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wndycty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:03 PM
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1st Rush, now Pat Robertson on Morgan Freeman!!!
-snip-
Robertson said Limbaugh should not be criticized for saying that black Philadelphia Eagles quarterback Donovan McNabb benefits from "social concern." Freeman - who is black - also got a slide from the media, Robertson said.

"He started off playing a chauffeur in 'Driving Miss Daisy,' and then they elevated him to head of the CIA and then they elevated him to President and in his last role they made him God," Robertson said on the "700 Club." "I just wonder, isn't Rush Limbaugh right to question the fact, is he that good an actor or not?"
-snip-

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/gossip/story/123487p-110883c.html
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bhunt70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:05 PM
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1. joke right?
hahaha shit that pat robertson cracks me up.
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FullCountNotRecount Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:06 PM
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2. My favorite Actor...White or Black
It's always nice to have something more to not like Rush and Pat about.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:09 PM
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4. Amen
.
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:12 PM
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11. he's definitely one of the best
more proof that Pukes have no class and no taste
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 02:47 PM
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42. My sister named my niece Morgan
she admired Mr. Freeman that much. Cool name for a niece.
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:37 PM
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46. agreed
n/t
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Trajan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:07 PM
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59. My favorite movie since it came out ....
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 05:08 PM by Trajan
The Shawshank Redemption ...

Freeman is amazing, as is Tim Robbins .....

Insults from Robinson, Rush and their ilk should be worn as a badge of honor .....

How DARE these idiots presume to judge this kind of greatness, which they will NEVER understand ......
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Yavin4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 12:33 AM
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73. Freeman in "Shawshank"
His voice overs were almost like he was singing. It was that beautiful. He was brilliant in that role.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:09 PM
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3. I happen to think he's great
I've enjoyed him in everything I've seen him in. Funny, I can't remember enjoying one second of Rush. Ever.

Julie
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:11 PM
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5. fundy fruitloop bastard.....Morgan Freeman started his career....
...doing the Electric Company on PBS....looooong before he did Driving Mrs. Daisy....just because he was portrayed as a BLACK God...is his only beef...which is a more accurate portrail anyway...if MADE IN GOD'S IMAGE...bears ANY truth...but REALLY God would look like a BACTERIA/PROTOZOAN :eyes:
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:12 PM
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10. I LOVED Easy Reader; so cool, so cool!
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watercolors Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:38 PM
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62. Morgan Freeman is great

One of my favorites, hey, who says God 's not black , red or yellow?
Screw Pat Robbinson, he is an AAA= hole!
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playahata1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:47 AM
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84. And, I believe, he was nominated for an Oscar BEFORE "Driving."
Edited on Mon Oct-06-03 10:49 AM by playahata1
He got a nomination for his role in "Street Smarts" (1987).

And he was magnificent as the alcoholic military defense lawyer in "High Crimes," with Ashley Judd.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:11 PM
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6. He made a great God! 'Nuff said.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:21 PM
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22. I'm sure Pat thinks Geroge Burns was a much better portrayl of GOD....
:eyes:
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trogdor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:30 AM
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83. How could any fundy possibly object to Bruce Almighty.
Morgan Freeman dressed in white as God - awesome, but restrained. The kind of cool I always associated with God.

Jim Carrey as the guy God gives his job to for a day, only to muck it up so bad he never blames God for anything ever again.

Lessons conveyed:
1. Man isn't anywhere close to being a god.
2. Even if Man had God's power, he couldn't handle it.
3. People expect too much from God. Sometimes, God denies peoples' prayers for their own good.

Is there anything that's unorthodox about that? I fail to see it, even if that particular movie was mediocre at best.
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Julien Sorel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:11 PM
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7. That's complete bullshit.
Morgan didn't 'start off' in Driving Miss Daisy; he'd already had a long list of achievements by the time he made that film, including an Oscar nomination. Freeman is one of the legitimately great actors of this age -- he can play and has played diverse roles from a slave, to a pimp, to the president and played them outstandingly well.

Freeman filmography


The ignorance and bigotry of some of these clowns is astonishing.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:12 PM
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8. umm, rush didn't criticize freeman
as far as i know, he only criticized mcnabb.

so robertson's saying that rush was right to question is freeman a good actor admits that what rush was really saying was that ALL blacks who ever get credit for being good or talented are actually phonies being praised simply because they're black.

in otherwords, robertson knows that rush is even more of a bigot than even we could imagine, and pat's right there with him.

the slide toward krystalnacht continues unabated....
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truthseeker1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:29 PM
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29. Rush is a bigot, through and through
rush quotes: (this is just incredible especially the braun thing):

As a radio talk show host, Limbaugh once said he felt guilty about telling an African American caller to “take that bone out of your nose and call me back.” He still uses the mock dialect “ax” instead of “ask” when discussing black leaders on his syndicated radio show and often plays the theme song “Movin’ On Up” from “The Jeffersons” when referring to Carol Moseley Braun, the African American former senator from Illinois who is running for the Democratic presidential nomination.

Rush is just a pig!
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:12 PM
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9. So then, is he as good as Keanu Reeves
Who as far as I can tell must have something bad on half of the Hollywood studio heads.

Talk about a white guy whose acting sucks being successful....
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northernsoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:14 PM
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13. bwaahhaha!
So true!
I've always wondered what blackmail pics he's got and where he found them - doesn't quite seem bright enough to have organized a blackmail scam on his lonesome.

:evilgrin:
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MegaDeuse3080 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:13 PM
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12. Freeman
So Robertson is criticizing him for being able to improve his acting career and make a better life for himself. go figure. Freeman started off at the bottom and has earned all the respect he gets. Unlike some people......... *
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MidwestTransplant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:15 PM
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14. FREE MR. CLARK!
nt
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blkgrl Donating Member (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:15 PM
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15. A "man of God" said this?
What is this world coming to?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:27 PM
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27. Since when has Robertson
been a "man of God"?

Let us look at Matthew 7. Jesus is talking about this very same subject in the Sermon on the Mount.  This text explains what it is that is going to be so bitter.  He says, “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.  Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’  And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”  Matthew 7:21–23.

This text tells us what it is that is so bitter about the surprise. It is simply this: There are going to be many people who have been thinking, for their whole lives, that they are saved. But when Jesus actually comes, people who have thought all the time that they were saved, confident that they would be saved when Jesus comes, find out that they are not saved. 

http://www.steps2life.org/library/sermon_notes/bitter.html
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moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:16 PM
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16. Morgan Freeman isn't a deity !!!???
Oh, right, otherwise he would have an Oscar by now.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:30 PM
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30. .....and James Earl Jones REALLY is Darth Vadar.....yuk yuk....
.....idiot can't distinguish between his fantasy and reality anymore...like he ever could...:puke:
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liberalmuse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:16 PM
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17. I remember Morgan Freeman...
on The Electric Company when I was a kid. I've always been interested in what this man is up to, since he made an impression on me at a young age. I can't believe Pat Robertson made such ignoramus remarks in order to justify Rush's racism. Freeman is an excellent actor, and his ability to continually find work probably has more to do with the depth he brings to his characters than his skin color. Ef you, Robertson, you evil, ugly, blasphemous, grinning elf.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:18 PM
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18. so not thinly-veiled (and racist) projection
aimed at affirmative action, just like rush's comments. oh gringo...is this sufficient "evidence" for you?
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:18 PM
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19. Robertson's probably been shitting his britches
for years because he saw a movie that cast a black man as God. Limbloat just gave him the safe opening he's been aching for to bring it up.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:20 PM
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20. So Instead of Moralizing on LIMBO's Lying Life, He's a Critic of Acting?
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 01:21 PM by UTUSN
How conveeenient that hypocritical wingnut (oxymoron) ROBERTSON takes a pass on making a morality lesson on LIMBOsevic's LYING LIFE and focuses instead on the ESPN thing, while committing his own bigotry. The scoundrels just dig themselves deeper and deeper.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:33 PM
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31. No, shit. Rush is addicted to "redneck heroin" and all
Robertson can do is drag in another black man to beat?
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:21 PM
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21. What a profoundly ignorant statement
in every regard.

Not surprising, probably, but appalling nonetheless.

Eloriel
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Toby109 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:24 PM
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23. Read between the lines
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 01:30 PM by Toby109
Pat Robertson does not like to see black actors portray characters in a position of power. Now chauffeur is one thing, but PRESIDENT or GOD! And you can toss in quarterback, too.

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Former Republican Donating Member (99 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:26 PM
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24. Freeman is a good actor...BUT...
but he keeps playing the same role: the wise old black man. It gets sort of tiresome after a while.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:37 PM
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33. Well, that's Hollywood for you
I'd like to see Al Pacino get to use his prodigious chops for something other than chewing the scenery once in a while.

Freeman has a voice like a soothing warm blanket. It's no wonder he's usually cast in the role of sage or comforter.
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:38 PM
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34. well, he does keep playing one character over and over
but it's really the same character.

I don't care what role he plays. I think he has great presence and a lot of character (refuses to have an extremely young actress as his romantic interest in any of the movies involving the same character I mentioned above. Wish I could remember that character's name, but he's the detective in "Kiss the Girls" and 1 or 2 other movies about that detective. But Freeman says this character is not the sort of guy to get involved with someone significantly younger than he. Of course, he is being called a racist for this because the female roles in the movies I'm talking about are generally played by actresses like Ashley Judd.)


He played a flawed priest in a movie I can't remember the name of right now.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:38 PM
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35. It's the only role written for his age/sex/race
Have you ever thought of that?

If you want to see him really blow you away, rent "Street Smart" sometime; he plays a terrifying and mesmerising pimp.
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Brian Sweat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 01:16 AM
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74. I don't think it is the role. It is who Morgan Freeman is and it just come
out in most of the roles he plays. Here are some recent movies that he has made in which I don't think he has played the "wise old black man."

The Sum of All Fears
High Crimes
Along Came a Spyder
Nurse Betty
Deep Impact
Hard Rain
Amistad
Kiss the Girls
Seven
Outbreak

Frankly, I think the idea that he always plays a "wise old black man" is a little biggoted.

Do Gene Hackman and James Garner play "wise old white men?" How about Jimmy Stewart toward the end of his carreer.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:54 PM
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57. Huh?
Here's his IMDB credits:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000151

Seems to me that his more recent roles have been age appropriate black men of power. He is, after all, 66 years old. If you want stereotype his performances as police officers, private detectives, presidents, god and Nelson Mandela as "wise old black men", then you might want to consider why you don't categorize Harrison Ford as playing "wise old white men" since he plays the same basic roles as Freeman.

I'm hoping that your statement comes from not being familiar with Freeman's work. Otherwise, to me, it smacks of racism.
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Spider Jerusalem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:32 AM
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79. Sixty-six, eh?
He doesn't MOVE like he's 66. Met him at his blues club in Clarksdale, MS back in August. He was out on the floor dancing like a man at least 20 years younger.
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FireHeart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:04 PM
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58. Well, he did an about face...
When he played that nutcase general in "Dreamcatcher". But hey...we can't win 'em all :)

Lousy movie--but Freeman wasn't given enough time to explain his role fully, so I guess that didn't help.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:28 PM
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61. You missed him as Azim the Moor in 'Robin Hood', then?
He played a warrior and scholar in the prime of life, a co-star role that he (imo) absolutely lit up with his presence.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:18 AM
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82. Didn't just light-up the screen...
he carried the whole damn pictures on his shoulders! Take Morgan out of that movie and it would have collapsed like a souffle out of the the oven.

To me, Morgan IS god -- one of my acting gods. He is simply one of the finest talents we have out there today. He is impeccable.
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Mairead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 05:14 PM
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86. I have to agree
Every time I watch that film (I bought the DVD because of his performance) I fervently wish that he had been given more scenes. 'Impeccable' is exactly the right word.

(It's rather funny...he was interviewed a year or two ago, and the interviewer remarked that a lot of women consider him not only a fine actor but very sexy, and wish he got more lead roles. He snorted in disbelief and made some remark about being in his 60s; I could only shake my head in amazement--how can someone that talented not get it?)
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:26 PM
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25. Pat Robertson is no Morgan Freeman
If he really said that then I just have 3 words for him:

Unforgiven
Shawshank Redemption

Oh, and he was aso the only good thing about "Bonfire of the Vanities" - even Tom Hanks was uncharacteristically bad in that one.

Morgan Freeman is one of the most intelligent actors working today, more than qualified to pretend to be the head of the CIA or a silly version of god in a lighter than air comedy.
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:27 PM
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26. Unfuckingbelievable!
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 01:28 PM by juajen
He'd better leave Morgan Freeman alone. Actually, we should probably beg that man (Freeman) to take an office, anywhere, from a governorship to a presidency. He's great. So much progress has been made in recognizing excellence, but, so far to go. It's idiots like Robertson and Limpballs who impede progress.

Edited: for spelling
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:28 PM
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28. HUH?
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 01:38 PM by rocknation
Who does he mean by "they"--the critics, or the movie studios who gave him the roles? Is he saying that the critics overpraise him just because he's black, which results in him getting additional roles that should have gone to "better qualified" actors? Or is he saying that even in getting movie roles, blacks should "know their place?" Does Pat that mean while it was okay for him to play a prisoner in the Shawshank Redemption, he shouldn't have gotten to play a detective in Seven? Unless I'm mistaken, he has also played a pimp and the President of the United States. I think Pat is just jealous that Freeman got to play God.


rocknation


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truthseeker1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:37 PM
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32. And yet he's fine with the Shrub "playing" POTUS!!
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:42 PM
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36. Robertson is insane
And I don't mean that lightly or to be funny. He is insane. He is senile.

Have you ever seen him on the 700 Club, sitting there and spouting out insane lie after insane lie? It would be funny if it weren't so disturbing.
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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:51 PM
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37. Oh my god!
.
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polmaven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:50 PM
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63. Or maybe "Oh my Morgan"?
O8)
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 01:54 PM
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38. Hey, Robertson made a funny that was actually
kinda funny.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 02:05 PM
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39. Typical narcissists. Their subjective opinions on someone's ability
is something they think they can state as a FACT and people are supposed to take them seriously.

If Pat knew anything about acting, he would do a better job of pretending to be a preacher.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 02:18 PM
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40. I'm an agnostic
but I do root for there actually being a Hell...just so Pat has someplace to go and be with likeminded people, after he croaks.
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Snellius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 02:32 PM
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41. Is it time for another Civil War?
There are people in this country living on completely different planets and one doubts how much longer they can peacefully coexist?
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leesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:03 PM
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43. As usual, it doesn't make a lick of sense. They are acting roles you
raving idiot! I simply cannot understand how these people, and I use the word loosely, get to be so stupid!
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:36 PM
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44. Remember Robertson discriminated against his black
maids, I think is was his maids. So I wouldn't put to much store in his opinion on this issue.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:37 PM
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45. Pat....how are those diamond mines doing?
If the anti-Christ lives, he's on a first name basis with Pat.
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SubliminAL MessaGOREs Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:01 PM
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70. Who's to say he isn't Pat? n/t
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Loyal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 03:38 PM
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47. This is just sick
How can someone say something like this? :shrug:
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Barad Simith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:08 PM
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48. Amenlover will love this
Oh my God. I author an anti-fundie parody hoax called Amenlover, and I'm going to let the fat bastard use this. It's too good to pass up.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:09 PM
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49. Hes an actor Pat, christ
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Cocoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:17 PM
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50. this is why you don't want Robertson reviewing movies
If Roger Ebert had chosen Robertson to replace Siskel, it would have been the equivalent of Rush talking about sports.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:20 PM
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51. So what? He played Spidey on Electric Company!
And that was many years before Driving Miss Daisy. Robertson's just pissed that anyone would think of casting a black man as president, no matter how great the actor. And be assured, I do think Morgan Freeman is a great actor. I've been in love with him since Electric Company and have seen most of his films since then. I'm rarely disappointed in his performances.

BTW, why doesn't Robertson mention that a WHITE actor with Morgan Freeman's good looks and talent would have been cast in whatever role he damn well wanted to? Christ, look at Arnold! Look at all the other mediocre middle aged white male actors who continue to get choice roles that they are not appropriate for. What a fucking racist Robertson is! :mad:
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 08:56 AM
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76. Did he play Spidey?
I know he was Easy Reader.
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:39 PM
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52. The funniest part of this
is that Robertson is talking as if Morgan Freeman really WAS a chauffeur who went directly to being head of the CIA.

:crazy:

But then old Pat has been a few chapters short of a Bible for many years.
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LalahLand Donating Member (131 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:46 PM
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54. Exactly!
Someone needs to tell this nut that the entire essence of being an actor is the ability to play any type of role. Its almost as if he's implying that affirmative action propelled Freeman forward from a chaffeur to the President. What a jackass! I wonder if his viewers caught on.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:53 PM
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69. a twisted and ridiculous swipe at affirmative action
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 10:54 PM by noiretblu
in racist code language :puke: clearly freeman is "not qualified" to rise from chauffuer to the nead of the CIA :shrug: robinson thinks freeman should ALWAYS play a chauffeur...that's a more "realistic" role :puke:
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:42 PM
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53. Who are "they" that "elevate" Freeman?
Edited on Sat Oct-04-03 04:42 PM by Democat
The white slave owners in Robertson's fantasy world?

Isn't Freeman his own man?
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GoldenOldie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:51 PM
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55. Movie Crtic - Robertson????
Robertson can't even give an honest critique of the Bible never mind an actor or movie.

Poor lost soul is unable to defend Georgie, or Rush so he goes on the attack against Morgan. He is really getting desperate.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 04:52 PM
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56. The question is, why does Rush like to target blacks?
Morgan Freeman is a decent actor, loads better than a bunch of the whitey crop. Why isn't Rush et al going after the whiteys also?

Damn straight, they're racist.
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eek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:19 PM
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60. "they "= code for "Jews"
because *everyone* knows who's in charge of the film industry.

:eyes:
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IggleDoer Donating Member (601 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 05:56 PM
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64. Morgan Freeman is a better actor than Pat Robertson...
... and by far a more decent human being.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 06:35 PM
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65. The way Reich wing minds work is frightening. And disgusting.
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lancemurdoch Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 09:54 PM
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66. Don't dis Easy Reader
Pat Robertson is making a mistake going after Easy Reader...

I thought Freeman was good in the Shawshank Redemption...I can't imagine who Pat Robertson would think a good actor is.
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Booberdawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:08 PM
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67. OH. MY. GOD.
Staggering.

Morgan Freeman is one of my favorite actors ever. A couple movies I haven't seen mentioned here are Seven, and there's another one recently that I can't place right now - the word Spider in it somewhere?

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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 10:13 PM
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68. Racism is Raising It's Ugly Head, Folks.
This is not all accidental.
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-04-03 11:45 PM
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71. The peckerwoods are coming out of the woodworks
back bobo! back!
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okieinpain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 12:17 AM
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72. huh, does this mean that he would not accept jesus if
he appeared as a black man. isn't that a lack of faith.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-05-03 01:38 AM
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75. Pat DESERTED his Platoon during Korean War
The witness is Pete McCloskey, a California Republican known for telling the truth and being an honest fellow. He RAN against a sitting-president Nixon for the GOP nomination in 1972.

The Liquor Officer,
or,
Pat Robertson
Goes to War



Summary.  Televangelist Pat Robertson, founder of the "Christian Coalition" and host of the daily "700 Club" television program, is a fraud and a liar.  And don't bother to tell me that he is forgiven and that makes it right.  Pat continues to defraud people and lie, even on his "Christian" broadcasting network.

I am a retired Army colonel.  I served 28 years in uniform, including service in Vietnam.  Many of my friends were killed or wounded in Vietnam.  There is a special bond between men who have served in combat and God save the fool who tries to pass himself off as a combat soldier when he is not.  That's exactly what Pat Robertson tried to do when he ran for President in 1986.

Quoted below is an excerpt from the book The Most Dangerous Man in America:   Pat Robertson and the Rise of the Christian Coalition, by Robert Boston (Prometheus Books, published in 1996).  In this excerpt, we learn that Robertson's claims to have served in combat in Korea are a lie -- his father, a US senator, intervened to keep him out of combat.  In fact, Pat served in the rear where he consorted with whores and made regular trips to Japan to purchase liquor for the rest of the officers in the rear, hence his title "Liquor Officer."

SNIP...

Former GOP congressman Pete McCloskey of California, who served in the same unit as Robertson, claimed that Robertson had relied on his father's influence to get him out of combat duty. Robertson was so rankled by the charge that he sued McCloskey and Representative Andy Jacobs, an Indiana Democrat who also circulated the charges, for $35 million.

McCloskey insisted that Robertson was on a ship headed for combat until his father used his influence to have him removed. According to McCloskey, Robertson later boasted that he had used his father to "get him out of combat duty."

CONTINUED...

http://www.schlatter.org/liquor.htm
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:27 AM
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77. What a Christian thing for hin to say, eh?
NOT!!
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:31 AM
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78. Morgan Freeman not a good actor?
I'd pay good money to watch that man floss. Morgan Freeman is one of those "the movie can't be all that bad because he's in it" actors. Everything else about the movie may suck, but you know he's going to be good.
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Plaid Adder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:33 AM
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80. What a load of CRAP!
Wow, where to start?

Personally, I think the most telling thing about this is Robertson's inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality. I always kind of suspected most fundamentalists had a problem with this, but this is a beautiful supporting example. For whatever reason, Robertson is treating Freeman's movie roles as if they were real jobs, and that somehow the trajectory he outlines is synchronized with success as an actor: only highly successful actors get to play powerful roles like God or President of the US, whereas mediocre or poor actors are relegated to lower-paying 'jobs' like chauffeur.

This, of course, is in itself a serious misunderstanding of how movies work: he's assuming that a chauffeur could never be the real star of a movie, and that God could never be a walk-on. In fact, Freeman's role in *Driving Miss Daisy* was absolutely central to the film, whereas the part of God is almost always a cameo. Maybe that's what's really up Robertson's butt--the fact that most films are way more interested in lowly mortals (chauffeurs, even) than they are in God.

But then of course this really has nothing to do with acting talent (anyone can play God--Alannis Morisette has done it, for God's sake--) and everything to do with the fact that the days when black men could do nothing but drive white women around are over. In one sense only, Robertson is right that Freeman's casting in these roles is not related to talent; it's a function of social change. There have always been talented African-American actors in Hollywood; and until very recently they were simply never cast in certain roles, no matter how talented they were, because the industry assumed that audiences wouldn't accept that. Now, even though nobody will take an *actual* African-American presidential candidate seriously, we are at least open enough to the idea that we won't reject a *fictional* African-American president as a gross violation of realism. In fact, casting an African-American actor in a position like president or CIA director becomes the sign of an optimism about the future; it reassures us that racism is getting weaker instead of stronger, and that someday, maybe, we'll get to the point where we can actually *elect* someone without worrying about his ethnic identity, instead of merely *casting* him.

So, yes, the fact that Freeman has played a president and a CIA head is a sign of social change--one that Robertson is clearly uncomfortable with. But that has nothing to do with whether Freeman is a good actor or not. It simply indicates that it is now possible for an African-American actor to play as wide a variety of roles as a white actor. Certainly he's got to be at least as good as a slew of white actors who have also played presidents, CIA heads, and even God. I would pick Freeman over Charlton Heston, for instance, any day; ditto Tom "Makes My Skin Crawl" Hanks, Michael "Never Too Old To Be In Total Denial" Douglas, or Keanu "We Give Him Shades Because It Makes His Wooden Inexpressiveness Seem Mysterious Instead Of Vacuous" Reeves.

Finally, the "is he really that good an actor" argument underscores the ridiculousness of the "meritocracy" claim that underlies most anti-affirmative-action rhetoric. The argument against AA is that somehow, if we didn't have affirmative action, only the truly deserving would ever get into good colleges, get good jobs, become quarterbacks and movie stars and whatnot. Whereas, in fact, most people who are not mired in intellectual dishonesty know that there is no such thing as a meritocracy, and that power will always promote its own at the expense of everything else. I mean, George W. Bush is president of the United States. What more proof do you need that affirmative action for stupid rich white men is alive, well, and doing FAR more damage than affirmative action for African-Americans ever will?

Similarly, anyone who believes that Hollywood casting, in the absence of all this PC concern for racial equality, would be a pure and unsullied process whereby the best roles always went to those who were most talented is living in a bizarro dreamworld. In Hollywood as in the rest of this country's professions it is all about networking; it's who you know, how you play the game, and whether you can pull off the style that will mask your lack of substance.

Anyway. That's already way more of a rebuttal than that @#$! deserves; but sometimes, you know, you just get mad.

:grr:

The Plaid Adder
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Terwilliger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 09:45 AM
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81. This is why I said Rush was not racist
ALL OF THESE ASSHOLES ARE RACIST...ITS A GROUP DELUSION, MUCH AKIN TO THEIR BELIEF STRUCTURE
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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:59 AM
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85. These bigots are unbelievable!!!!
Just when I think it can't get ANY worse, good ol' Pat comes and sets the bar higher (lower?) for Right Wing trash thinking :eyes:
Robertson should be ashamed. I hope Freeman drops kick Pat to the curb for questioning his acting roles being based on him being black.
Good god, good god...
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jonoboy Donating Member (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:28 PM
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87. how sad
can't they even let a man have talent..Freeman's such a great watchable actor.

maybe it's time they look into R.Reagan's acting career
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:44 PM
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88. unbeilevable
I actually had to look at the link as I thought it was the onion or something like that. If you want to see some great Morgan Freeman roles see Lean on Me (he plays Joe Clark) and Clean and Sober. Both great films.
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hexola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:47 PM
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89. I always thought of Morgan as...
...the black "Gene Hackman"

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RobertFrancisK Donating Member (617 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-03 10:51 PM
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90. I don't even get that one
Is it a joke? What's the relivance.
In any case, no one in their right mind can dispute that Freeman is one of the best actors alive. Sorry repubs, but Shawshank Redemption is a heck of a lot better than Jingle All the Way.
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