Fundy "patriot" LTTE of the day...

[Archae]

How can these people type and breathe at the same time? :crazy:

Force them to say ‘under God’
Sunday, October 30, 2005

The Pledge of Allegiance to the United States of America keeps popping up in the news, this time in California (again).
I’m making a proposal that the authorities make a ruling or law order: “That any group of people, civic, township, county, religious or social, that stand up in public to recite the Pledge of Allegiance to the Flag (our country) and omits ‘under God’ in their standing pledge, could be, shall be, charged with a misdemeanor or such and can be arrested, held accountable.”

Our past President Eisenhower had “under God” inserted in the pledge, but really the pledge was made in 1620 on the ship Mayflower, before landing at Plymouth Rock.

Since that time, our officials from the president on down, pledged, hand on the Bible; God’s word, under God. Our coins declare it, nature declares it, our pulpits declare it.

Our forefathers laid the “foundation” on the word of God. The Bible tells us if the foundation crumbles, great is the fall thereof. Pretty simple, but tragic.

I never understood why the Supreme Court was not tried for treason, days after their decision to withhold the foundation from their knowledge. The ACLU should be barred from our country, as they keep trying to bring the country to its knees.

http://ydr.com/story/letters/92232/

[tjwash]

1. I guess he does not know that the original pledge was written by...

...a Socialist. In the original pledge, Francis Bellamy is expressing the ideas of his first cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of the American socialist utopian novels, Looking Backward and Equality.

Must be getting near some kind of an election time, the hot button issues are crawling out from under their rocks again.

[redwitch]

2. Dear God, please smite him.

Amen.

[tjwash]

5. Oh God, bless this thy holy hand grenade...

...so that with it, thou mayst blow thy enemy in to tiny bits, in thy mercy...

[patrice]

3. These people live in a different universe.

The life of Christ illustrates how Freedom, from Religious and Civil "Authorities", is essential to Salvation.

Whatever is right, it Must be Chosen, for no reason other than it is right, not for reward, not to avoid punishment, not for political power, not for some "good" end. Like that man on the cross, we are called to choose and to throw our lives/choices into a black-hole. That's what Faith should be, not this quid-pro-quo many people mistake for spirituality, in which Obediance is Primary. "Obey" and "God" will take care of you" are the words of Mammon.

[lilymidnite]

4. Can I say "Under Goddess"?

It includes 'god' ... that'll chafe 'em.

Assholes, it's my country too.

[patrice]

8. That's a good idea!

When I used to go to Mass and we said The Creed, I always left off the word "men" in ". . . for us men and our salvation . . . "

Pleased to meet you lilymidnite. I'm always glad to run across Pagans. I took some nice pictures this Summer of one of the Goddesses children, a dancer . . .



Hare Krsna! Hare Rama!

[lilymidnite]

13. When I was an Xian (in ancient times) ...

I used to refuse to say the pledge entirely, because it was putting the flag above god.

Jeeze I was a wingnut!! (That was over 30 years ago, I have reformed).

Nice photo.

E.

P.S. When born-again types ask me if I've "accepted Jaysus", I can truthfully say yes. Once you're in their little club they can't take it away. Of course now, as a pagan, I believe in everything ...

[patrice]

15. Not swearing oathes is actually a very rational perspective that parallels

warnings against Blasphemy, as in the First Commandment.

People often put "things" ahead of being completely open to Whatever "God" is.

[goddess40]

18. sounds good to me

We tried to stop the opening prayer at the Democratic convention but we weren't successful - so far.

Call it an invocation it's the same shit.

Too many people think this a christian country and that only the Christians have values. All religions have the same basic rules and even their creation stories are similar.

Besides what is the point of forcing someone to say something they don't believe, other than proving your a big asshole bully.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. I wonder if the original author of the pledge

is turning in his grave? Damn Socialist who did not believe in the bible?

Oh and the Mayflower led the Pilgirms to the Masssachussets Bay Colony... what does this boy scout want the good ol' days of the Salem Trials to be brought back into fashion? Ah Cotton Mather must be also be spining in his grave, for this guy is an apostate under Mather's understaind of the law of god... wannna bet he drove to church and ahem cooked on the holy day of rest? (In the Mass Bay Colony people WALKED to church and did not cook for the festive meal... rather left their meal in a communal oven the day before, that was shared with all in a festive event, much like oh Jews in Easter Europe did in the Shtetl)

[mzteris]

9. Christian Socialist

actually.......

". . .Francis Bellamy in his sermons and lectures and Edward Bellamy in his novels and articles described in detail how the middle class could create a planned economy with political, social and economic equality for all. The government would run a peace time economy similar to our present military industrial complex.

The Pledge was published in the September 8th issue of The Youth's Companion, the leading family magazine and the Reader's Digest of its day. Its owner and editor, Daniel Ford, had hired Francis in 1891 as his assistant when Francis was pressured into leaving his baptist church in Boston because of his socialist sermons.

. . . original Pledge read as follows: 'I pledge allegiance to my Flag and (to*) the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.' He considered placing the word, 'equality,' in his Pledge, but knew that the state superintendents of education on his committee were against equality for women and African Americans. < * 'to' added in October, 1892. >

. . . In his retirement in Florida, he stopped attending church because he disliked the racial bigotry he found there. What follows is Bellamy's own account of some of the thoughts that went through his mind in August, 1892, as he picked the words of his Pledge:

-MORE-

http://history.vineyard.net/pledge.htm

[ptolle]

14. bible/communists

Socialism my posterior- there was at one time a movement the Oneida community which proudly proclaimed themselves bible communists. Of course the communist part must be understood apart from the ideological baggage heaped upon it.My study and understanding of the proto and early christians reveals, to me at least, a sturdily socialist community in which sharing of everything assets and burdens was the order of the day.But then I'm an unrepentant, unapologetic atheist former carpenter with a college education in philosophy and literature so what do I know?

[jedicord]

7. The US Mint didn't put the phrase "In God We Trust" on currency

until 1955. Presidents didn't start taking their oaths on the Bible until about that time.

200 years AFTER the foundation of our country was laid by our forefathers.

Oh, and the pledge was written in the early 1800's.

And, I guess our pulpits would declare "God", as that's their purpose.

GAWD!

[TahitiNut]

11. While the history of "IN GOD WE TRUST" goes back to pre-Civil War days ...

A law passed by the 84th Congress (P.L. 84-140) and approved by the President on July 30, 1956, the President approved a Joint Resolution of the 84th Congress, declaring IN GOD WE TRUST the national motto of the United States. IN GOD WE TRUST was first used on paper money in 1957, when it appeared on the one-dollar silver certificate. The first paper currency bearing the motto entered circulation on October 1, 1957. The Bureau of Engraving and Printing (BEP) was converting to the dry intaglio printing process. During this conversion, it gradually included IN GOD WE TRUST in the back design of all classes and denominations of currency.

http://www.treas.gov/education/fact-sheets/currency/in-god-we-trust.html

[sinkingfeeling]

10. Fine. I will stick to my rule and not recite the Pledge of Allegiance nor

stand while others do.

[patrice]

16. Thank you for your Courage.

[goddess40]

19. Wow, I'm not alone

sometimes I feel like it. I didn't stand for the National Anthem at my nieces graduation and my brother was pissed at me for months. He got over it after he understood why. He still doesn't like it but then he is more driven by what other people think then I am.

I haven't stood for either since middle school and they can arrest me and I still won't do it.

[AllegroRondo]

12. Tell her to read the Constitution

NO religious test or oath shall be required for any office

[Norquist Nemesis]

17. Dear God, Please hasten the Rapture

and deliver us from evil agent fundies!

[Archae]

20. Unfortunately...

These people will always be with us.

Religious fanatics have always also relied on "patriotism" to advance their agendas, calling their critics witches, communists, traitors and pro-terrorists.

The guy I quoted above is just the latest, "Be patriotic and Godly the way *I* want or you is a traitor who should be jailed or killed!"

It's from their ranks, (and are they rank...) :-) that the Freepers, Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin fans, and McCarthy revisionists crawl out of.