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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:26 AM
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Hello From London
Edited on Tue Jul-12-05 11:40 AM by Plaid Adder
Well, it's Tuesday, and so far so good.

Getting in was about as annoying and exhausting as it usually is, with the added hassle of having to get a cab once the Heathrow Express dumped me off at Paddington, and then discovering that he couldn't actually get to the hotel because so many of the surrounding roads were still blocked off. My hotel is right on Russell Square, which is part of what the police over here are now calling "the largest crime scene in London history." One of the bombed trains is still being dug out right underneath it and the bus bombing was about a block and a half away. Police tape is still everywhere. The entrances that lead to the excavation sites are screened off with white plastic sheeting. Every day when I come back to the hotel I pass a couple of media crews setting up for the evening broadcast. That kind of gives me the creeps, seeing them standing there in their suits getting wired for sound in front of that blank white background.

Although there have been some false alarms, there have been no new 'incidents.' I had a moment of pause when I saw a police canine unit on the street outside the Chinese restaurant where I ate Sunday night. A lone Fox News cameraman was filming it. No doubt they needed to fill up some space in their 24 hour schedule between asshole commentators talking about what a wonderful opportunity for the US this was.

At the nearest corner of Russell Square to the crime scene people have started leaving flowers and notes. Reading stuff like that always makes me cry, as does seeing the posters up with pictures of people who are still missing. For legal reasons and because I think the media culture over here is just different, the names of the dead are being released much more slowly than they would be in America. The first one was just announced Monday night. They are still trying to recover bodies from the bus site and from the train under Russell Square, so it will be a long time before some people know. I hate thinking about what that must be like. They have to realize on some level that most of the missing are dead, but it must be very hard to accept.

There is a lot of coverage in the media over here, but because they don't have the 24-hour cable scourge (at least my hotel doesn't get those networks, if they exist) there seems to be more actual reporting and less OHMYGODOHMYGODOHMYGODAAAAAAAAAGHBEVERYVERYVERYAFRAID!!!! One of the reports I saw mentioned a website that went up Thursday called wearenotafraid.com, where I guess people go and post messages saying the terrorist attack has failed to terrify you so sucks to them. Which seems to me like the only really useful response to something like this; after all, terrorism depends for its impact not on the incident itself but on the way the victims and their state respond to it.

This is not to say that people haven't been shaken by this. No matter where you go you hear people talking about it. (Often they are American tourists...but not always.) The notes left with the flowers can be as bewildered, grieving, angry and raw as anything you would have found at Ground Zero in Manhattan. There's one at Russell Square that says, "Why? In the most multicultural, multi-ethnic, accepting city in Europe, why?" Don't know enough to debate London's claim to that title, but it did point out to me that America, England, Afghanistan, and Iraq all have something in common now. In all four places, civilians who never wanted to fight anyone are getting killed because of their so-called and, in the case of al Qaeda (and Bush, depending on who you believe), illegitimate self-appointed leaders. One of the survivors of one of the tube blasts was, somehow, able to stand up to a fairly long interview with a journalist who basically followed her home, and she said, "If this is a response to the Iraq war then it's even more wrong, because most of us didn't support it. I didn't support it because I didn't think it would solve anything." And, as the BBC has been quick to inform everyone, it's virtually certain that this attack will have killed a number of British Muslims.

Anyway, my time is pretty much up, and I don't want to have to pay another pound for this. But I'm here, I'm all right, and really, when you get away from the police tape, everything looks pretty normal.

On edit: Aaah, fuck it, I'm gonna get stuck for the extra pound anyway, so I wanted to mention something I forgot:

Sunday night, because I'm a moron, I stayed up watching a BBC Panorama special report on "the new al Qaeda," and then couldn't sleep for 3 hours. Basically the summary is that the 'old al Qaeda' infrastructure is not what it once was, so things like the London and Madrid bombings are likely being carried out by younger, less centrally-organized groups who are probably working from home. Not earthshattering, but it was interesting to see the ways in which Panorama repeats some of the kind of crap that American reports on al Qaeda do (for instance, getting an actor with a heavy accent to read out loud from Islamic extremist websites, complete with bloodthirsty slavering, instead of just using a translator) but on the other hand also does things you wouldn't, say, see Fox News do...like actually letting their interview subjects talk.

C ya,

The Plaid Adder
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:29 AM
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1. Thanks for the report, Plaid!
I always enjoy reading travel reports from astute commentators.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:32 AM
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2. Thanks for checkin' in. Stay safe, hon! *hugs*
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CottonBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:35 AM
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3. Thank you so much for that great report from London.
It is very interesting to hear how the TV news and media are so different than here in the US. I hope that you have great time in such a wonderful city! Cheers! CB
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:38 AM
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4. You were lucky, I think, to get a hotel in the center of London
in the peak tourist season... did they have cancellation?

Of course they have 24 hour Tv: CNN international and Sky News, as an example

Yes, London is one of the most multi culture and multi ethnic cities, Amsterdam may be more. Mostly, as a former colonial country it made it easy for the former "natives" to migrate to it.

I really wish that DUers and other liberals would not use such tragedies to promote the idea that such bombs are the fault of Bush (and Blair, and Karzai?)

Do you really think that the death of 3,000 on Sept. 11 was because of "illegitimate self-appointed leaders?" Sure, we did not accept Bush then but what did they care? Do you doubt the legitimacy of Blair?

As we are starting to look at the spread of radical Islam in Europe and in the Americas, we will have to conclude that the Muslim Brotherhood, founded in 1920s Egypt as a social-reform movement, became the fountainhead of political Islam, which calls for the Muslim religion to dominate all aspects of life. A powerful force for political change throughout the Muslim world, the Brotherhood also inspired some of the deadliest terrorist movements of the past quarter century, including Hamas and al Qaeda.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:38 AM
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5. Hey Plain Adder
Good to hear your safe. Now could you do me a favor and send me some of that oustanding fish-n-chips from the Prince of Wales pub in Kensington square? It's lunch time here in Florida and I have a hankerin' for some icelandic cod and a couple of pints.

Take care over there, and tell Tony the poodle not to let the chimp visit the UK anymore and you guys will proably be safer in the long run. We'll take care of his ass over here for you. I look forward to the DU threads about 4 years from now when we will probably be discussing the stories of Chimpy wandering around his pig farm puking up bourbon while in a drunken fog he is tortured by his legacy as the most moronic and failed POS to occupy the White House in the history of the U.S.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:40 AM
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6. Thanks for the report.
Great to hear from you. :hi:

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whatever4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 11:47 AM
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7. What a fantasic post! Thank you. Plaid is just the best :) nt
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 12:01 PM
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8. Plaid, I'm pleased you chose to come and visit.
And in such nice weather.

If you feel like meeting up for a drink later on, Mrs Taxloss and I will be having a swifty near Victoria in an hour or two.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 01:53 PM
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13. Thanks, Taxloss! Saw this too late but appreciate the thought. n/t
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:17 PM
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9. Courage! n/t
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bloom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:33 PM
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10. It's good to hear from you
and to hear your story.

I'm curious about people there and who they think is responsible - just as a gut reaction - without any "proof" of anything.

The New York Times had a story about about wearenotafraid.com site today - saying that it had become more like a haves vs. the have-nots display. :shrug:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/12/arts/design/12boxe.html?th&emc=th
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 03:39 PM
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11. Thanks for the superb post. Looking forward to hearing more
about what you see and hear from an authentic media (at least more authentic than ours).
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-12-05 05:45 PM
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12. thanks for calling in!
Glad to hear that you managed to get in without too many hassles. Have a great stay and a safe trip home.

As a British friend of mine remarked the other day -- the way they do things, at least you won't have the hazard of tripping on patriotic coloured banners, or getting scratched to death by countless sharp-edged Union Jack flag pins.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-13-05 02:07 PM
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14. "accepting" may be the key word
Edited on Wed Jul-13-05 02:08 PM by SoCalDem
Just the term implies that there is an "elite" that is "accepting" of others..and that favor is capable of being withdrawn..

It's like when a host says.."Make yourself at home"..People rarely take that offer seriously.(to the delight of the host)..

People who go to a different culture (these days) often have no idea what will be expected of them, and some have no intention of assimilating. They like the idea of relocating to a place, but do not fully accept the culture of the new place.. They carve out niches where they gather with others like them, who came earlier, but instead of spending a while in the "in-between", they are content to stay there forever..to the consternation of the locals who are williing to "accept", but never really "know"..

We have it here, Europe has it..Most places who welcome immigration, have physical immigration these days, but few have psychological immigration..



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Enjoy your trip, and put on your "extra eyes & ears"..stay safe :)
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