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booley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:23 PM
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A challenge froma FREEPER
I saw this and thought," he can't be making this sooo easy, can he?"

So I decided to share it with you guys. Feel free to respond to the challenge...." Here's a test for you liberals: name ANY specific news story on Fox News that was as demonstrably wrong as the CBS Rathergate story. Specifically, the story must be based primarily on forged evidence sourced by a nutcase meant to incriminate a major liberal politician just weeks before an election. There should be expects who were hired by Fox to authenticate the evidence, who warned Fox that the evidence did not seem valid, yet Fox was the only major news network to carry the story anyway. The Fox network news anchor must have gone on national TV and condemned those who were questioning the obviously forged evidence just days after the story aired. Then the Fox News anchor should go on with a person who admits that the evidence is in fact fake, but the information contained in the fake evidence is somehow "real". Only after weeks of pressure and back peddling does the Fox news anchor admit that the evidence cannot be verified, and then quickly step down from his position."

and here's the source for accuracy and if you want to respond directly....

http://groups.msn.com/eXtremelyPolitics/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=237033&all_topics=0
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:25 PM
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1. It's not possible, but not because Faux doesn't lie like rugs.
They would NEVER admit that they were wrong--what about the WMD story that was forced down our throats for a year? Every day, it was "SADDAM HAS WMDS! TERRORISTS R GUNNA UZE PEN GUNS TO KILL PEEPLE WITH! BE AFRAID! BE VERY, VERY AFRAID!"
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insane_cratic_gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:29 PM
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2. WMD's
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 05:31 PM by insane_cratic_gal
People who watch fox are convinced they found WMD's in Iraq.

Of course we know this to be untrue.

Researchers found that the public's mistaken impressions of three facets of U.S. foreign policy — discovery of alleged WMD in Iraq, alleged Iraqi involvement in 9/11, and international support for a U.S. invasion of Iraq — helped fuel support for the war.

<snip>

Looking at the misperceptions one at a time, people were asked, for example, if the U.S. had discovered the alleged stockpiles of WMD in Iraq since the war began. Just 11% of those who relied on newspapers as their "primary news source" incorrectly believed that U.S. forces had made such a discovery. Only slightly more — 17% — of those who relied on NPR and PBS were wrong. Yet 33% of Fox News viewers were wrong, far ahead of those who relied on any other outlet.

Likewise, when people were asked if the U.S. had "clear evidence" that Saddam Hussein was "working closely with al Queda," similar results were found. Only 16% of NPR and PBS listeners/viewers believed that the U.S. has such evidence, while 67% of Fox News viewers were under that mistaken impression.

Overall, 80 percent of those who relied on Fox News as their primary news source believed at least one of the three misperceptions. Viewers/listeners/readers of other news outlets didn't even come close to this total.
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Hong Kong Cavalier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:30 PM
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3. Translation: give me a story that's EXACTLY like "Memogate"...
Edited on Mon Oct-10-05 05:31 PM by Hong Kong Cavalier
...but targeting a Republican. An impossible condition of victory, to say the least.

This freeper piece of shit doesn't want to debate. And Fox is wrong all the time. Just ask Media Matters.

In fact, here's a link: http://mediamatters.org/archives/search.html?topic=FOX%20News%20Channel">Media Matters Fox News Coverage
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Neil Lisst Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:32 PM
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4. wouldn't it be easier to get the true stories Fox News runs?
Fox News should be forced to change its name to something that doesn't include the word NEWS. News Hounds do a nice job of reporting on them, they of Outfoxed fame.

I take a shot at Fox News about once a week in my online political comic. This week I have them once, and it's today, and it's here
http://www.webcomicsnation.com/neillisst/
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yankeedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:34 PM
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5. I love how they specify about 20 conditions
http://mediamatters.org/items/200509220002?is_gsa=1&final=1

Here's one to start with.

I found an interesting article about the Rather controversy.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04262/381287.stm


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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:35 PM
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6. That's what MMFA is for
Thank God for David Brock and Media Matters for America.

Take your pick.

http://mediamatters.org/archives/search.html?string=Kerry+Fox+news
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:36 PM
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7. but Rather wasn't wrong...
The only part of the story that was skewed was the authenticity of a memo. Everything else checks out.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:12 PM
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13. The memo wasn't absolute either
Divided opinion even on the authenticity of the memo. The memo is actually proof of the way they distort and deny facts, it's the answer the guy is looking for.
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snippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:37 PM
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8. Fox News is not a news organization. CBS News is. No comparison. n/t
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 05:38 PM
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9. The Rathergate documents were never proven to be forgeries.
What CBS did "wrong" was not authenthicate them properly. And what Fox does "wrong" is believe every single thing Bush tells them!

:headbang:
rocknation
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Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:05 PM
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10. First off, name one Fox reporter who has stepped down b/c he/she was wrong
They usually get hired by Fox when they get disgraced elsewhere.

Back to your freeper challenge, the closest example I can think of is the Geraldo Rivera Afghanistan story.

Here's a good summary:

So it shouldn't have surprised anyone when Rivera's reports from Afghanistan were as much about him as the war. There he was, packing a gun and threatening the bad guys: "If they're going to get us, it's going to be in a gunfight." There he was again, ducking sniper fire. "You hear that unmistakable zing as the bullet breaks the sound barrier," he reported. "Didn't quite part my hair, but it was close enough." And there he was, describing a visit to what he called "hallowed ground…that area where the friendly fire hit," on December 5, the day three American soldiers were killed. "I said The Lord's Prayer and really choked up," he told a Fox anchor in a live report. "I could almost choke up relating the story to you right now."

The trouble with that report, as everyone now knows, is not just the over-the-top showboating by FNC's highly paid "war correspondent." The trouble is that Rivera was near Tora Bora at the time, hundreds of miles from the incident near Kandahar that everyone was talking about that day.

When David Folkenflik of the Baltimore Sun pointed out the discrepancy, Rivera said he was confused in "the fog of war," and was referring to a separate bombing run that same day that took the lives of some Afghan fighters. But Pentagon officials told Folkenflik the only friendly fire incident they know about near Tora Bora took place three days after Rivera's choked up report.

At most news organizations, questionable reporting has consequences, and it should. After all, it raises doubts about the credibility of the individual and the news organization. The Boston Globe fired Mike Barnicle and Patricia Smith for fabricating details and quotes. ABC News apologized on the air and reprimanded Cokie Robert for appearing to present a live report from Capitol Hill when she was actually in the studio, wearing a coat, in front of a projected picture of the Capitol dome. But Fox hasn't even done that much. It was an "honest mistake," the network says, vouchsafing its "full confidence in explanation and journalistic integrity."

And that's not all. After bringing Rivera back from the battlefield, Fox saw fit to put him on the air as a guest, where instead of being held to account he was given a platform to launch a personal attack on his critics. He slammed CNN's Aaron Brown for questioning his truthfulness, saying Brown would "poop in his pants if he was anywhere near what I was near in Afghanistan." And he took direct aim at Folkenflik, whom he called "a really weak kneed, back stabbing, sweaty palmed reporter from a minor newspaper." For a man who titled his autobiography "Exposing Myself," Rivera has a mighty thin skin.
source: AT WHAT PRICE PUBLICITY? Gun-toting, self-important Geraldo is no asset to Fox News


What happened to Geraldo? Well, here's what I found on Foxnews.com

October 9

Tonight, the lights go out in Studio B. Don't miss a special "At Large" tribute as Geraldo bids farewell to his primetime show.

Hold tight! We're taking you around the world with Geraldo and his team to all the War on Terror hot spots as we bring you the best of the best in "At Large" war coverage.

Then, rewind with us as we take you back to some of the worst hurricanes, natural disasters and wildfires since "At Large" made it's FOX News Channel debut in 2001. If there was a story to be told – Geraldo was there to tell it!

And, we'll take a look back at the best of "At Large's" crime coverage!

It’s the final farewell you don’t want to miss! source: "At Large" with Geraldo Rivera - Topics and Guests for October 8 & 9
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:08 PM
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11. a counter challenge for them: count to 20 without taking off their shoes.
:D
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 06:08 PM
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12. Fox News is commentary, not news
and the news they do report is missing people
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:17 PM
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14. Other than the "Kerry has a mistress" story and the Swiftboat Lies?
Does he/she need more?

There was also a story Carl Cameron did, the specifics of which I forget, but one he was forced to apologize on air for.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:52 PM
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16. Cameron put something on his blog site that he had to apologize for
It was something negative about Kerry. I don't remember the details.

Cameron represents the worst of Fox. His wife worked on bush's campaign while he reported for Fox from the road with Kerry. Talk about a conflict of interest.

I will never forget the time I was watching Fox and I saw Cameron report on a speech Kerry had given and he laughed at something Kerry had said that wasn't meant to be funny. The anchor (I think it was Hume) laughed too. I was stunned - they were actually belittling Kerry! Can you imagine if Dan Rather and Bob Schieffer had made fun of bush on the air? This is all the evidence I ever needed to understand just how biased Fox is.
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SalmonChantedEvening Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:57 PM
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18. Quick! to the BrockCave!!
http://mediamatters.org/items/200410040006?is_gsa=1&final=1


And from moment Cameron broke his false story, the Fox echo chamber ran with it shamelessly. And none of them lost their jobs over it.
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Marr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 07:24 PM
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15. A-a-and- it had to happen on a Monday! A-a-and the guy has to be Hawaaian!
Christ- could he set any more conditions? What a damned fool.
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mandyky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 08:03 PM
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17. 60% of FOX viewers have a lot of mistaken ideas
For instance Bill O'Reilly and his naming a French magazine that doesn't even exist. He also claimed Canadians weren't in VietNam.

First of all, it has not been proven Dan Rather lied. Yes, the document was forged, but it doesn't change the facts of the rest of that report. I believe the former Gov of TX said that Bush's family had gotten Georgie boy into the TNG on that same report.

People who only watch FOX for their "news" are wrong 60% of the time. They equate Saddam with 9-11, and other such nonsense.

Bet you could find some things at mediamatter.org - he is always catching them in lies and misrepresentations. I never watch FOX. I did watch one of the primary debates but other than that, no way. CNN and MSNBC are bad enough, but FOX is simply unacceptable.
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rppper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-10-05 09:15 PM
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19. clinton "trashing" the white house......
started at fox with the help of ari fliesher...when asked to show pictures, all that was produced was 1 polaroid that showed the white house halls filled with furniture while the rooms were being repainted and cleaned....gao investigation found the charges to be false, and the lie about the clintons stealing plates and serviceware false as well...oh, and fox ran with a lie about the clintons trashing AF1 as well...all later proven false. tell your buddy the gao's investigations cost the taxpayer a few million dollars as well, to prove, like whitewater, that republicans are finger pointers with no validity to their charges.
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