Are we at DU prepared for the ultimate letdown? as in NO indictments?

[CatWoman]

we have to be prepared for anything.

a posted in GD/Politics just reminded me of that.

[stopbush]

1. What are New Orleans Indictments? :)

[Pam-Moby]

7. I think she means

No indictments. LOL

[CatWoman]

11. Stop Bush knew what I meant

:D

Just wanted to screw with me :D

[King Coal]

69. Well who can blame him?

B-)

[CatWoman]

72. !

:hi:

[SammyBlue]

2. Hard to be let down when you don't expect them to begin with.

[soleft]

3. I think it would be like Nov 04 = maybe worse

[hang a left]

22. Oh it would be much much worse.

I would be suicidal. Thank goodness that indictments are on the way. :evilgrin:

[expatriot]

We'll always have DeLay. nt

[mcctatas]

4. Yes...

I have an asp in a basket next to my bed. I still can't decide whether to use it on myself, or release it in the oval office:shrug:

[CatWoman]

12. Gawd, that's funny

:rofl:

[hang a left]

28. I didn't get it.

And according to Catwoman it is pretty funny. ????

[CatWoman]

29. That's how Cleopatra committed suicide

a bite from an asp :D

[emulatorloo]

30. LOL n/t

[mtnester]

33. Release it...please

LOL

[mcctatas]

68. I don't know...

PETA might get pissed, animal cruelty and all releasing a poor, helpless venemous snake in that pit of vipers;)

[jackstraw45]

5. I think people here have REALLY counted their chickens

before they've hatched on this one.

WAY too much confidence that the BFEE would go down so easily.

My guess - Libby is charged and Rove walks. Libby plea bargins, spared jail time and writes a book in 2008.

Hope I'm wrong but we've got to calm our sense of celebration here until we KNOW something is going to happen.

[ComerPerro]

25. Writes a book about how he stood up against big government,

and stood up for free speech.

:puke:

[AndyTiedye]

34. If Karl Walks, There Are Going to Be Some REALLY Pissed-Off CIA People

My guess - Libby is charged and Rove walks. Libby plea bargins, spared jail time and writes a book in 2008.

That would be disappointing, of course. Not only to us, but to a whole
lot of really pissed-off CIA people. They're not known for going down
easy either.

[LSparkle]

6. You must be listening to Jonathan Alter ...

He was on Franken's show today and said the same thing ... and then Al rightly pointed out that Alter's track record on stuff like this isn't exactly stellar.

I keep focusing on Fitzgerald's track record -- has he ever pursued an investigation for close to this long WITHOUT having something to show for it?

[CatWoman]

15. On a positive note -- Fitzgerald is the one who brought down Gotti

Before that he was known as "the Teflon Don"

Just something to think about.

[LSparkle]

31. See -- THAT's our Fitz ... he's up to this challenge, if anyone is

[ProfessorGAC]

79. And The Illinois Republican Mafia

The Professor

[ken_g]

8. I would be soooo bummed. eom

[LonelyLRLiberal]

9. I'll be crushed

and will be convinced "there is no justice" for these evil bastards or anyone else.

[electropop]

18. I'm preparing "Plan B".

Looking for an apartment in Toronto.

Seriously, I am positive there will be indictments. Only question is how high up Fitz will dare to go. I think if he doesn't try to disable the regime, he is only endangering himself more - like just wounding a lion.

[LonelyLRLiberal]

41. I am reading here and hearing that Fitz is fearless.

...... and smart, so let's hope he goes for the jugular.

My plan B would be in a warmer climate, say Costa Rica.

[leftchick]

10. I am not prepared

at all. :(

[VolcanoJen]

13. Hell no, I'm not.

If Fitzgerald comes up empty, who's going to drink all this champagne I've stocked away in the fridge? :-)

Gawd, that would suck, CatWoman. Please, Fitz, throw us a frickin' bone! :-(

[CatWoman]

20. Well, Jen, if it's any consolation

I'll volunteer to help you out with disposing that champagne :D

[VolcanoJen]

64. I kinda suspected you would.

:toast:

Glug, glug, glug, girl!

[TallahasseeGrannie]

14. I just wrote on a post about this same topic

It might not happen, folks. Let's not party too early. I saw all the anguish after November and it broke me up. I was a lurker then. DU-ers are passionate and sensitve. Hold something back just in case.

But if it happens, everybody come to my house for Octoberfest! Beer and brats on the grill! (that's sausage, not nasty kids!)

[CatWoman]

23. your post prompted me to post this thread

Mom

:D

[TallahasseeGrannie]

67. OH!

well, good!

[spinbaby]

16. Or alternatively

There ARE indictments, but they decide the rules don't apply to them and then the media never reports on it again.

[Beetwasher]

17. Possible, But Not Likely, They've Committed Crimes by their OWN ADMISSION!

From David Corn's latest:

"By Rove's own admission--or that of his attorney--Rove did pass classified information (Valerie Wilson's employment status at the CIA was classified) to at least two reporters (Cooper and Novak)."

That is a crime. Period. Rove admitted it. I can't see how he can avoid an indictment right there unless Fitz is crooked (and I don't think that's the case).

The ONLY way there will be no indictments is if Fitz is crooked and/or someone got to him, otherwise, there will be indictments.

Link to article:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20051012/cm_thenation/328485

[Opusnone]

19. Vote, vote, vote

That is the only way.
Send them packing. The entire BFEE, the neocon bureaucrats and the corrupt cronies.
Vote in a Democratic Congress in 2006 and watch the roaches run under the fridge.

[Nostradammit]

44. On Diebold and ES&S machines?

Not bloody likely.

[ComerPerro]

21. Prepared? Hell, I'm expecting it

[Pirate Smile]

24. NO!

But we would deal with it. Nothing could come close to matching the aftermath of the election. Now that was grief.

[ken_g]

26. I expect indictments, but I also fear pardons

ala, pappy Bush and Iran-Contra.

[stepnw1f]

27. I Would Give Up My Citizenship (nt)

[LSK]

32. yes

When has ANYTHING worked in our favor since Clinton was last elected? My brother-in-law keeps pounding on me that everything is fixed and there is no more America. Maybe hes right and no matter what we do, it wont matter.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

35. A realistic thought on DU? And you aren't getting flamed?

Hell does seem a bit frosty today... I guess it could happen... :evilgrin:

On a more serious note, yeah, they might not happen at all. But even if they do, what will this really change? Neither Bush nor Cheney will be running for office again. It'll do some damage to the GOP as a whole, sure, but it's still only 2005. We've got a full year until 2006, and anything can, and will, happen.

[goforit]

36. Well yes, but are they prepared for ultimate anger from 70% americans?

[LSK]

40. yeah right

70% of Americans would only be "ultimately" angered if the Superbowl was canceled.

[0rganism]

43. What, are the bushistas going to cancel Reality TV?

70% of Americans don't give a flying fuck about anything that doesn't inconvenience them directly.

[lonestarnot]

37. Revolting thought!

[alkaline9]

38. what i'm expecting is...

...indictments .... followed by a rash of pardons :-(

While that may play out to be BushCo's end, it still wouldn't thrill me as much as the entire group of villains behind bars.

[Lerkfish]

39. I'm happy, actually, if nothing else happens from this point forward...

watching the flopsweat of this administration WORRYING about things happening is a pleasure in and of itself.

for stuff to happen on top of that would be gravy, in my book, considering the strangelhold the repubs have on govt. at the moment.

[Catherine Vincent]

42. I agree.

Fitzgerald, after all, is still a republican. Never trust republicans.

[Nightjock]

55. I agree up to a point

You can't label all repugs the same way if they are outside of this illegitimate white house.

I don't know a single democrat that would give a "pass' to a democratic president if he committed treason.
I wouldn't.
No one loves Bill Clinton more than I do but if he did what bush, Rove and co. did I would pursue prosecution to the fullest.

And so many republicans have finally seen that bush is a no good, empty suit and jumped ship.

I agree to be wary but I am not worried about him being a republican.

[emulatorloo]

76. he is not a republican nor is he a democrat -- see link in my post below

<snip>

Fitzgerald is careful to be apolitical in his targets and his public life alike. He registered to vote as an Independent in New York, only to discover, when he began receiving fundraising calls, that Independent was a political party. He re-registered with no affiliation, as he did later in Chicago.

He spit fire last year when reporters asked whether the racketeering indictment of Muhammad Hamid Khalil Salah, a fundraiser for the Islamic militant group Hamas, was timed to boost President Bush's reelection campaign. The case was trumpeted first by Attorney General John Ashcroft.

"I am not running for an election. I'm not part of a political party," Fitzgerald said at the time. "The election is irrelevant to this case. The reason we brought this case now is we're ready to proceed."

<snip>

[emulatorloo]

75. do a little research

fitzgerald is not a republican. . . .

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55560-2005Feb1?language=printer

<snip>

Fitzgerald is careful to be apolitical in his targets and his public life alike. He registered to vote as an Independent in New York, only to discover, when he began receiving fundraising calls, that Independent was a political party. He re-registered with no affiliation, as he did later in Chicago.

He spit fire last year when reporters asked whether the racketeering indictment of Muhammad Hamid Khalil Salah, a fundraiser for the Islamic militant group Hamas, was timed to boost President Bush's reelection campaign. The case was trumpeted first by Attorney General John Ashcroft.

"I am not running for an election. I'm not part of a political party," Fitzgerald said at the time. "The election is irrelevant to this case. The reason we brought this case now is we're ready to proceed."

<snip>

[Connie_Corleone]

45. Tear my house apart like on election night. nt

[truebrit71]

46. You know...this thought had crossed my mind...

..but i really don't see it is being a possibility judging by the number of times Rover and Judy have been back and forth.

Of course, if the inconceivable happens and these criminals skate, I may well have to seriously reconsider moving my family back across the pond. I have no desire whatsoever to live in a facist dictatorship....

[savemefromdumbya]

47. I would have to put my vintage bottle of Chianti away til next time

grrrr:grr:

[Arkansas Granny]

48. Someone will probably be indicted, but it won't be the people

we would like to see. They will throw someone to the wolves (Ollie North style) who will take all the blame because he's a good little Bushbot. It probably won't affect the people we'd most like to see indicted. We can still hope, however.

[donheld]

49. Of course were not

How does one prepare for such a let down. Indictments are deserved in this case, but we've been let down so many times before. God i hope not again.

[berni_mccoy]

50. I think it's going to be worse than that...

I think Indictments will come (and everyone will cheer) but then nothing will result because Bush will pardon everyone and Congress won't impeach.

Here's a thread discussing that topic:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5038972&mesg_id=5038972

[desi826]

51. I don't believe that

You keep forgetting that it is the Grand Jury that indicts, not the prosecutor, and might I remind you that the jury in this case is mostly african american females and that when Cooper came back from testifying before them he was remarking on how tough the jury was?

I remember starting a thread about this very thing when I found out
about it. Blacks are not as easily intimidated as whites, especially when it comes to Bush, but I don't have to tell you that.
If there is a need to nail the Bushies collective asses, you better believe they will have no problem doing it.

Do you remember how the Bush was kissing up to blacks, even sending the head of the RNC to the annual NAACP conference for the first time in 5 years just before Katrina hit?
That's why.

The question is will the Rove be included in any indictments or will he somehow weasel out of it. I can't see him doing so since Fitzgerald took back his promise of NOT indicting him; no longer promising him he had nothing to worry about.

But I expect indictments.
Though I am becoming increasingly curious about just who and how many, since it seems his entire cabinet was in on this.
It almost seems that if they ALL aren't indicted it would be a crime.
Des

[CatWoman]

57. Thanks Des

and know that this black woman hates his dumb ass.

Would you believe that some freeper joined DU today just to call me a "nigger" in one of my threads?

I almost fell over laughing :hi:+

[desi826]

70. Good Lord

Catwoman wrote:

"Thanks Des"

No Prob.
I just wish I could be on that jury.
I would love to find out just what happened and how they were able to get away with the things they did. I would also love to know who the jury is looking at with regards to indictment. I keep hearing about 22 people that are possibles for indictment. I would love to know who they are.

"and know that this black woman hates his dumb ass."

Ditto. Natch.

"Would you believe that some freeper joined DU today just to call me a "nigger" in one of my threads?I almost fell over laughing :hi:+"

You're kidding! What's happening to DU?
And why did he call you that? Just out of the blue, or did he have a point in his racism?
I hope you read him the riot act at least.
Des

[CatWoman]

73. I have absolutely no idea why that pinhead did that

It was a lounge thread, and I was talking about all the spiders camped out on my front porch.

This idiot says they are there because I'm a nigger, and spiders like to scare niggers.

I don't know how that person knew I was Black. He/she obviously had been trolling the board for some time, gathering information.

At the time he/she wrote that, their post count was about four or five.

I laughed at him/her and alerted, and *poof* -- it was gone.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

52. Yes, because I'm pessimistic, and it's something not within my control.

[jokerman93]

53. No expectations

Been let down too many times. But if this investigation fizzles out into legal smoke, a few people get spanked, and the Bush juggernaut rolls on...then as Bob Dylan would say, "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there."

My wife and I bought a townhouse in Shanghai.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

63. How much did it cost? Seriously. I wondered that when I visited there

a few years ago. Figured Shanghai and Beijing were probably seriously great real estate investments even now.

Can you legally "own" property in China as a foreigner? Or is it like buying something in Mexico where you get the "99 year lease" etc.?

[jokerman93]

78. short answer

yes foreigners can buy and own. It's a modified capitalist system now. No doubt. Roughly, prices seem to be hovering between %30 and %40 of a comparable purchase in the states. Although I don't really follow the real estate thing here. So I could be wrong. It's about 6668CNY/m2, and it's outright ownership too. Not speaking Chinese may be an obstacle though. My wife handled it. Lucky me.

As far as buying a parcel in the countryside, one must buy it from the government. There's a limit to the size though; about 200/m2. Not much. One must build on the property within two years or the gov. reclaims the land and keeps the change.

[Mr_Spock]

54. I don't expect anything

It'll be interesting and exciting if they are indicted, but they are sufficiently tarred at this point. :shrug:

[Just Me]

56. Well, it certainly wouldn't be the first time I've been disappointed.

x(

[Mnemosyne]

58. Totally devastated for a little while, then

work harder on the election fraud!

These pricks have got to fall sometime, somehow. Odds are in our favor with all the crimes they are involved in.:evilgrin:

[mountebank]

59. Anything can happen obviously, but the way Fitzgerald has persued this

case makes it seem more likely than not that more than zero indictments are forthcoming.

Though I agree that the predictions based on wishful thinking instead of the facts at hand often lead to the greatest letdown - and lots of people base their predictions on wishful thinking.

I happen to think, based on what I've seen, sending a reporter to jail, etc., that Fitzgerald will issue some indictments, maybe not high level, Bush and Cheney will almost certainly skate free, but something.

[KnaveRupe]

60. Here's my concern:

Fitz has been EXTREMELY tight-lipped about the whole investigation. He has completely clamped down on info to such a degree that nobody really has much of an idea what's truly going on.

Yet the past few days has seen reports from "lawyers familiar with the case" that Fitz is looking at conspiracy charges against the entire White house Iraq Group http://americablog.blogspot.com/2005/10/wsj-fitzgerald-looking-at-white-house.html,

I guess my worry is this: if I was Rove, and I was about to be indicted, and I knew it was coming, and I knew I was screwed, I would try to save the ship by leaking insanely overblown accounts of the carnage that was to follow. I would have rumors out there that the prosecutor was about to indict every single republican in government, and that he was looking to execute the entire administration for treason.

That way, when he came back with one little indictment rather than the bloodbath the opposition had anticipated, it would demoralize them and would work to my side's favor.

So... since Fitz hasn't ever leaked anything that we know of, who HAS been leaking these latest rumors? What "lawyers familiar with the case"?

Not trying to be a buzzkill or anything. Nobody in this country wants to see these criminals get their comeuppance as badly as I do. But I'm proceeding with caution for this reason.

[nvliberal]

61. Anything quoted from a blog can't be taken as gospel.

I wouldn't get my hopes up on this story.

[desi826]

71. This isn't from a blog

it's from the Wall Street Journal.

And I just read another story talking about William Kristol on Fox News Channel telling viewers that he has spoken to lawyers "friendly to the administration" warning him that there were going to be indictments of high level administration officials and that the Repubs were going to take a hit, so get ready.

Then he started whining about the "criminilization of politics" (like THEY didn't start that shit with Clinton).

There will be indictments.
The question is who, and how long is it going to take Fitzgerald to announce them.

Hell, even if there are plea bargains, that's STILL an admission of guilt. If one flips over on the other, THAT'S an admission of guilt.

And you know what?
I'm also hearing that the White House is already feuding.
The opponants of the Iraq war within the White House see this as their vindication and a chance to finally get rid of Karl.

ALL of this is good.
No matter what happens.

The only down side I see to this is the very incompetant Democratic party, fumbling, bumbling, cowardly response to what should be a HUGE political opportunity for them.

2006 is their's to lose.
And they more than likely will.
But if they do, it won't be because American citizens and responsible public servants haven't tried to help them.
Des

[cynatnite]

62. Carful optimism on a leash here...

I decided not to hang my hopes on this too much no matter how bad it looks.

[WI_DEM]

65. I am, I've seen the Bushie's get away with too much not to feel

that they could evade justice on this too.

[DearAbby]

66. Shit No! I am not prepared if there are 0 indictments

[DainBramaged]

74. Absolutely after November 2004, nothing would surprise me.

[stevietheman]

77. I'm on the other end -- I believe what will happen will be worse than...

generally expected (worse for Bush). Something rather explosive. That's what my "tea leaves" are telling me.