I'm debating a FReep at work. He wants me to illustrate Bush is a liar

[mistertrickster]

by having me identify Bush's BIGGEST lie so we can "discuss" it. He defines "lie" as a statement uttered with knowledge aforethought that the statement is untrue.

What would you say is Bush's biggest lie? It's got to be clear and blatant.

[Gidney N Cloyd]

1. "There's no plan on my desk for invading Iraq."

[Democracy White]

2. How about when Bush said

that there were WMD's in Iraq but the UN inspectors say that there weren't?

That's all I can think of right now.

dee

[whosinpower]

41. THIS IS A PROVEN LIE

When addressing the media regarding going back to the UN security council for authorization of force - or a second resolution (which is what Blair said he needed LEGALLY)

Bush stated emphatically, "YES - we will call for a vote - REGARDLESS OF THE WHIP COUNT".

The three leaders Aznar, Blair and Bush met on some small island for a strategy meeting - when it became apparent that they would not even get a majority of votes disregarding the veto threat by Chirac.

NO VOTE WAS CALLED. Bush lied when he stated he would call for a vote - regardless of the whip count.

America invaded shortly after.

[Catfight]

47. That he had political capital...he didn't win, they surpressed the vote.

[johannes1984]

55. the island was the azores

[whosinpower]

59. THAT was it - thanks!

I couldn't remember the name of it.

[johannes1984]

88. is no problem whasoever

i assure you all of us in europe were pretty pissed when they spoiled it by making it the start of a new goddamn dark age .It had such nice beaches

[edbermac]

3. Don't waste your time arguing with an idiot...

[movonne]

43. Ditto, if they can't figure it out yet then never will !!!!

[stepnw1f]

77. wrong

We need them to wake up.

[Richard Steele]

78. Yup! He'll drag you down to his level, then WIN by experience.

Get this through your head:
He does NOT want to "discuss" anything.
He does NOT want to "debate" anything.

He does NOT want to LEARN any facts.

ANY discussion with Freepers is a WASTE of some time you could be putting to good use elsewhere.

[ET Awful]

"They hate us for our freedom" is a good one to start with. n/t

[KarenInMA]

4. "we now know that Saddam Hussien has sought Yellowcake

Uranium from Nigeria".

Which is strange, because Ambassador Wilson came back stating that that DID NOT HAPPEN, and Bush KNEW it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

8. seconded

[VelmaD]

19. Not Nigeria...Niger

Makes a difference.

[KarenInMA]

39. er... yes. That's what I meant.

:blush:

[LSK]

5. look up lie in the dictionary

1. To present false information with the intention of deceiving.
2. To convey a false image or impression: Appearances often lie.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=lie

Now doesnt that describe the whole Iraq episode??? Eminent threat my ass.

[hwmnbn]

6. here's a start........

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm

for documentation

[mistertrickster]

9. I was looking for this Bush Watch page . . . Thanks, Hwmnbn NT

[BelgianMadCow]

76. the page that got me to DU

fond memories, thanks for reminding me :-)

[EVDebs]

7. That his 'carve-out' private accounts for SS won't destroy SS !

The AARP website can help you with this.

[skids]

10. Take your pick... so many to choose from.

http://www.google.com/search?as_q=bush+lies+list&num=20&hl=en&c2coff=1&btnG=Google+Search&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=lang_en&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=all&as_occt=any&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=&safe=off

[lady lib]

11. Website for you

www.bushlies.net

Your one-stop shopping for all your Bush Lies needs.

[hwmnbn]

28. this site has been down at least 3 days.....

I smell something fishy.

[lady lib]

36. No. I think they're really out of bandwidth. It's happened before.

Shoot. Check back at the beginning of the month, it'll probably be up again.

[Orsino]

There's not enough bandwidth in the world...

...to contain all the * lies.

[hwmnbn]

42. thanks lady lib.......

I guess it's a good sign then. They are getting lots of traffic. I feel better now.

[WilliamPitt]

12. *ahem*

26,000 liters of anthrax, 38,000 liters of botulinum toxin, 500 tons (which is 1,000,000 pounds) of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent, 30,000 munitions to deliver the stuff, mobile biological weapons labs, and uranium from Niger for use in their robust nuclear weapons program.

This is verbatim from the Bush 2003 SOTU speech.

Contrast this with SecState Powell's comment from Feb 24 2001 press conference: "He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors."

Multiple CIA analysts and reports cautioned against saying the stuff was definitely there.

The year before, Joe Wilson had personally debunked the uranium claim.

Oh, and PS, none of the stuff was there.

[mistertrickster]

18. Thanks, Will, but he'll probably say Bush truly BELIEVED what

he was saying, so it can't be a lie.

When you've got a President this STUPID, he can legitimately claim to believe anything . . .

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

25. Then that's probably going to be his way out of this argument.

That Bush believes everything he says, so he never "lied".

[edbermac]

27. Tell him Clinton never thought oral was sex, so it wasn't, right?

:silly:

[Hong Kong Cavalier]

32. I was going to post that, actually.

Don't know why I decided against it...

[RaleighNCDUer]

61. In that case, refer to post #41 (reply to #2) above:

That was not something he could have been 'mistaken' or 'mislead' on. It was making a clear statement of his own intentions, which he reneged on when it became inconvenient.

That's on a plane of his daddy's 'No new taxes...period'.

[WilliamPitt]

44. Let him crab around trying to redefine what a lie is

and then say, "Jeez, man, this sounds to me like a debate over the definition of 'is.'"

[BrainRants]

45. I can tell a lie and believe I'm not telling one.

They're not mutually exclusive.

[lady lib]

26. Link to the 2003 SOTU speech.

Everybody should keep a copy of this astounding collection of lies.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/01/20030128-19.html

[nyhuskyfan]

13. When he says...

We had to go to war because Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors in, when in fact, the inspectors were already in and we asked them to leave so we could start bombing.

He also said that he fought for and passed a patients bill of rights as Governor of Texas when he in fact vetoed that bill and the legislature passed it anyway without his signature. That one is a while ago, though.

Mostly what he does is deliberately mislead in everything he says. "Clear Skies Initiative" (pollute away), "Healthy Forests" (chop away), "if anyone committed a crime...".

[Robbien]

14. Jobs, Energy and the environment is in danger right now, today

and he wants to stand around debating THAT?

Tell him to go call his representatives in Congress and tell them to vote no on CAFTA and the Energy Bill.

[Beaver Tail]

15. I will fire Anyone Invloved wiht the leak

Now I will fire Anyone found guilty of a crime

[manic expression]

16. 'Major combat operations have ended'...

(paraphrased) "If anyone in the White House leaked a CIA agent, they'll be dealt with".

Those are just a few out of many.

[babylonsister]

17. He was totally taken by surprise

when 9/11 happened. BS

He had no idea Rove was involved in Traitorgate. BS

[rasputin1952]

20. Just ask him to tell you the one time spoke the truth...he has always

lied. Not one thing comes out of his mouth that has any semblance of truth. Don't play the "prove me a negative" game; it is up to HIM to defend bush! I am willing to bet he can't come up with one positive thing bush has done in his entire privileged life.

On Edit, If you must:

Osama, dead or alive.

Iraqi WMD's.

Hussein being an imminent threat to US security.

No nation building.

No war in Iraq.

Tax cuts benefit every one of the nations citizens.

SS is going to fail, and private accounts will save it.

He won two elections.

Rove was not a leaker.

Anyone who leaked from the WH would be dealt with swiftly.

We be greeted in Iraq w/gratitude.

They hate us fro our freedoms.

He's a uniter, not a divider.

he is more moral than Clinton.

The war in Iraq is in effect, over; mission accomplished.

He met his National Guard obligations.

Money for the NYFD.

The Patriot Act will not affect citizens that are law abiding, and would never be used against citizens or their privacy.

I'm tired of typing, but you can counter w/any of those, or anything else bush has come up with....he is ALL lies...:puke:

[mistertrickster]

46. Yeah, I was thinking of that too. "I will raise Pell Grants."

He did raise Pell Grants, by the princely sum of 100 dollars, but he CUT the NUMBER of Pell grants given.

So even when he tells the truth, he lies.

[mistertrickster]

48. WOW, thanks to all--lots of good stuff here

[KarenInMA]

53. HE DID NOT RAISE PELL GRANTS!!!

Pell Grants are still at $4050.

sorry to yell at you, but this drives me nuts.

[mistertrickster]

65. Ah ha, thanks for that one. He was at least proposing to raise them,

but apparently even that didn't pan out.

[wake.up.america]

21. How about. " not supporting the war means not supporting the troops"

[demgurl]

22. "Mission Accomplished"

Of course, he really did not lie when he said that. We thought he meant the war was over but he really meant that the PNAC had accomplished their mission and now they had control of Iraq.

[Viking12]

37. Somebody has control in Iraq?

[demgurl]

50. The PNAC seems to think they do.

They even had a super secret meeting of all the oil companies to divide up the riches!

[libertypirate]

23. Check out my blog... He doesn't have to lie when so many willing for him

http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/

http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/2001/08/scientist-w-energy-dept-raise-doubts.html

http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/2001/09/do-we-have-any-evidence-linking-iraq.html

http://miawmdwtfw.blogspot.com/2003/05/bbc-reports-iraq-justification-had.html

[flamin lib]

24. Try this.

Early on in the run up to war the Administration claimed that Iraq and Al Qeada were linked and attempted to infer that Saddam was involved in the 9/11 attacks. That link was based on one very tenuous Czech intelligence report about a meeting between Mohammad Atta and Iraqi intelligence officers in the Czech Republic, a report that the Czech intelligence itself called doubtful.

On Meet the Press before the war Cheney says of Atta : "It has been pretty well confirmed that he (Atta) did go to Prague and he did meet with senior officers of Iraqi Intelligence."

The 911 commission, after reviewing all of the intelligence that the Administration used to form that link, reported that the meeting never took place, something that the Czech intelligence sources had reported earlier, and that there was no working relationship between Iraq and Al Qeada.

Later, on CNBC's Capitol Report, a reporter said to Cheney, "You have said in the past that it was, quote, pretty well confirmed . . . "

Cheney interrupted to say, "I never said that, absolutely not. I never said that."

The key to this is that the 911 commission reviewed the same intelligence that the White House had and came to the conclusion that BASED ON THE INTELLIGENCE THAT THE WHITE HOUSE HAD, THERE WAS NO CONNECTION BETWEEN IRAQ AND AL QEADA OR 9/11.

Yet, on May 1, 2003, only two months before the 911 commission publicly released it's report the President said, "The liberation of Iraq is a crucial advance in the campaign against terror. We have removed an ally of Al Qeada and cut off a source of funding."

If the intelligence that the White House had and which it provided to the 911 Commission showed no connection between Iraq and Al Qeada or the 9/11 attack would that not make the President's May first statement a lie?

[Old and In the Way]

29. "I saw the 1st plane hit on TV and I thought "that's one terrible pilot"".

It would be easier to focus on statements of Bush telling the truth, there'd be a hell of a lot fewer.

[MemphisTiger]

30. I'm a uniter not a divider

[lady lib]

66. Yes! Always start with that one

because it's so obviously untrue and easy to comprehend. Once you get him to agree that that was wrong, then move on to some of the other lies.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

31. We all know he's a lair. But best case scenario he's totally incompetent.

If we were to give him the benefit of the doubt. Let's say he did not know all that of what he claimed before the war was bullshit (I'm not that generous). He's incompetent and irresponsible and now blames it on subordinates. BTW none of the people supposedly responsible for this Iraq fuck up have been disciplined in any way. Shit he's actually rewarded them.

Also he's the original flip flopper:

I won't apologize to the Chinese - but I'm sorry.....
No department of Homeland Security - I want a Department of Homeland security.....
Hey Kenny Boy thanks for all of your and Linda's support - Kenny who?....
No Sept 11th investigation - I want a Sept. 11th investigation....
No civil unions for gays - Oh so that's a civil union...I guess they're OK....etc, etc

[Toots]

33. In 2000 he ran on the theme of "I Trust the People"

Before he was even sworn in while he was fighting the 2000 Florida recount issue he said "Only the machines can be trusted because they are objective while people are subjective" In one of those statements he had to be lying. Want to guess at which one it is?

[bunkerbuster1]

34. Just go to the damned Whitehouse.gov website and pick one.

Here's one I just copy/pasted that's clearly a lie:

"The President is committed to keeping the promise of Social Security for today's retirees and those nearing retirement and strengthening Social Security for our children and grandchildren."

NOTHING this ratfucker has proposed will strenghthen SS for our children and grandchildren. He's only interested in carving out benefits, not in improving its capitalization.

furthermore:

"2042, the system will be exhausted and bankrupt."

Horseshit.

[corkhead]

35. how about in the 2nd 2000 debate...

"I'm not so sure the role of the United States is to go around the world and say this is the way it's got to be. We can help. And maybe it's just our difference in government, the way we view government. I want to empower the people. I want to help people help themselves, not have government tell people what to do. I just don't think it's the role of the United States to walk into a country and say, we do it this way, so should you."

[carnie_sf]

38. We have found the WMDs

[mistertrickster]

49. Yeah, that's a good one. I think I'll start with that one. NT

[robertpaulsen]

64. Weather balloons of Mass Destruction? I remember that lie!

:rofl:

[fob]

40. REFRAME! Tell him that if you start with the biggest lie the tendency is

not to believe it anyway so you want to start with everyday lies (especially the ones where there is NO NEED to lie) so that the freep will develop the understanding of that fucker*s true nature.

here are some everyday lies;

bush* says he barely knows ken lay
he* can't think of a mistake he*s made
he*ll take care of anyone INVOLVED in leaking CIA Ops name, then he says only if the leaker COMMITTED a crime
He*ll hunt OBL

edit: "Mission Accomplished" and "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended"
/edit

there are so many instances

Find the 9/13/01 comment from bush* regarding OBL and his* 3/13/02 follow up where he* says he*s not really concerned about OBL anymore

There's the whole 2002 SOTU address (pinning 9/11 on saddam) then the clip that Randi Rhodes plays of bush* saying "We have no evidence that saddam was involved with 9/11"

There's the promise of funds to NY that was reneged.

There was his Jan 2001 proclamation that he* expected his* admin to avoid "even the APPEARANCE of impropriety" versus his* current rally around rove.

You also need to make sure the freep understands the lies of bush* that are spoken through his surrogates, cheney, rice, rummy, fleischer, McClellan, et al. So the freep doesn't apply the "well HE* didn't SAY those words so HE* didn't technically lie".

Once he agrees to the framework then wallp him, otherwise it's an exercise in futility.

I wish you success anyway, that freeper's future depends on you getting through to him whether he knows/likes it or not.

[mistertrickster]

51. Excellent point. RE: Lakoff. Don't fight on their grounds/assumptions.

You can't be for or against "tax relief" because "relief" is already wrong. It's "dues for a civilized society."

[ClassWarrior]

57. That was the Republicon strategy in the attempted coup on Clinton...

They set out to "show a pattern." Only makes sense to do the same with Bush**'s pathalogical tendency to lie, which makes it so easy for him to betray the American people.

NGU.

[LeftNYC]

52. "Sweden doest have an army, their neutral"

Maybe thats not a lie, just proof that he is a twit...

[Stirk]

54. "By far, the majority of my tax cuts go to the middle class."

Flat out lie.

[Zero Division]

56. A suggestion: Start with lies that would offend a right winger's

deepest ideals, such as lies about the budget/deficit, national security, immigration, etc. Show how Bush betrays even the most touted conservative ideals. Don't try challenging his entire ideological identity, at first. Establish whatever common ground you can establish, then challenge his belief system if he appears receptive to such challenges.

The Bush administration's incompetence in national security prior to 9/11 would probably be a good place to start.

[skypilot]

58. Thread's getting kinda long so maybe...

...someone has mentioned this one and I missed it but Bush has said (reportedly TWICE, although I've only heard him say it once) that we went to war in Iraq because Saddam wouldn't let the weapons inspectors in.(?!?!?!) That's a real doozy of an outright lie.

[Initech]

60. What about the fact that a gay male prostitute was working in...

The White House Press Corps? That's still got to be the greatest crack up of all time.

To use my favorite Jon Stewart quote: "At this point, the White House Press Corps has been replaced with actual journalists."

[karlrschneider]

62. Something about "I've been to war"...context was about the twins IIRC

might can google for that one, I gotta run.
:D

[quiet.american]

63. If you must debate the clueless --

My offering:

7/14/03 -- Bush utters:

"The larger point is, and the fundamental question is, did Saddam Hussein have a weapons program? And the answer is, absolutely. 1) And we gave him a chance to allow the inspectors in, and he wouldn't let them in. 2) And, therefore, after a reasonable request, we decided to remove him from power, along with other nations, so as to make sure he was not a threat to the United States and our friends and allies in the region. I firmly believe the decisions we made will make America more secure and the world more peaceful."

1) The actual circumstances were that the UN inspectors were in Iraq and the Iraqi government was providing unfettered access to UN weapons inspectors. UN inspectors were busy dismantling Iraqi missiles when they were instructed to leave Iraq, prior to the US - UK invasion. (And I might add, there was wall-to-wall cable news coverage of the inspectors physically on the ground in Iraq).

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article4110.htm


2) March 2002, Bush utters: "F___ Saddam. we're taking him out." Those were the words of President George W. Bush, who had poked his head into the office of National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice." In July 2003 Bush then claims he gave Hussein a reasonable chance and then had no choice but to go to war, knowing full well, and having declared in front of witnesses in 2002, that "we" were taking Saddam out.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/6/15/0260/28338

[nolabels]

67. The cackles of hens

Them birds often just squawk so they can just hear their own noise. Are you sure this person can read and is not on drugs?

Also do they also have a vested interest, like church membership, business owner etc. When people invest anything of themselves they often try to make it play out even if on principle they know they are wrong

[klyon]

68. not one thing that Bush used in his State of the Union address

as reasons for the Iraq War were correct. I knew when he said most of them that they were not true but did George know, I don't know. But either way if he didn't than he failed in his responsibility to the American people to know what is going on and to speak accurately or if he did know that nothing was true he is guilty of high crimes possibly treason. Ultimately he is responsible for everything that comes out of the White House. For what ever reasons we are sinking in Iraq he is responsible and should step down immediately.

yellow cake
WMDs
drones
mobile chemical factories
aluminum tubes

I assume everything he says is untrue and go from there.

KL

[Debs]

69. I think the most blatant lie, the one with NO wiggle room

Is, on Sept 7th he told a group of reporters in a joint press conference with Tony Blair. I would remind you when the inspectors were in Iraq, when they were finally denied access an IAEA report came out saying they were six months away from a (nuclear) weapon. The IAEA said not only that no such report exists but that their actual position in 98 (when the inspectors were finally denied access) was that they had destroyed Iraq's nuclear capabilities in 91 and they saw no evidence that Iraq had revived their nuclear capacities. See this is blatant, he pulled a non existent report directly out of his ass. This is NOT a mistake of intelligence nor a misinterpretation. THERE WAS NO SUCH REPORT. When called on it he said he meant a 91 report, besides the fact he didn't say 98 which might have been a slip of the tongue but when the inspectors were finally denied access, AND the fact that 91 was totally irrelevant to the issue at hand, the IAEA said they had no such report in 91 either. The next excuse was he meant a series of London times articles. First confusing a newspaper article for a definitive report on the issue THEY are tasked with is like mistaking the info from a bazooka joe bubblegum comic with an encyclopedia reference. Second the LT made no such claim rather said they were six months away from enriching uranium. When called on this what did the administration do? If you guessed another lie you see where this is going. The white house then said he mean an IISS article. First mistaking the IISS with the IAEA is like mistaking your high school drama award with an Oscar, Second that report came out two days AFTER he made his assertion, the one that began "I would remind you" Third, they made no such claim either. They said IF Saddam obtained enriched uranium he could have a nuclear device in six months (the IAEA disputed this) since enriched uranium is the sine qua non of nuclear weapons this is like saying IF you give me the money I could buy a Ferrari. No way out of this one, dead on lie.

[mistertrickster]

70. Heh, I thought about that one too. That's the next one I'm going to

hit him with.

I already stumped him with the "those people who said we haven't found the WMD's are wrong. We found them." He said he'd have to think about it overnight . . . think about it for a month, sucker, you can't square that circle.

[proud2BlibKansan]

71. God told me to run for president

I don't know how you would prove it's a lie, but I find this to be his most outrageous statement/lie.

[mbee]

72. How about linking his lies to the commandments -

Thou shalt not steal (votes)
Thou shalt not lie (WMD)
Thou shalt not kill (for oil)
Let the person decide which of these is the most serious.

[yankeedem]

73. This is irrefutable

because it can't be spun as "he thought it was true".

When Kerry called him out at a debate for saying he doesn't spend much time worrying about OBL and * said "I never said that".

[Baracas]

74. Show him this site

http://www.ThouShaltNotBearFalseWitness.com

:-)

[Coexist]

75. George Bush said:

"Victory means exit strategy, and it's important for the President to explain to us what the exit strategy is." -Governor George W. Bush (R-TX) REGARDING CLINTON AND BOSNIA

Yet he went to war with Iraq with no exit strategy AND declared victory without one.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2989459.stm
<snip>
Bush declares victory in Iraq
Cheers greeted Mr Bush's announcement of victory
US President George W Bush has said the US has prevailed in the Battle of Iraq in a speech on the aircraft carrier USS Abraham Lincoln

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Exit_Strategy_from_Iraq#No_Exit_Strategy_or_Timetable
<snip>
"The U.S. has no exit strategy or timetable for withdrawing its forces from Iraq and a pull-out depends on the readiness of the Iraqi Security Forces, U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld said.

[mistertrickster]

79. Right, he said the same damn thing in the first debate with Al Gore--

New question. How would you go about as president deciding when it was in the national interest to use U.S. force generally?

BUSH:

It's in our vital national interest, and that means whether a territory is threatened or people could be harmed, whether or not the alliances are -- our defense alliances are threatened, whether or not the friends in the Middle East are threatened. That would be a time to seriously consider the use of force. Secondly, whether or not the mission was clear. Whether or not it was clear understanding as to what the mission would be. Thirdly, whether or not we were prepared and trained to win, whether or not our forces were of high morale and high standing and well-equipped. And finally, whether or not there was an exit strategy.
http://www.australianpolitics.com/news/2000/00-10-03.shtml

Whether or not the mission was clear . . . oh, brother. And whether or not there was an exit strategy.

We have an exit strategy in Iraq--lose enough soldiers and money that we finally give up and come home.

Worst. President. Ever.

[alcuno]

80. Don't forget to define "lie."

My favorite....

"Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression."


By repeating the Iraq/9-11 mantra, he knowingly leaves the wrong impression. How does he know? Because as recently as February of this year, a poll showed that 42% of Americans believed that most of the 9-11 hijackers were Iraqis.

My case is closed.

[ChiDem]

81. Try this one, it's pretty solid.

snip

Contrary to Bush's claim, however, the 1998 IAEA report did not say that Iraq was six months away from developing nuclear capability, NBC News' Robert Windrem reported Saturday.

Instead, Windrem reported, the Vienna, Austria-based agency said in 1998 that Iraq had been six to 24 months away from such capability before the 1991 Persian Gulf War and the U.N.-monitored weapons inspections that followed.

snip

http://www.thememoryhole.org/media/msnbc-iaea-report.htm

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-32,GGLD:en&q=iaea+bush+cited+report+nuclear

[SammyWinstonJack]

82. Jesus! If bu$h**'s lips are moving, then he is lying!

Ask him to prove bu$h** isn't a liar, since he wants to know.

[Lannes]

83. Misleader.org

http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/read.html?fn=df11022004.html


"A Daily Chronicle of Bush Administration Distortion"

edit: it seems they stopped their daily record but in the archives they have several hundred lies to choose from.


http://www.misleader.org/daily_mislead/archive.html?more=true

[Dr Fate]

84. "I never said I was not concerned about Bin Laden"

From the 2004 debate- you can find the actual video clip of him saying just that.

[TacticalPeek]

85. First, I would try for agreement on what are the ground rules.

Like mentioned above, get him to agree about what a 'lie' is. I like the one where President AWOL says "I read the report" (EPA), but he did not read the report and he undoubtedly knows he did not read the report.

Also, get him to say clearly that it matters to him if Shrub lies and deceives, or not. If he agrees that you have made your case, but then goes on to "but no big deal, all presidents do that blahblah" or "it was only a little lie, or an old lie blahblah", then why waste the time?


Here's one of my fave clips, from October 2002!


For Bush, Facts Are Malleable
Presidential Tradition Of Embroidering Key Assertions Continues

By Dana Milbank
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, October 22, 2002; Page A01

President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."

Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from developing a weapon." And last week, the president said objections by a labor union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."

All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought. And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States; there was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors was resolved long ago.

...

"Everybody makes mistakes when they open their mouths and we forgive them," Brookings Institution scholar Stephen Hess said. Some of Bush's overstatements appear to be off-the-cuff mistakes. But, Hess said, "what worries me about some of these is they appear to be with foresight. This is about public policy in its grandest sense, about potential wars and who is our enemy, and a president has a special obligation to getting it right."

more
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A61903-2002Oct21¬Found=true

[Dees]

86. AWOL....Monkeybutt said he served in the AL-ANG and

attended meetings. Ask Freeptard to find one credible source that claims they ever saw weaseldick at a meeting. Deserter, traitor, coward, draft dodger, chickenhawk AWOList and liar. Of course he lies...he's a horse shit Republican.

[kiki]

87. "I hereby swear

to uphold the Constitution of the United States of America", said sometime in 2000... and pretty much everything after that.

[proud2BlibKansan]

89. Found these on a blog site:

President Bush in December 2001 explaining publicly how he learned about the terrorist attacks three months before: "I was in Florida. And ... I was sitting outside classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower - the TV was obviously on, and I used to fly myself, and I said, 'There's one terrible pilot.'"

This account is obviously false since network cameras were not trained on the towers at the time the first airliner hit; it was only later that amateur video of this event was broadcast. It has also been repeatedly documented that he was not OUTSIDE the classroom, but INSIDE it, listening to the teacher read 'My Pet Goat'.

Another

The president also said to the father of twins, "I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war." Mr. Bush was a member of the Texas Air National Guard between 1968 and 1973 and never left the country in pursuit of his duties.

Lets not leave out bush's pals

"I don't believe anyone that I know in the administration ever said that Iraq had nuclear weapons."
—Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, at a hearing of the Senate's appropriations subcommittee on defense, May 14, 2003

"We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
—Vice President Dick Cheney on NBC's Meet the Press, March 16, 2003

[PurityOfEssence]

90. "We never had an inkling that there was anything wrong with..."

"...the intelligence." He said this, knowing full well that the CIA had tried to take out references to the nuclear program, and that there were numerous qualifications and disputes about virtually every WMD claim. There were constant and substantitive criticisms of the bogus claims they touted as truth, and even if they were just pathologically hell-bent that they were right despite endless disputes, the disputes were more than just "inklings".

This is a classic "big lie". They had so many disputes coming back from the spooks that they had to create their own unit in the Pentagon to properly skew the information.

[Art_from_Ark]

91. "I will restore honor and integrity to the White House"

:puke:

[wookie294]

92. Here are specific lies

“We found the weapons of mass destruction.”
-GW Bush, May 2003

http://www.whitehouse.gov/g8/interview5.html

In 2001, Dick Cheney said it was “confirmed that (Mohammed Atta) did meet with a senior official of the Iraqi intelligence service in Czechoslovakia last April, several months before the attack."

http://www.whitehouse.gov/vicepresident/news-speeches/speeches/vp20011209.html

Then, in 2004, Cheney was forced to say: "I have not suggested there's a connection between Iraq and 9/11."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,134636,00.html

In justifying the invasion of Iraq, Bush said he was “acting … to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations, or persons who planned, authorized, committed, or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001.” – George Bush

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html

"Now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." Vice President Cheney, 9/14/03

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/140133_bushiraq18.html

[stewarde]

93. why give him a lie?

When you can just give him the March 13, 2002 quote when Bush was asked about the progress on the hunt for Bin Laden...

"I'm really not that concerned about him. I don't think you should be either."

It's no lie. And it's sure as shit true that the chimp said it.