I Hate To Say This, But If Cheney Goes, We're Screwed

[ruggerson]

Bush will nominate Rice, Guiliani or *shudder* Romney, who will then be a SITTING VICE PRESIDENT in 08 and almost impossible to beat.

I am hoping Fitzgerald goes after Rove, Libby, etc but does not take Cheney down.

Of course, if he takes shrub down WITH Cheney, I'm fine with that.

I just want these monsters OUT in 08, and whatever enables that process to happen smoothly...

:patriot:

[cynatnite]

1. If cheney goes down, it will be a major blow to the repuke party...

I'm all for that :smoke:

[Cocoa]

12. if Cheney goes down, it would be Hugh

[cynatnite]

25. I'm all for HUGH!!!!!!11

:bounce: :toast: :bounce:

[donheld]

45. HUGH leave me alone!

:grr::evilgrin::mad:

[insanity]

2. I think the constitution says

Hassert should be next in line.

[IndyOp]

4. The line of succession applies, I think, only if the Pres

dies. If the VP dies the Pres can appoint a new one.

[cmd]

9. Right. Nixon appointed Ford after Agnew went down in disgrace

If both the shrub and the evil eye go down, Hastert becomes president.

[ruggerson]

6. If Cheney is indicted and resigns

according to the constitution, Bush appoints his successor and the Senate confirms it.

Nixon did it with Ford after Agnew resigned. And Ford appointed Rockefeller.

[NYC Liberal]

58. Actually both houses need to confirm.

Just minor nitpicking on my part :hi:

[LA lady]

7. Bush chooses

If Cheney goes down, Bush picks a new VP. I lived through the Nixon/Agnew days when Nixon picked Ford. But Ford lost to Carter the next year.

[Sanity Claws]

3. Don't be so sure

This should taint the entire Thug party pretty badly. Remember Ford was not elected, even though he became Prez after Nixon was forced out.

[kestrel91316]

39. Ford was picked by Nixon, so he had his taint. Cheney was picked by

Bush; say, he goes down - Bush picks his replacement. That plus the years of corruption being uncovered, will be the kiss of death for the presidential aspirations of any new VP picked by Bush.

[FranzFerdinand]

5. question

you're not the first person to say "XXXX will then be a SITTING VICE PRESIDENT in 08 and almost impossible to beat."

what is that makes a sitting VP "impossible to beat"?

[NorCalDem]

10. I'm not sure how it was meant above

but incumbents ALWAYS have an advantage over their opponent. Name recognition, media savvy, etc, etc., all come into play in our sham of an election process (the sheeple don't actually care about issues, or so it would seem).

If Cheney goes down however, I think that will too big a hit to the Repub reputation, and '08 would be ours to lose!

[ender]

23. thats a huge misnomer.

GWB was the first sitting VP to win since like Andrew Jackson.

The sitting VP spot is almost a kiss of death for a candidate.

You really need to look at history.

[IntravenousDemilo]

47. You're close...

Actually it was GHWB, and the last one before that was Van Buren.

[Harry S Truman]

11. Right

The country is so sick of these repuke crooks, it wouldn't matter who was sitting on the VP. Of course, as the media blow jobs continue, why bother thinking or voting????

[catzies]

20. Answer

Four little words:

George. Herbert. Walker. Bush.

:evilgrin:

teehee

Welcome to DU :hi:

[FranzFerdinand]

27. you welcoming me?

thank you! i've been around for a while now. i'm a quiet guy. i had my Kerry sign stolen one day only to come to work and have someone here spend the better part of a morning calling me a freeper ;)

good times...

[IntravenousDemilo]

48. Uh-uh. Two words:

Al Gore.

[DefenseLawyer]

8. Gerald Ford

certainly wasn't impossible to beat in '76 under somewhat similar circumstances, and he actually got to be president for a while. Al Gore wasn't impossible to beat (although he was cheated, it was still close enough to allow them to cheat) Neither was Humphrey in '68 or Nixon in '60. I don't think historically being vice president has been much of an advantage.

[Selatius]

13. If Bush went insane and appointed John McCain, there goes '08

But I think Bush is suffering from a different form of insanity.

[FranzFerdinand]

15. i know McCain bashing it hot these days but..

i've seen worse Republicans ;)

[Greyhound]

30. Worse yes, but he's better than the rest of the repug field.

Not to worry though, the RNC has decreed he shall not get the nomination. :shrug:

[Selatius]

62. That's the point; he's too far towards the middle for them

Though, if the last resort of the RNC was to simply prevent the Democrats from taking the White House in '08, they might actually consider McCain as a desperation move on their part.

[sandnsea]

63. Yeah, how much damage can he cause in 4 years

Seems like we went down that road once already.

[seabeyond]

14. almost impossible to beat......... silliness, simply silliness

people dont want any of the three as pres, they dont trust any of the three even the republicans dont trust these three. cheney goes down, shows the corruption of the repug party, they will have no support from dem or independents. the repugs will be deflated and not go to the voters booth.

[Fleshdancer]

16. I disagree. What is best for the country is best for our Party

and removing every corrupt politician in Congress and in the White House is what's best and necessary for the country.

[bain_sidhe]

17. "a SITTING VICE PRESIDENT... almost impossible to beat"

Yeah! Like Al Gore!

Oh, wait...

[FranzFerdinand]

19. we have a winner

well done :)

[NewJeffCT]

38. Not to mention Tricky Dick Nixon in 1960

[deadparrot]

18. Believe me, if the Republican VP resigns, it's not going to be good news

for the GOP. If it escalated to the point that Cheney has to resign (which I have serious doubts about), the new VP has to serve in a scandal-ridden WH for the next 3-3.5 years. It's going to taint him/her in 2008.

We've seen all the potential GOP candidates for 2008 distancing themselves from Bushco in some form or another. They're rats fleeing a sinking ship.

[lancdem]

31. Exactly

[CatWoman]

21. your logic confuses me

I feel like the Unfrozen Caveman

[FranzFerdinand]

24. i'm not familiar with your strange ways

was you talkin' to me?

[CatWoman]

29. *snarf*

:D

BTW -- Welcome to DU :hi:

[ruggerson]

26. My logic is that incumbents always have a huge advantage

and we all know how the Republicans milk it (terror alerts, etc)

[stevedeshazer]

22. If Cheney DOESN'T Go, We're Screwed

He's the linchpin in this whole deal.

Timing is everything.

The 25th Amendment:

Amendment XXV

Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
If it happens now, you may be right.

If we retake Congress, or at least either the House or Senate in January 2007, all bets are off.

[lancdem]

28. Are you kidding?

No one with any presidential aspirations for 2008 would accept the VP in a corrupt administration. Repugs like Hagel are already distancing themselves from Bush because he's unpopular. And do you really think Fitz is going to let Bush off the hook if he nails Cheney? Hardly.

[TheCowsCameHome]

34. I think you're right. They're heading for the lifeboats already.

[TheCowsCameHome]

32. I just want to see one (or more) GONE. Let the purge begin. Now.

One day at a time.

[Zynx]

33. Sitting VP impossible to beat?

Look at history on that one and then get back to me. You will find that it is typically quite the opposite, particularly with an unpopular president such as Shrub.

[lectrobyte]

35. No, people are sick of Bush's terra and economic ruin,

the repubs won't have a chance unless they declare martial law after suicide bombers blow up polling places shortly after they open on the east coast.

[SunDrop23]

36. If Cheney goes, they will get as much distance as possible

[charlie]

37. Cheney and Shrub did their party a huge disservice

by not taking Cheney out immediately after the election and appointing an heir apparent. That moment has passed. No new Vice President is going to enjoy any incumbent advantages after Dick is chased out of town.

[TheCowsCameHome]

42. Still not too late to whip up a heart attack to evoke sympathy

[David Zephyr]

40. Nah. McCain will be the VP.

Cheney will resign for health reasons should he be indicted and Bush will pardon him. McCain already knows he's "in" which explains his severe asskissing of Bush and his policies lately.

[TheCowsCameHome]

43. I dunno. The hard right beats on him like they do on Miers.

[longship]

53. The neocons despise McCain.

I don't know why people around here keep saying that McCain would replace Cheney if Cheney has to leave office. McCain would be the last person in the world they'd pick.

Think about it. McCain as president would be almost good. He'd be somebody the Dems could work with. Why in the Sam Hell would the neocon fascists want to turn over the whole business to somebody like that?

No, if Crashcart crashes, it'll be another neocon, not McCain.

[David Zephyr]

67. The Bush family are not neo-cons, they are Saudi puppets.

Now Dick Cheney, that's a neo-con.

[Dr Fate]

41. Wrong- we can beat anyone in '08...

...it depends on how we frame things...

[NNadir]

44. My guess is that the old Stalinist system will trump all in any case.

Stalin laughed to a colleague once, "It doesn't matter how people vote. What matters is who counts the votes."

[AX10]

46. The entire party will be tainted. Also with the economic shitstorm....

to come, the Democrats will make a huge comeback in 2008. Wes Clark's the man. You heard it from me first.

[longship]

57. I like your prediction.

Al Gore would also be good.

My favs right now are Clark and Gore in no particular order. If one of the CBC decides to run, I may have to adjust my thinking. Those folks have been carrying the water for the Dems for a long, long time. They deserve a shot at the big spot.

[peacetalksforall]

49. You are all talking like things are normal. They are not. We don't have

a vote if the right wing still control the votes. They stole in 00-02-04.

All is talk:

. if we continue to allow them to furnish their unvetted, un regulated Republican hardware, software, and technicians -
. if we allow their right wing networks to pay for the exit polls and then trust that right wing networks are not going to manipulate the vote in consort with the right wing -
. if we allow right wing networks to call the vote -
. unless we ensure that voters are unobstructed in getting to the polls and unless we assure their names are not purged.

All is nothing unless we wrench control of voting away from the right wing and place it in back of non-traitors.

Who are you going to trust?

Paper trails ARE NOT GOING TO DO IT!

Incumbents are irrelevant if citizens don't control the voting.

We are fools and suckers if we let it happen again in '06 or '08.

[VADem11]

50. We're not screwed

If Cheney goes down, it'll taint the entire party. I don't see Bush becoming wildly popular again or see any VP he picks being popular. All of the candidates you mention aren't squeaky clean like Ford. VP candidates usually have to be confirmed by huge majorities like Ford. We've only had two sitting VP's win the presidency so it won't be impossible. It'll be ok eventually.

[DemoTex]

51. Go to the light, DICK ..Please! Hell is ready!

[longship]

52. Chimp will be implicated.

Chimp was on AF-1 when the whole plan was put into action. We *know* as fact that he's known about it in detail for over two years. That means that he helped cover it up for over two fucking years. There's no way that there isn't presidential obstruction of justice and conspiracy.

We have to hope that Fitz has him by the short hairs.

[Marr]

54. The Republicans are fucked. The big fight of the next few years is between

the progressives and the DLC Republicrats.

[Melinda]

55. Ya mean like ROCKEFELLER won in 1976?

:rofl:

*edited to remove the reference to the klutz

[Blue_In_AK]

56. I'm sorry to remind you...

But a sitting vice president doesn't necessarily have a lock -- remember Al Gore?

[Swamp Rat]

59. Rethuglicans can only steal elections from now on.

[Dinger]

60. IF Cheney Goes, I Don't See How The Giggling Murderer Can

be immune. Have NO fear, if Cheney goes, they'll BOTH go.

[Maddy McCall]

61. I don't think so. Anyone associated with Bush in '08 faces an uphill...

battle. That person won't have the usual benefit of being an incumbent VP. Indeed, the then-sitting VP's association with Bush will be seen as a liability.

[me b zola]

64. If dick goes down, they only ones that could save the repug party .......

are the Dems.

Repugs are so SO screwed when this breaks.

[No Exit]

65. Listen, my friend, nobody, but NOBODY

is worse than Cheney!!!

[berni_mccoy]

66. No Need To Worry

Cheney isn't going to jail, he isn't going to resign and he certainly won't be impeached.

Think mafia and then you'll understand why, even if indicted, nothing will result.

Imagine if the head of the mafia had the ability to pardon. Now imagine Bush as the head of that mafia... see what I mean.