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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:26 AM
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A Marine for just six days, Aurora man dies in training
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-soldier26.html

Six days after Nick Howe became a U.S. Marine, sergeants showed up at the home of his parents, Mike and Judith Howe, on Aurora's near West Side.

Howe, 21, died Friday at Camp Pendleton in California during basic-training exercises. He had arrived at the camp three days earlier.

When his father answered the door, he wondered if his son was having second thoughts about the Marines. "Death was the farthest thing from my mind," he said.

Preliminary tests indicate Nick Howe died of a heart attack, likely the result of a heart defect he had from birth.

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Oversea Visitor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:29 AM
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1. Neglience
of the US army.
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Kaylee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:36 AM
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2. How?
He played sports his whole life. No one knew he had this heart condition. It was just a likely that he would have died during one of his college football games.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:37 AM
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3. Well, no.
Hell, the guy was an athlete and no other doctor found evidence of a heart defect. There was no reason to believe that he was at risk and the problem had never been diagnosed before.

I think this falls under the heading of unfortunate happening, definitely not negligence.
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NNN0LHI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 05:47 AM
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4. I agree with you 100%
My first day on the job at Ford in 1973 a guy who I hired in with and took the same physical I did dropped dead on his way to the first coffee break from a heart attack. He was 18 years old just like me at the time of his death. This happens more than people realize I think.

Don
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pecwae Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:33 AM
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5. Happened once in my BT
unit and in another barracked next to us. Both HS ball players; died during morning PT at Ft. Jackson. The physicals we were given couldn't have picked up on the pre existing conditions.
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cynatnite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 06:37 AM
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6. True...
My 30 year old brother-in-law suddenly died of a heart attack. Never diagnosed for anything like this at all so it was a shock.

Sadly, these things happen and there's nothing no one could do about it.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:23 AM
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10. Happened with a soccer player in Brazil last year.
http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=globe&page=soc-bra/news/CLN3571325.htm

30 years old. Just dropped dead in the middle of the field.

Now they test EVERYBODY for heart problems in Brazilian soccer. And a couple of players have been forbidden to play already. In all likelihood, it saved their lives.

So yes, it's preventable.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:57 AM
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13. Not in this case.
The same happens sometimes with a young athletes, who suddenly fall dead.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:07 AM
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14. Negligence? What's your evidence? Army? Wrong, Marines = Navy.*
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 07:18 AM
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7. Since when are Marine recruits trained @ Camp Pendleton?
Try Marine Corps Recruit Depot, San Diego, CA.
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DarbyUSMC Donating Member (352 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:16 AM
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8. Believe the left coast Marines go to Pendleton for ITR as the right coast
Marines go to LeJeune (Camp Geiger). It's still part of training, just not held where boot camp is held. I could be wrong, just an opinion.
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Ernesto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:12 AM
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16. "He was only a Marine for four days"
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 09:13 AM by Ernesto
True Darby, for "Hollywood" Marines ITR (that's Infantry Training Regiment, for non Marine DUers) is @ Pendleton, but only after boot camp.
At any rate, recruit deaths are fairly common. The USMC is serious business for sure. Much tougher than many well intentioned youngsters can imagine.
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:14 AM
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18. Parris Island, SC, is, I think, Marine Training Center on this coast.*
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:18 AM
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9. Shoulda been 4F'ed at the getgo
Somebody screwed up.
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MercutioATC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:49 AM
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11. Really? In 21 years, NO other doctor caught it.
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 08:50 AM by MercutioATC
What makes this a screw up?
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Jack from Charlotte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:11 AM
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15. Agreed Happens to highly trained athletes frequently. Athletes that are..
medically scrutinized all the time.

Sometime people just drop dead and there was no indication or test that would have indicated any problem.
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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 08:55 AM
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12. Nice Rush to judgement
Edited on Wed Oct-26-05 08:57 AM by DS1
This happens quite a bit - even triathletes just drop dead some days

There's nothing in the article that says anything about negligence. He could've died in his sleep for all you know.

oops, this was supposedly to have been in reply to post #1
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WLKjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 09:13 AM
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17. I go to school with a guy that was a marine
said this isn't all that uncommon. He told me a couple of people had died when he was in, they had heart attacks during basic.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 10:16 AM
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19. New flash: people die.
Just because they are young, doesn't remove them from that privilege.
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wordout Donating Member (355 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-26-05 10:49 AM
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20. I suppose they could replace him with a pro-draft DU'er.
WAR!WAR!WAR!RAH!RAH!RAH!
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