Need Transcript for Clark's 2001 Speech praising Republicans,

[JustJoe]

please. I thought I saw it in GD recently but
couldn't find it just now. I've seen bits & pieces
of what he said & parts of the the video but would
like the whole transcript to see it in context. Thanks.

EDIT: Lincoln Day Dinner, Little Rock, May 11, 2001.

[mhr]

1. I am interested as well!

2001 is recent history!

[kcordell]

2. Courtesy of Papau

Got this from Papau's thread on CNN/Tucker Carlson.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004065

[Pastiche423]

3. Link

We've got some challenges ahead in that kind of strategy. We're going to be active, we're going to be forward engaged. But if you look around the world, there's a lot of work to be done. And I'm very glad we've got the great team in office: men like Colin Powell, Don Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney, Condolzeezza Rice, Paul O'Neill--people I know very well--our president, George W. Bush. We need them there, because we've got some tough challenges ahead in Europe.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004065

[Zorra]

4. Saying that Ronald Reagan was a great leader.....

is like saying that Jeffery Dahmer was a great humanitarian. It simply is not true. Reagan was a lying crook who financially devastated the country, and Dahmer ate people.

Clark....Has he suddenly seen the light, and had a miraculous mystical conversion to Democratic philosophy? Does he still have conservative beliefs? Will he appoint conservative justices and Republican Cabinet members? Can we afford to take that risk?

[imax2268]

7. I wonder about that too...

but remember people are allowed to change their minds...

I bet he got tired of being lied to by this mis-administration...it's quite possible...

Hey...we all make mistakes...my father voted for Bush 1...later on he said that he would never vote republican again...

Besides...he was a military man...wouldn't have looked good on his record dissing the Thief-in-Chief...

[JustJoe]

5. Hmmm...

Thanks for the link.

The general theme of the speech is the USA has
the right and responsibility to save other nations
and give them what we have. And that foreign leaders who say
bad things about us are lying for domestic political
purposes. On the other hand, there are nuances, as
when he sees that the military can't save Columbia
from itself. But then he says the US military is "underfunded."
This from a man pledging to cut the military. Not one mention
of Iraq in his whole rundown of global affairs.

The criticism of Clinton seems very mild to me re delays
in Bosnia. He seems to put his spin on his ground troop
plan. But the praise of Reagan, both Bushes, and all the leading
liars and assholes of the * regime, that sits there
plain as steaming turds. It's not enough to just say
now that he was military and non-partisan back then.
His words ring very partisan to me. He was not walking
a neutral line in that speech--two years ago, while *
was President.

People do have authentic Damascus type conversions,
but what was Clark's? It just doesn't sound like
much of a reason to go Dem because he would have
been so "lonely" as a Repub, as he keeps saying in
trying to downplay the significance of his long
contemplation of going Dem or Repub. If there was such a
dramatic difference in his mind between his stands
and the stands of the Repubs, then why did it take
him so long to decide? If the delay was for political
purposes--to appear to be non-partisan so to attract
moderate Repubs--that seems so damn disingenuous.
Especially when I now read his words to this Repub
audience from just two years ago. Was it not a
fundraiser? And therefore was this not a speech used
to raise funds for Repubs? In 2001? He was clearly not
a Democrat of any conceivable stripe when he spoke
those words in 2001. It gives me great pause to
read his praise for the leading Repubs whose very
names cause my guts to lurch and my skin to crawl.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

6. Do you want General Clark to go back

and join the Republican Party and be very very lonely?
You probaly do.

[eileen_d]

9. Arnold! Will you autograph my boobs?

:hi:

[A-Schwarzenegger]

16. Are you a gal?

[eileen_d]

17. Yes - sorry for the confusion

I guess you're used to seeing lots of "big-chested" men when you work out. Please use this red sharpie.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

26. You know I am really very shy and married but

I guess I could close my eyes and try that.
What do you want me to say? A quotation from
Kierkegaard or that sort of thing?

[eileen_d]

27. No quotes, just summarize your energy policy

I think there's enough room here.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

28. Bring back Enron! -- Love, Arnold

[Eloriel]

8. It gives me more than pause

I continue to be alarmed by the DUers who are flocking to this non-political, non-governing, non-Democrat who just happens to believe (or has adopted) a few Democratic values.

Nobody, but NOBODY who thought Reagan was a good leader in any way shape or form deserves to be President, certainly not on the Democratic ticket.

We are in serious trouble if this guy goes anywhere.

Eloriel

[Pepperbelly]

10. I think you're ...

just as upset that Dean's bandwagon seems to have stalled. Newsflash! People are entitled to run and vote in ways that you do not necessarily like.

What a concept!

[Pastiche423]

13. It has nothing to do w/Dean

It has everything to do w/a man that "became" a democrat for expediency only. He mimics the liberal stances, but will not be able to sustain them, because they are surface held only.

A look at what has been discovered about him, just to this point, illuminates that truth. A man that brokered a deal to sell the names and addresses of American citizens for $300,000 to CAPPS is NOT a liberal. Big Brother is a liberal?

[Renew Deal]

14. You get to decide who's a liberal and who's not?

You know that Norm Mineta is in charge of the CAPPS II program? I think he was once a democrat. Until you decide he's not of course.

[Pastiche423]

23. Do you agree w/the CAPPS program?

[Pepperbelly]

18. you are ...

assuming things about the man that simply aren't true. He was raised with the values of an FDR Democrat, was primarily apolitical when in the Army and when he saw what Whistle-ass was doing to the country, he returned to his roots.

As time goes on, you will see this more and more, so long as you watch. He is a decent man and I mean in MY sense of the word, not the gops' sense of the word.

[Pastiche423]

25. This is too important

of an election to have to wait to see anything. clark has no history of progessive accomplishments for me to examine.

He may be a fine and decent man, but that does not make him presidential material.

A little more than three years ago, we heard a man promise Americans great things. Did you go by his words or his accomplishments?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

21. If General is really a Republican underneath then why

would he be VERY VERY LONELY if he had became one?
If I had to decide between two parties to go
to, what one would I go to? The one where a lot of
people were trying to get me to go to to make me
leader and slapping me on the back and didn't care
what I thought about anything......OR one where nobody
liked me anymore because they were jealous I was on
CNN and where they tried to get me fired and never
called me and also already had somebody who was leader of
the party? Hm, let me think....

[Julien Sorel]

12. Oh, The Humanity!

[rocktivity]

11. If he made the speech BEFORE 9/11/2001, what's the problem?

He says that "everything's changed" since then. And I'm sure he's not the only person who changed his opinion of the Bush Regime after 9/11. THIS is what the smear campaign is all about? I mean, if Clark is now lying about not liking Bush, why in the world is he running against him?


rocknation

[A-Schwarzenegger]

15. That's right because you liked Bush

until 9/-11 didn't you? I think the Democrats
liked Bush on May 2001 when General gave the speech.
So General Clark was just saying what everybody
thought on May 2001.

[Pepperbelly]

19. I didn't care much for Bushco

but I am not going to hold it against someone. I believe in people.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

20. Amen to people. Bush is people and

so is Condoleza, Rumsfield, VP Cheney and all the other
PEOPLE that General praised. General was just saying
he believes in people when he said that and all that.
General was being nice to them because he was giving
a speech to them. Do they want them to invite him and
go Please come over and insult us at dinner? Just because
you're nice to somebody and smile at them and praise them
doesn't mean you don't really hate them.

[Pepperbelly]

22. they have not yet ...

seen the light.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

24. Do you know about Plato's Parable of the Cave?

It is a beautiful story about light and
shadows and seeing things and all that
kind of thing.

[JVS]

29. Please, do tell!

Don't make me crack out my complete works of plato. If you don't want to tell the story just tell me the name of the text in which it can be found?

[A-Schwarzenegger]

30. Republic, Book VII

It's about these people that are chained up
their whole life in a cave so they can't even
move their heads. So what they see in front
of them is all there is to them. Then there are
these other people up higher that are walking
around carrying things like animals and fake
people that are made out of wood and rocks and
cardboard. Then there is a fire going behind the
second bunch of people, and then past that there is
the opening to the cave.

So the first people chained up all they see
is the shadows on the wall of the cave from
the other people with cardboard pictures and
figures that are walking in front of the fire.
They do not know that there are people walking
or that they are carrying fake things. Shadows
is all they see and all they get. When one of the
walking people say something the chained people
just hear an echo and think it is one of the shadows
making a noise.

So then Plato or Socrates says what if one of the
chained up people was to get freed or free themself
and stand up and turn around. Would he even be able
to walk toward the fire much less the light outside?
The walking people and the cardboard things would not
look real compared to the shadows he had know so well.
The fire would burn through his eyes like hot pokers
(hot pokers not in Plato).

Would he want to go back to his chains and his shadows?
What would happen if he got brave and kept looking and
moved toward the light?

It goes on. It's pretty good. Also good is the Noble Lie
that Socrates makes up (or Plato makes him make up) about
how you have to lie to the people to keep them happy and
in their place.

[Loyal]

31. Arnold hiiii!!!!

I wouldn't vote for you but I loved Terminator 3!