his people into unnecessary war...

So did Bush.

[mzmolly]

5. What a bold and well researched thread. Recommended.

How very sad this information is.

[southernleftylady]

6. But..but.. but... freedom is on the march! We are America!

we can do no wrong :eyes:

[Triana]

7. george w. bush is a TERRORIST ...

...and a madman. I've said before he is no better than Saddam or the terrorists. He IS part of the problem.

[chknltl]

8. And Bush used WMD

....in the form of Depleted Uranium Munitions.
http://www.uruknet.info/?p=m11678&l=i&size=1&hd=0
http://www.journalhome.com/aspendouglas/2951
http://www.web-light.nl/VISIE/extremedeformities.html

[WePurrsevere]

16. Remember 'Nam? US also has used a new and improved NAPALM

Everytime I think of this the horrifying image from 'Nam flashes in my mind and I truly feel ill and angry that we would do such a horrible thing to people. What makes it even more horrifying is that from what I understand the new stuff is worse.

[chknltl]

23. Re: your link, thanks I had not seen that before.

...I had seen a photo from a soldior over in Iraq of an area which he/she saw a napalm strike comitted recently. :nuke: :grr:

[knowbody0]

9. nominated

thank you LynnTheDem. you are SPOT ON

[cynatnite]

10. It makes me sick

Great job with the research and the links. Kicked and nominated.

[AuntiBush]

11. Excellent Post, Lynn! Hit All on the Nail Regarding Iraq

Over there.

You'd have to write a 10 Volume to cover him over here and there. Is it any wonder many of us no longer can bear to hang out our flags.

Worse Prez ever.
Worse 1st Lady (lightly used) ever!
Worse V.P. ever - thief, all of them!
Rove - what is he? Who elected him? No one yet he makes the policies!
And the whole gang of them.

Nicely done. :thumbsup:

[Disturbed]

13. Good work.

Not to be negative on your hard work but in my view the Video of shrub in the skit mocking the search for WMDs says more without words than all of the documentation. I ahve asked Mopaul to send it to Rep. Conyers to air at the end of the next meeting. If a majority of Amerikans saw that Video it just may shock them into pushing for the Impeachment of the entire Bush Criminal Regime.

[LynnTheDem]

14. Oh but bush mocking the reason he gave for the deaths of our troops only

matters to people who give a shit about honor and integrity and morality and honesty and the rule of law.

That leaves out most all republicans, bush & his Cartel especially included.

[kittenpants]

12. that's amazing

very well done & sad to think about. Thanks for your work.

[leftchick]

15. this is the worst...

:cry:

~snip~

It was early last October that Kasim Mehaddi Hilas says he witnessed the rape of a boy prisoner aged about 15 in the notorious Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq. “The kid was hurting very bad and they covered all the doors with sheets,” he said in a statement given to investigators probing prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib. “Then, when I heard the screaming I climbed the door … and I saw who was wearing a military uniform.” Hilas, who was himself threatened with being sexually assaulted in Abu Graib, then describes in horrific detail how the soldier raped “the little kid”.
In another witness statement, passed to the Sunday Herald, former prisoner Thaar Salman Dawod said: “ two boys naked and they were cuffed together face to face and was beating them and a group of guards were watching and taking pictures and there was three female soldiers laughing at the prisoners. The prisoners, two of them, were young.”

It’s not certain exactly how many children are being held by coalition forces in Iraq, but a Sunday Herald investigation suggests there are up to 107. Their names are not known, nor is where they are being kept, how long they will be held or what has happened to them during their detention.

Proof of the widespread arrest and detention of children in Iraq by US and UK forces is contained in an internal Unicef report written in June. The report has – surprisingly – not been made public. A key section on child protection, headed “Children in Conflict with the Law or with Coalition Forces”, reads: “In July and August 2003, several meetings were conducted with CPA (Coalition Provisional Authority) … and Ministry of Justice to address issues related to juvenile justice and the situation of children detained by the coalition forces … Unicef is working through a variety of channels to try and learn more about conditions for children who are imprisoned or detained, and to ensure that their rights are respected.”

[cynatnite]

20. It breaks my heart

and it pisses me off to no end.

When those first Abu Ghraib pics came out I said 'they are not part of the military I was in'. The people I knew would never take part in anything so inhumane.

I still want to believe it, but I do remember one instance of a fellow medic intentionally mistreating a patient because he thought the guy was faking it.

I don't know what to think about any of this anymore.

:cry:

[arikara]

35. I remember a story a year or so ago

where some Iraqi school kids were taunting US soldiers. The soldiers grabbed one of the 15 year old boys and frogmarched him away. There were pictures, the poor kid looked terrified. I was sickened not only by what happened but by some of the reaction around here saying that it served the kid right etc. That poor boy could well be one of the ones that have disappeared into the depths of Abu Ghraib to be tortured for the crime of what??? Throwing a rock and yelling at his country's armed invaders?

[Redstone]

17. I was going to suggest you find a way to get this on the

Freeper site, but it would be a waste of time.

Even if they could read it, they'd just say it's all Clinton's fault.

You gotta give them credit for one thing; they are steadfast in their obliviousness.

Redstone

[cynatnite]

19. It'll be worse

They're a bunch of racist jerks who look at those not like them as being beneath them. They don't give a shit about the torture of children who don't live in this country.

[Rainscents]

18. Nominated and bookmarked this page... I may need it to debunk!

Thanks!

[are_we_united_yet]

21. This was a large effort.

Thanks for compiling the information.

[LynnTheDem]

22. You're welcome.

:hug:

[IChing]

24. You rule on your work, thanks once again

n/t

[Poiuyt]

25. Great work, Lynn!

[LynnTheDem]

26. Thanks, everyone!

:hug:

[Karenina]

27. Back to One!

:kick:

[WePurrsevere]

28. Excellent info... Sorry I forgot to post a thanks for all the info...

and the time it took to research and post it all. :)

Besides.. I'm in the mood to *kick* something this morning. ;)

[LynnTheDem]

30. I know some peoples you could kick...

:D

[frictionlessO]

29. Kicked in the name of all that is good and right with this world.....

or some such inane and useless precept...

Thanks for the facts Ma'am!

[LynnTheDem]

31. You're welcome, sir!

:)

[Vladimir]

32. And the Iraqis lose

but hey, they got to vote this time - right?

[LynnTheDem]

40. The Iraqis have been losing for 50 years.

Too bad they're sitting on that big puddle of oil. If a new oil-substitute were found that the oil companies had exclusive rights to, watch how fast the USA and UK (and don't forget Poland!) lose all interest in Iraq.

[Old and In the Way]

33. You know this stuff drives them crazy.....

all of their propaganda balloons go 'pop', 'pop', 'pop' when you organize the facts in such an impressive way.

Thanks and nominated.

[gordianot]

34. Shattered a couple of my illusions. Excellent

If Politicians were as focused.

[arikara]

36. Good job, here's another link for your mass graves section

Its from poppies invasion but very relevent as they keep implying that the old graves are saddam's work.

http://www.digitaljournalist.org/issue0211/sloyan.html

[LynnTheDem]

41. I have a separate "mass graves" post;

Included in Iraq's mass graves are:

-Centuries of deaths; CNN rushed to print about a "mass grave" discovered in Iraq in 2003. It was an old cemetary; newer graves were dug on top of older settled remains.

-Kurds killing Kurds during their 30 years of Fratricide War, and in the process killed more Kurds than the number of Kurds killed by Turkey, Iran, and Hussein combined. (Blame for that 30 years' war? Kurd Talabani and his rival Kurd Barzani; Talabani is the current prez of Iraq. Both were Saddam allies. Ain't Life's Irony a kick in the head.)

-Turkey killing Kurds, and dead Turks killed by the Kurds

-Iranians dead from Iran-Iraq war

-Kurds & Iraqis dead from Iran-Iraq war

-10,000s Iraqis slaughtered by the 1991 insurgents

-10,000s Iraqis slaughtered by the Iraqi government putting down the 1991 insurgents

-100,000s of Iraqis killed during US & UK's bombing the crap out of Iraq during Gulf I

-1000s of Iraqis killed by US forces bulldozing over them alive during Gulf I

-10,000s killed (Gen. Tommy Franks estimated 30,000 in the first 3 weeks of invasion) during US invasion of Iraq 2003

-10,000s killed from 2003-current by US & UK bombings and shootings

-And then anywhere from "we won't speculate on numbers" (HRW) to "millions" (rightwingnut morans and bush puppet Allawi) murdered by Saddam's orders.

And I guess we can toss in HRW and AI's "16,000 Iraqis unaccounted for over the past decade".

Sure hope nobody one day decides to use America's mass graves as reason to attack us. Coz we got plenty of them ourselves. And a whole lot of them were "killed their own people".

[Maestro]

37. Awesome post!

Not too much more to say except wow!

[confludemocrat]

38. Oh my god, my hair stood up, you are awesome LynntheDem

Bush doesn't give a shit about Iraq and he doesn't give a shit about the U.S.A. His opponents "unpatriotic"? Obscene.

[confludemocrat]

39. You know, Saddam will never go on trial

Something will happen to him. They have already tried to discredit his defense team as crazy. They never want these facts to come out in a "trial", not even one that the MSM will surely ignore.

[LynnTheDem]

42. I think bush & Co are damned worried coz they know Americans would be

sitting with noses glued to the telly screen watching Hussein's trial. And should it be in any way a fair & impartial trial (laf) a whole lotta ugly FACTS are gonna come out.

Like the way bush and his pundits went on and on about Hussein's attacking Iran just for fun coz he's a madman. A lot of Americans might understand why Hussein attacked, when they learn that Iran was publicly announcing their intention to overthrow and/or kill Hussein & his govt, that Iran made assassination attempts, that Iran bombed Basra University, killing hundreds of students, that Iran bombed Iraq's border towns...see, if Canada or Mexico were to do any of that to America, chances are pretty good the USA would attack.

And then there's the several attempts Hussein made for diplomatic solutions with Iran; every one of which Iran refused and told Hussein to go spin. And then there's the Iran-Iraq war, where by 1982 Hussein was trying to cease-fire with Iran by withdrawing all Iraqi troops back into Iraq and offering talks; Iran refused, and invaded Iraq. And Hussein made several more attempts to stop the fighting, every one of which Iran refused, until finally Hussein was able to get the US and other Big Nations involved due to their worries over the escalating Tanker War (losing Basra oil to Iran).

Kinda tough to explain why you went on and on and on about the need to invade and Americans needed to die to get the "madman" who waged evil nasty crazy war against Iran after the public learns about all the attempts for peace Hussein in fact attempted with Iran that Iran refused.

Not to mention, of course, the incredibly dirty US involvement in that war; IraqGate, Iran-Contra, selling info and supplies to both sides, urging Iran NOT to accept a cease-fire with Iraq...

And should the US public hear all about the many US government and US Marine Corps and US Military and CIA reports about the "gassing his own people"...well it wouldn't be so easy to explain to Americans why all these reports say Iran and Iraq were BOTH using mustard gas against each others' troops (2% lethal rate) and NOT against civilians other than those "caught in the crossfire" as the CIA's report puts it, or why several of the reports say the civilians in Halabjah were killed by Iranian gas, not Iraqi gas.

And should any actual AI reports come up, the "scores killed" (a score = 20) each year in death-penalty cases and extrajudicial killings just isn't gonna have the same effect as bush & pundits' constant "he murdered millions" rhetoric before 86 scores of Americans died. Especially if Husseion's lawyers were to bring up Israel's AI reports. Or Saudi's. Pakistan's. Uzbekistan's. Or their recent reports on America.

And then there's the photos of Saddam and his buddy Rummy shaking hands; most Americans are still unaware of that. And Cheney's meeting with Iraqi officials. And teh US gov documents sitting as we type in the National Security Archives talking about the US desire for better, closer ties with Saddam. AFTER Hussein's various alleged atrocities.

And then there's the facts on the Kurds most Americans have no clue of, such as their 30 years of "Fratricide War", where the 2 Kurd leaders (Talabani, current prez of Iraq and his rival Kurd Barzani) caused more Kurd deaths than anyone.

Americans may not like hearing what good allies Talabani was with Hussein, even publicly hugging and kissing Saddam (AFTER the Gulf War, AFTER the "he gassed his own Kurds"), or the fact that Kurd rival Barzani was also a Saddam ally who went to Hussein for help in Barzani's war against Talabani. WAY after the Gulf War, WAY after the "he gassed his own Kurds"),

And most Americans are unaware of what we did in 1991 in Iraq, such as the Basra highway massacre and bulldozing Iraqis alive and shooting surrendering white-flag Iraqis.

And then there's the "rebel uprisings". I don't think most Americans are aware that the rebels weren't just prancing around chanting "down with Saddam". They slaughtered tens of thousands of Iraqis.

As one rebel Shi'ite said; "There were bodies everywhere! It was glorious."

That Saddam in turn slaughtered the rebels...well, what with US and Fallujah (twice) and US and Basra, and US and Ramadii (twice) and US and Mosul, I think many Americans would be rather more understanding about a government putting down armed insurgents than bush would want them to be when it's not the US doing the putting down.

Of course there's the "who supplied Iraq (and Iran) with chemicals and how-to for nukes and bio agents". That would be us.

And with the recent AI, HRW, ICRC and UN reports stating that there were NO ongoing or imminent atrocities being committed in Iraq and hadn't been any since the rebels/putting down rebels in 1991, and that bush can NOT declare Iraq a "humanitarian intervention", which makes sense coz ya just can't intervene something that isn't happening, that would make it a bit tough for bush to explain why 1700+ Americans needed to die and 15,000+ needed to lose eyes and/or limbs for non-existant "humanitarian" reasons.

So no, I don't expect there to be any trial.

[confludemocrat]

43. Oh my god, I didn't know 1/10th of this!

makes you sick to your stomach.

[arikara]

44. kick

:kick: