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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:54 PM
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Why on earth would Clinton ever appoint a turn-coat like Louis Freeh?
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 12:03 AM by Blue_Roses
The man is a republican--devout at that--and makes no bones about who he supports. Is there any doubt Clinton walked right into the trap with Monica:eyes: I always suspected it was, but to walk right into it:shrug:

Clinton is too damn trusting...

http://www.newsmeat.com/washington_political_donations/Louis_Freeh.php
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-09-05 11:58 PM
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1. it was a compromise
the Republicans wanted him and that was one of the things Clinton did in order for them to support his other appointees.

Clinton has said that appointing Freeh was one of his biggest mistakes. andi think he believed this while he was still in office.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:04 AM
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2. now we know why they wanted him in office
the plan was clear to them. Clinton never saw it coming...
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:04 AM
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4. OK, so why didn't he fire him? These people all serve at the pleasure
of the President. If that would have been anything but the Gov't, Freeh would have been GONE!

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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:06 AM
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15. because it would have looked political
like Clinton was only firing Freeh to save him own ass rather than incompetence or anything.

it's too bad John O'Neill is not alive to help tell the truth .
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:25 AM
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9. I never thought the Republicans liked him much, either.
Wasn't Freeh blamed for Ruby Ridge and Waco by a lot of conservatives? Or am I confusing him with someone else?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:28 AM
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11. Freeh wasn't around then....
I think you're confusing him with Sessions.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:37 AM
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13. Larry Potts. Freeh was criticized for "covering up" for Potts.
http://www.waco93.com/latimes7_15_95.htm

Ruby Ridge happened BEFORE Reno and Freeh took office.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:30 AM
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18. I was thinking of Potts. I thought Freeh was a deputy director before
taking over in 1993, but I was wrong. I was conflating him and Potts.
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sasquatch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:04 AM
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3. Clinton was always trying to work with the other side
They were always trying to throw him in front of a train though.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:06 AM
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5. yes, he was and still does
as evident with working with poppy now.

Once again, too damn trusting:eyes:
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:06 AM
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6. Well, Cohen still seems to be one of the good guys, even though
he was one of the first "Pub" pick Clinton made to form a mutual Party aliance.

I hear Cohen even now at least sounding like a reasonably honest guy.
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Blue_Roses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:08 AM
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7. you're right about that
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 12:08 AM by Blue_Roses
Cohen seems like a decent enough guy, but Clinton is still too damn trusting
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:18 AM
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8. I don't think he is anymore! He was back in 92 though.
I think he really believed that there could be a workable 2 party system. We hear a lot about that from the old guys in the Senate. They always refer back to the days when almost all the Senators were friends. They could be arguing all day long, in very heated arguments on the Senate floor, but would go have a boor (or Martini) that same night. They actually respected each other.

I think that's what Bill was trying to do. Bring that atmosphere back to DC.

I think he's learned a lot since then, through a lot of pain and badgering. I think what you see now is a BC who has learned to play their game!
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Lexingtonian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:25 AM
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10. probably because it didn't make that much difference

Nixon and the Reagan people filled the middle and upper ranks of the CIA and the FBI with true believer Republicans. Bush Sr. was a CIA director under Ford, iirc.

There were too many people of the kind still in the ranks for a decent Democrat to run them. And probably still are. And they account for why both agencies worked against Democrats, e.g. failed Carter consistently, and were the reason the KGB was largely superior to them throughout.

Clinton was looking at poisoned agencies without the power, or in some quarters of Congress desire, to do the purges of the upper ranks. Putting in a decently connected Republican in each job was a capitulation to political necessity; if he'd done otherwise the agencies would have failed him and these people worked against their directors. This way he had a recreation of the Hoover problem, but the advantage was that he only needed to deal with one or two people who couldn't beat him on political ability.
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democracyindanger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 12:36 AM
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12. Opus Dei
Just like Scalia.

Not saying that's why Clinton appointed him, just saying...Opus Dei.
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glarius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:04 AM
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14. All I know is, looking at Freeh's face,especially his eyes...I would NEVER
trust this man...He has the look of so many of the duplicitous, self-serving phonies who are a part of the right wing....Uuuuuugghhh!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 01:57 AM
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16. I don;t think Clinton has ever understood what he and we were/are facing
Politics makes a person cautious, and far more unwilling to open eyes to a monstrous truth.

I believe that he and the Dems continue to think they are simply dealig with another political party, when they are actually dealing with a revolutionary cabal with as much respect for democracy as the Nazis or the Tonton macoute or Pinochet or Marcos or any number of Bushfriends throughout the ages.

Maybe he does know, but is ignoring it becaiuse he might get an envelope of anthrax. Who the hell knows?

But my take on it, is the truth is so monstrous that denying it is preferrable to most.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:04 AM
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17. In this regard Clinton is a brainless wonder
Don't worry, soon Freeh will join Bill and Hillary for dinner.

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