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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:39 PM Original message |
Ethanol takes more oil to produce than it saves. |
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Squatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. How much ethanol does it take to produce ethanol? |
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liam_laddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
2. energy cost to make ethanol? |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:52 PM Original message |
I think that for the whole process |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
3. At best ethanol is a stop gap measure.... |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
4. Ethanol sucks. |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Methanol makes a darn fine fuel for my homemade backpacking stove. :^) |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Methanol has a lower energy density than ethanol |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 03:25 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. The Environmental Concern Is Twofold |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:58 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. So Skids (et al) is ethanol a good stop gap solution? Is there something.. |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Ethanol is a great additive, that's all. |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
6. I can make ethanol without using ANY oil whatsoever |
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chaska (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. But how does this translate in commercial terms? |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Ever been to a brewery or distillery? |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. Sorry, tuttle, But No |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Thanks for the methanol info |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Two Questions: Two Answers |
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htuttle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Thanks again! |
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jmowreader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 07:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
29. No, there's oil in that |
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Tommymac (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
8. Ethanol is Making Brazil Energy Independent.... |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
11. I am from Iowa where gasahol is a religion |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. Let me add that if ethanol gets real big |
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kansasblue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
13. it seems to be economically feasible. |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
19. You can make it with very little oil, if you want... |
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Syncronaut Seven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. An alternative to distillation, Cool! |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
21. kick |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. No, EPR IS Positive |
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wuushew (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 03:56 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. That first study is pretty good |
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enid602 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
25. Brazil |
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Strelnikov_ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I Am Really Hoping A Flex-Fuel (E85) Pluggable Hybrid |
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hunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-12-05 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
28. Large scale agriculture is not benign. |
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