We Must Deal with Those That Incite Hatred

[stepnw1f]

of other Americans. Fox News is on my list. Remember peeps: rightwing tv and radio is here to divide us all! That's their agenda.

[MadHound]

1. So how do we do that?

Force them off the air? Censor their broadcasts? Sorry, but there is that pesky little thing known as free speech in this country, and whether we like it or not, these companies are free to say what they want.

There are only two actions that I can see. The first is to bring back the fairness doctrine. When Reagan wiped this off the books, he set the table for the rise of hate radio. The second is to roll back the '96 Telecom act. Clinton foolishly allowed the further monopolizaton of the media, to the point where 6 corporations now control 95% of our entire media.

These two actions would go a long way to restoring our media to the position it formerly held, that of being a watchdog for the people. Until we do this, all we are going to have is propaganda and more propaganda.

[stepnw1f]

2. The Fairness Doctrine Is More of What I Hope for

I am an artist who believes in free-speech.

[porphyrian]

16. We have to take back Congress to do that.

And we can't be sure we can get a fair election with the electronic voting machines, so it may not even be possible. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try, but that would be the first step. Then, we have to get people into Congress who would reinstate the Fairness Doctrine, which won't happen with the corporatist "moderate" candidates. However, they have the money in the party, so they get more than their fair share of representation, and they are convinced that their way is the way to go. Anyway, if we can get people in Congress who would reinstate the Fairness Doctrine and enough of them to gain a majority, assuming we can get around the rigged election process, then we still have the Presidential veto to stop it. So, unless we can make a hostile President flip-flop and turn against his "base," which wouldn't be in his best interest at the moment, given that corporate media propaganda is the only reason he hasn't been drug into the street and lynched at this point, we've got to once again beat the corrupt electronic voting process in 2008 and elect a non-corporatist "moderate" President who won't veto any Fairness Doctrine reinstatement, assuming we get past all those other hurdles. Got a few years?

[back2basics909]

4. Speech is only so free..

.. as they keep reminding us, you cannot go in to a crowded place and shout FIRE! You cannot incite hatred. The record is clear with these people, it's not one or two quotes. It's a history of division and the spewing of hate.

We have very good records of all this, we have mediamatters and archives of everything said over years. Gay bashing, Muslim bashing, liberal bashing.

But it goes further than that, the enabled the war. They helped sell the war, as well as the agenda.

[MadHound]

7. Actually, we are free to incite hate

Witness all of the Supreme Court cases allowing the KKK to march and speak. Inciting hate is not the popular thing to do, and people should speak out against it. But I have to follow the ACLU on this one, whether or not you like what is being said, I still believe that you have the right to say it. This concept has been fought over time and again and free speech has always won out. And believe me, we want it to stay that way, for as soon as you start banning any sort of speech before you know it what you wish to say will be banned.

And as far as enabling the war goes, that is why we need to roll back the '96 Telecom act. Clinton was merely being a corporate tool when he rammed that one through, and we have been paying for it ever since. What is needed in this country is a FREE and DIVERSIFIED press in order for the truth to once again get to the people.

[ProfessorGAC]

22. But, Who Gets To Decide What Is "Hate Speech"?

That's the tricky part. The "Fire in a crowded theatre" is certainly a well-known reference point for the limitation of free speech, but there is no interpretation necessary there. It's patently dangerous and offers nothing to the public good. Opinions are quite the contrary and it will require some way to decide which opinions are good and valid, and which are merely inciteful and hateful.

I don't know that we have anybody on earth capable of making that decision wisely and accurately, every single time.
The Professor

[back2basics909]

5. This IMHO, is where we start..

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/10/1653148.php

"Truth from These Podia: Summary of a Study of Strategic Influence, Perception Management, Strategic Information Warfare and Strategic Psychological Operations in Gulf II," written by Colonel Sam Gardiner who identified 50 false news stories created and leaked by a secretive White House propaganda apparatus."

[back2basics909]

3. ABSOLUTLY.

I am not advocating a witch hunt, but certain people we all know. Culter, Rush, O'Reilly they have incited hatred on a huge scale, and they must be dealt with.

[Just Me]

6. I agree. There must be greater restraint on hate speech.

Greater responsibility must be demanded of those who perpetually lie and divide.

[Perky]

8. Does that include the Vilification of Christians as a group on DU?

Just curious?

[stepnw1f]

9. Oh You Oppressed Christian...

puhleeeeeeze go disrupt another thread!

[Perky]

10. Hey I am serious

I am not saying that wingnuts should be given a free wide.

But there is a lot of tar and feathering with a very broadbrush. Alot of stereotyping

To turn a blind eye when people say all Christian are idiots and narrowminded and can't be trusted while assailing Hate speech, is a bit disengenuous don't you think?

I mean is it wrong for Farrakhan to say that Judaism is a gutter religion while not lifting a finger of caution when someone says "the Holy Spirit can blow me"?

I am not feeling the least bit opressed honestly... I just think its a bit hypocritical to not object when DUers launch broadsides against fundamentalism or evangelicals while detesting the hate speech of the right and calling them arrogant and narrowminded because of what they say.

[stepnw1f]

12. Tell Ya What....

When you start dealing with those using/abusing your Christianity and the American flag for greed and power, then I'll listen to ya. Your comments have nothing to do with my thread. Plus you should understand most DU'ers don't have an issue with your beliefs. Just your lack of actions against those within the church you so defend against DU.

I smell "red Herring". And oh.... I was very serious in my last post.

Stop those Christians persecuting against gays and liberals. Stop playing the oppressed card. Pssst... I am a Christian.

[tx_dem41]

13. I think his/her comments have everything to do with this thread.

I would imagine "hate" is one of the most commonly posted lines on DU (and probably most internet forum, sadly). To follow your logic that you apply to Christian DUers, have you done anything to address the hatred that sometimes emanates from this forum? So far, I have seen you only attempt to divide as well. When you stop doing that, and start addressing all hatred, I will start to take you seriously.

[Perky]

14. Hey I am doing everything I can to pull people away from

the cluthces of the wingnuts. People in My CHurch know presisely wher I stand.

My point is there is a lot of polling data out there which suggest that the nation by and large feels as though the Democratic Party generally and liberals specifically are against people of faith. RIghtly or wrongly that is the polling.

I have chose not to believe that as a rule because of my long heritage as a democratic. At the same time there are element on here that give the Wingnuts and Freepers all the Ammo they need to reinforce the polling Data.

But here is the deal. Isn't all hate speech terrible and should slamming people of faith for what they believe be routed out of DU just as much as someone who used the "N" word or says things that are anti-semitic?

Is there a difference?

[Perky]

15. thank you

Its not ok to say that hate speech is permissable in some instances (when we do it) but not ok when others do!!!

[tx_dem41]

11. How do you define "incite hatred" or "divide us all".

From my observations, I see hatred on both sides and a lack of desire to communicate is prevalent on both sides. Yes, I see a right bias on a lot of TV and of course talk radio, but when the left gets a platform (e.g. AAR), we seem to cheer on the name-calling and other shallow attacks that emanate from that platform too often.

So you might want to stop the incitement of hatred, but I think what a lot really want is the equal opportunity to hate back.

[Perky]

17. Hey Stepnwlf???? Where'd you go?

???

[stepnw1f]

18. I'm Outing Freepers (nt)

[Perky]

19. You;re calling me a Freeper?

I have never even been to the site. Not once. I have over 1,000 posts on DU
I have been a memeber for years

I come from a very strong and vibrant Democratice heritage.

My folks marched on Washington when it meant something and all three kids marched with them/

I saw the I ahve a Dream speech in person. I have relatives who particiapted in Freedom Summer"

WHen Martin was killed my daddy spenth three days and night in newark as a peacemake and he hailed from middle Georgioa.

My Mome has been invloved in Democratic local politics in every commnity she has ever lived in.I have uncles who have sat on the DNC platform committee.

I will match my Democratic pedigree with anyone on this site.


ANd yes,by the grace of God I am a CHristian. That does not make me any less a Democrat.

If you think hate speech directed at Christians in genreal is ok, then you should not be against hate speech at all.

[stepnw1f]

20. I Don't Give a Shit Who You Are or What You Believe In

You disrupted my thread and now are stalking me. You also got my last post deleted. If you are looking for trouble, you have just found it. I do not believe you are a real christian. If you were, you would keep it more private. Yet you wave it around like some jingoistic fool waving a the American flag looking for approval.

You wrongfully accuse DU of bashing me (I'm a Christian). You have a problem with DU, I don't. I do not suffer fools well.

[Perky]

21. I actually have not

had any post deleted,....You have not answered my initial question all you have done in level incorrect assertions about me.

I stand by my orriginal response which was simply If we wat to go after hate speech lets go after it all... YOu were the one who went said I was a freeper,, and suggested thatyour OP was menat to be selective about which hate speech we should be against.

ANd there are DUers on here who are viruntly anti-Christian and some that are mean spirited about it as well.