AIPAC Defense Doesn't Rest (Wake Up People!!!! This is the story to watch)

EnfantTerrible

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AIPAC Defense Doesn't Rest (Wake Up People!!!! This is the story to watch)

This has already been posted on DU here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=5262011&mesg_id=5262011

But the time has elapsed for Greatest Page consideration

I am posting a link to it in an effort to enlighten you to the bigger picture and encourage you to vote this to the greatest page.

Peace
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slor

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Sun Nov-06-05 07:49 PM
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1. Voted

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ClintonTyree

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Sun Nov-06-05 07:53 PM
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2. You've got my vote.........

the media is burying this but hopefully the trial will blow the top off of it. I don't see how they've kept it this quiet so long, but I can't see it staying under the radar forever. At least I hope not. There must be some tremendous pressure on the media to bury it though.

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bonito

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Sun Nov-06-05 07:54 PM
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3. Kick

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emulatorloo

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Sun Nov-06-05 07:55 PM
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4. kick n/t

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bigbrother05

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Sun Nov-06-05 08:07 PM
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5. kick and recommend

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Tom Joad

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Sun Nov-06-05 08:41 PM
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6. This is so important. AIPAC is a lobby for war.

It works to deceive and delude the American public, to bribe and coerce politicians into supporting policies for war and occupation.

In December, there is, as usual, an aipac dinner here in the Bay Area. As usual, we hope to dissuade the most liberal politicians not to go. (forget about the mainstream politicians, but even Barbara Lee has attended these events, though to her credit she has not done so in the recent past) Mayor Jerry Brown will welcome them to Oakland. Mayor Newsom will welcome them to San Francisco. Congresswoman Woolsey just a few months ago went on a tour with them to Israel.

This is where Democrats need to reevaluate their relationship with a political lobby that works against the interests of peace and justice.

A few decades ago, few politicians would criticize the NRA. Now they are routinely criticized and politicians, from progressive districts, would not associate with them. I hope that is soon the case with AIPAC.

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Sun Nov-06-05 08:57 PM
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8. Hear. Hear. And they own our Congress. It's why we are making

irrational decisions to launch unprovoked invasions into Iraq, Iran and Syria. It is why our war voting Dems won't say the war is immoral/illegal.

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meganmonkey

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Sun Nov-06-05 08:52 PM
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7. This trial is really important

Edited on Sun Nov-06-05 08:53 PM by meganmonkey

With so much going on in the same time frame (e.g. Alito hearing, maybe more from Fitzy) we really need to keep an eye on this one.

It is just as scandalous as (the rest of?) Treasongate, and may have just as great an impact on our country.

Kick and Nom!!!

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dbeach

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Sun Nov-06-05 09:14 PM
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9. AIPAC=NEO-CONS=TRAITORS

they hide behind the flag of Israel

Study the U Chicago and Leo Strauss the godfather of neo-cons

Ashcraft clss of 67
wolfowitz 73

more

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dbeach

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Sun Nov-06-05 09:18 PM
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10. TREASON by neo-cons is a long plan in progress

http://p216.ezboard.com/frigorousintuitionfrm10.showMessage?topicID=1825.topic

very interesting

www.counterpunch.org/boyle08022003.html

""My Alma Mater is a Moral Cesspool"
Neo-Cons, Fundies, Feddies and the University of Chicago
By FRANCIS A. BOYLE
Professor of Law, University of Illinois School of Law

It is now a matter of public record that immediately after the terrible tragedy of September 11, 2001, U.S. Secretary of War Donald Rumsfeld and his pro-Israeli "Neoconservative" Deputy Paul Wolfowitz began to plot, plan, scheme and conspire to wage a war of aggression against Iraq by manipulating the tragic events of September 11th in order to provide a pretext for doing so. Of course Iraq had nothing at all to do with September 11th or supporting Al-Qaeda . But that made no difference to Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, and the numerous other pro-Israeli Neo-cons in the Bush Jr. administration.

These pro-Israeli Neo-cons had been schooled in the Machiavellian/Nietzschean theories of Professor Leo Strauss, who taught political philosophy at the University of Chicago in their Department of Political Science. The best expose of Strauss's pernicious theories on law, politics, government, for elitism, and against democracy can be found in two scholarly books by the Canadian Professor Shadia B. Drury: The Political Ideas of Leo Strauss (198 ; Leo Strauss and the American Right (1999). I entered the University of Chicago in September of 1968 shortly after Strauss had retired. But I was trained in Chicago's Political Science Department by Strauss's foremost protege, co-author, and literary executor Joseph Cropsey. Based upon my personal experience as an alumnus of Chicago's Political Science Department (A.B., 1971, in Political Science), I concur completely with Professor Drury's devastating critique of Strauss. I also agree with her penetrating analysis of the degradation of the American political process by Chicago's Straussian cabal
Chicago routinely trained me and numerous other students to become ruthless and unprincipled Machiavellians. That is precisely why so many neophyte Neo-con students gravitated towards the University of Chicago or towards Chicago Alumni at other universities. The University of Chicago became the "brains" behind the Bush Jr. Empire and his Ashcroft Police State. Attorney General John Ashcroft received his law degree from the University of Chicago in 1967. Many of his "lawyers" at the Department of Injustice are members of the right-wing, racist, bigoted, reactionary, and totalitarian Federalist Society (aka "Feddies"), which originated in part at the University of Chicago.

Just recently the University of Chicago officially celebrated its Bush Jr. Straussian cabal, highlighting Wolfowitz Ph.D. '72, Ahmad Chalabi, Ph.D. '69, Abram Shulsky, A.M. '68, Ph.D. '72, Zalmay Khalilzad, Ph.D. '79, together with faculty members Bellow, X '39 and Bloom, A.B. '49, A.M. '53, Ph.D. '55. According to the June 2003 University of Chicago Magazine, Bloom's book "helped popularize Straussian ideals of democracy." It is correct to assert that Bloom's rant helped to popularize Straussian "ideas," but they were blatantly anti-democratic, Machiavellian, Nietzschean, and elitist to begin with. Only the University of Chicago would have the unmitigated Orwellian gall to publicly claim that Strauss and Bloom cared one whit about democracy, let alone comprehended the "ideals of democracy.""

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meganmonkey

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Sun Nov-06-05 09:43 PM
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12. Holy crap! I didn't realize both Chalabi and Khalilzad were part of the

U of Chicago crew, too.
..Learn something new everyday...

:yoiks:

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dbeach

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Sun Nov-06-05 09:56 PM
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13. comey class of 1985

comey apppointed Fitzgerald I NEVER heard comey was a neo-con but he was ashcrafts DOJ guy..its kinda scary..

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dbeach

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Sun Nov-06-05 09:59 PM
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14. strauss left UChicago in 1967

the yr Ashcraft graduated . he died in 1973 a very dangerous man..

http://members.tripod.com/Cato1/strauss-bio.htm

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Tom Joad

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Sun Nov-06-05 09:41 PM
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11. Pelosi and AIPAC... It is true love.

Pelosi's unconditional support for AIPAC, including her supporting the Annexation Wall, attacks on Palestinian civilians, is extreme.

The truth is, the Bush Administration has been for a more balanced policy (in lip service only) regarding Israel than Nancy Pelosi (Pelosi criticized Bush when he has given lip service to the unjust policies of Israel. She has even teamed up with Tom Delay to defend Israeli extremism)

See more here:
http://www.tomjoad.org/Pelosi.htm
Links to speeches Pelosi has given to AIPAC meetings, she absolutely fawns over them.

NOTE: Do not blame me because a Democratic leader is doing this. I wish it were not the case. Please dont delete this message.

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meganmonkey

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Sun Nov-06-05 10:34 PM
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16. Sometimes the truth hurts

but it's worse in the long run if you ignore it.

:shrug:

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Catrina

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Mon Nov-07-05 12:53 AM
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20. Wow! That is stunning news ~

Has she been asked about the Spies in the Pentagon case? About Larry Franklin's guilty plea? And what possible interest could she have in an organization that promotes unnecessary wars? Did she vote for the war and what is her position on it now?

I agree that this is a very important case that has received practically ZERO media coverage. Normally, spies in our government would be headlines!! Not to mention the fact that Larry Franklin was in Italy along with Ledeen during the discovery of the Forged Niger Documents. Who is really running this country, I'm beginning to think there was a real coup d'etat of this entire government.

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meganmonkey

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Mon Nov-07-05 07:45 AM
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22. The more I read about this, the more I see the overlaps

with Treasongate...It's pretty wild. I look forward to seeing how this proceeds....

I am shocked but not surprised (if that makes sense) with Pelosi's relationship tp AIPAC.

Yikes!

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AntiFascist

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:14 PM
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46. Not only do we need to know who are the BFEE.....

we should also be aware of who support the AIPAC. I'm sure they have their place in Washington politics, but they do seem to have way too much influence, ie lobbying power.

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Jim Sagle

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:02 PM
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43. Nancy Pelosi RRRRAWWWWKSSSSS!!!!!!!!

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Gloria

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Sun Nov-06-05 10:02 PM
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15. kick!

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autorank

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Sun Nov-06-05 10:34 PM
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17. More on the IMPORTANT Case--Abandon hope, all who enter here.

Abandon hope, all who enter here.

http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/index.html

Yes folks, this trial, these trials, are taking place in one of the few courts that operates efficiently and on time. It's Federal Court, Eastern District, Virginia (Alexandria). They do things very efficiently and if you're guilty, you're found guilty. This court lacks a nasty agenda, it just grinds out cases.

This is going to rock ouir world. There will be testimony on a number of things of great interest.

And here's more: A Chronology of the Crimes of Franklin...ouch, wouldn't wanna be him!

http://intellit.muskingum.edu/spycases_folder/franklin.html

SPY CASES - UNITED STATES
Lawrence A. Franklin

Materials arranged chronologically.

Graham, Bradley, and Thomas E. Ricks. "FBI Probe Targets Pentagon Official: Analyst Allegedly Gave Data to Israel." Washington Post, 28 Aug. 2004, A1. <http://www.washingtonpost.com>

Government officials said on 27 August 2004 that the FBI "is investigating a mid-level Pentagon official who specializes in Iranian affairs for allegedly passing classified information to Israel.... The name of the person under investigation was not officially released, but two sources identified him as Larry Franklin. He was described as a desk officer in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia Bureau.... Franklin worked at the Defense Intelligence Agency before moving to the Pentagon's policy branch three years ago."

Risen, James. "Pentagon Official Suspected of Giving U.S. Secrets to Israel." New York Times, 28 Aug. 2004. <http://www.nytimes.com>

According to government officials, an FBI espionage investigation is focusing on "an official who works in the office of Douglas Feith, the under secretary of defense for policy.... The F.B.I. has gathered evidence that the official passed classified policy documents to officials at the American Israel Public Affairs Committee,... which in turn provided the information to Israeli intelligence."

etc.

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WiseButAngrySara

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Sun Nov-06-05 10:35 PM
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18. K and R, and will continue to kick this important topic. It's interesting

and scary to look at the AIPAC, JINSA, PNAC and Federalist Society Links. Was Straus really all to blame for this evil cabal?

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EnfantTerrible

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Sun Nov-06-05 11:54 PM
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19. Bed time kick

:kick:

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Wilms

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Mon Nov-07-05 02:52 AM
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21. kick n/t

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EnfantTerrible

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:10 AM
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23. Morning kick

:kick:

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flyarm

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:58 AM
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24. i have been reading everything i can find on this case...kick and thanks

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

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seemslikeadream

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Mon Nov-07-05 09:27 AM
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26. Israel's Mole Inside the Pentagon

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meganmonkey

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Mon Nov-07-05 09:32 AM
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27. Excellent compilation, seemslikeadream

Thanks for posting that! I have some lunchtime reading to do.

:thumbsup:

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flyarm

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Mon Nov-07-05 10:34 AM
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31. ahhhh seemslikeadream..have i told you lately how much...

Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 10:34 AM by flyarm

i love you????????????

i have grabbed this from another post you had your list there..but i think you have considerably added to it...and i just freaking love you!!!

i am staying on top of this..because reading spy books just happens to have been my thing for many many years..not novels..just real life spy stuff..aldrich ames, philby, the walkers, hansen...all the old kgb spys..i have read it all..it intrigues me...
i have read every spy book in existance..so this is my thing!!!

love it..so thanks seemslikeadream..i have read most of the posts here..but you just made my library!!

sending my kindest regards for all you do here at du!!

fly

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texpatriot2004

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Mon Nov-07-05 02:16 PM
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35. Thank you for this great list of links to read nm

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robertpaulsen

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Mon Nov-07-05 04:50 PM
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37. For anyone with AIPAC questions, yours is the ultimate bookmark post.

Thanks seemslikeadream!

:hi:

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Lone_Star_Dem

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Mon Nov-07-05 06:10 PM
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40. Thank you for putting all of those in one place!

Looks like my evening plans are a lot of reading. :)

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niallmac

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Mon Nov-07-05 09:24 AM
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25. Awareness of this topic is wanting.

The complete lack of media attention should be a red flag to me. The media have a way of tipping their hand toward the forbidden fruit. I recall the big negative NewsWeek spread on JFK the movie weeks ahead of its release based only on the script. I new I had to see it!
I will do more reading thanks.

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flying_wahini

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Mon Nov-07-05 09:40 AM
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28. kicked

just get murkier and murkier, doesn't it?:kick:

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Coastie for Truth

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Mon Nov-07-05 10:00 AM
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29. It is APIPAC - American Petroleum Institute PAC

that is the lobbyist for the war.

Some libruls are so friggin dumb. Israel is window dressing for a "Peak Oil Era" "War for Oil".

I am getting tired of leading libruls by the hand--- read (read, contrast, compare, analyze - that's what a LIBERAL arts education is supposed to be all about - but I wouldn't know cause I are a dumb injunear).

Read the - don't just read about PNAC on some blog.

Read the actual issues -- as if they don't have an effective voice in Washington.

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Coastie for Truth

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Mon Nov-07-05 10:06 AM
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30. WARNING

I WILL BE WORKING AT THE PHONE BANK AND WITH PRECINCT WALKERS TODAY TO DEFEAT GUBERNATOR AHNOLD BOOBENGRABBER'S "GROVER NORQUIST WRITTEN" PROPOSITIONS TODAY - AND POLL WATCHING TOMORROW.

I WILL ASSUME THAT "BS" TYPE RESPONSES ARE BY BOOBENGRABBER BACKERS AND BIG OIL SHILLS INTENDED TO DIVERT ME FROM WORKING TO DEFEAT PROPS 73-78.

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dbeach

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Mon Nov-07-05 11:58 AM
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34. norquist is a foreign agent

and needs to register as an Iranian foreign agent

THANX for fighting the double headed dragons

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AntiFascist

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:29 PM
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47. Oh I see....

Edited on Mon Nov-07-05 08:30 PM by AntiFascist

AIPAC would never support a case for war :sarcasm:

http://www.aipac.org/leg-vfc/AIPAC%20Memo%20Iran-Syria%203-9-05.pdf

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earth mom

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Mon Nov-07-05 10:56 AM
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32. Like WOW! Recommended! eom

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katinmn

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Mon Nov-07-05 11:05 AM
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33. There's definately a concerted effort to keep this under wraps

You can't say anything or you are labeled a ....

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Jim Sagle

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:03 PM
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44. bozo?

:shrug:

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Dover

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Mon Nov-07-05 02:37 PM
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36. Yes indeed!

The AIPAC issue needs to be addressed in the FULL LIGHT OF DAY, in open and frequent discussions and in the media.

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QuettaKid

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Mon Nov-07-05 04:58 PM
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38. Kick....

thanks for all the info!!

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meganmonkey

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Mon Nov-07-05 06:01 PM
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39. kick

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Blaze Diem

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Mon Nov-07-05 06:43 PM
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41. "..but it is so BIG and I am so little, sir!"

said the young knight as he took a deep breath and gathered his armor.

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Jim Sagle

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:00 PM
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42. AIPAC RRROOLLZZZZ!!!!!!

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Jim Sagle

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:04 PM
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45. Locking - stupe thread.

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AntiFascist

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:44 PM
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48. On the contrary....

it points to precisely the reason Democrats are so weak.

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Lone_Star_Dem

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Mon Nov-07-05 09:29 PM
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50. Why are you posting juvenile antics?

Your posts look like a preteen ran through the thread.

If this doesn't interest you don't read it. :shrug:

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meganmonkey

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Mon Nov-07-05 10:47 PM
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54. At least the poster is keeping it kicked

so more people can see this important thread :)

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Lone_Star_Dem

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Tue Nov-08-05 09:24 AM
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58. There is that.

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Zhade

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Tue Nov-08-05 04:04 PM
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60. That's Jim "I post at Little Green Footballs" Sagle's M.O.

He always does it whenever that murderer Sharon is rightfully maligned.

It's become something to look forward to, like watching a dog try to do calculus. Bewildering, but hilarious!

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DURHAM D

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Mon Nov-07-05 08:49 PM
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49. I CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH .

Think I will go out and have a couple of cocktails.

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AntiFascist

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Mon Nov-07-05 09:42 PM
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51. I would go so far as to say...

AIPAC does not represent the interests of the people of Israel. It represents the corporate interests that want to rape and pillage the Middle East, placing both Israel and America in harms way! Witness Iran's desire to eliminate Israel entirely.

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callady

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Mon Nov-07-05 10:22 PM
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52. Ledeen-Franklin

Clarridge-Zakheim-Wurmser-Wolfowitz-Libby-Cheney-Cohen-Woolsey-Khalilzad-Feith-Gaffney-Armitage-Abrams-Perle-Carlucci-Weinberger-Rumsfeld-Lieberman-Donnelly

Anyone intersetd in a full ride to U. of Chicago? Or wish for an MBA at Harvard? Or a spot in the Rand or AEI think tanks? Anyone wish to cozy up to the CSIS? Or head the posse at PNAC? Or a position on the Defense Policy Board?

Do you know about NSC 68 written by Paul Nitze?

Are you willing to pull back the curtain?

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AntiFascist

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Mon Nov-07-05 10:38 PM
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53. Shades of "The Power of Nightmares"

http://www.worldhistory.com/wiki/N/NSC-68.htm

Go back even further and you might reveal conspiracy theory plots to play marxism against capitalism. I won't post any links because it might be against new rules against conspiracy theory site postings, then thread gets shut down.

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EnfantTerrible

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Tue Nov-08-05 01:16 AM
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56. Thank you for your restraint.

:smoke:

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dbeach

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Tue Nov-08-05 12:18 AM
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55. chalabi meeting with cheny

one liby indcitment is not gonna stop chenys paln for nuclear war in the ME and if he can do it ignite a nuke or 3 on the USA

Sauron cheny wil be safe in his many bunkers

UChicago grad of the neo-con cesspool of HATE.

chalabi and cheny should each be arrested for espionage and treason

BUT the US Military and Intell agencies have been compromised or are waitng til that Kodak moment.

I am not betting on kodak

http://thinkprogress.org/

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AntiCoup2K4

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Tue Nov-08-05 02:11 AM
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57. If we have to replace 535 people in both houses of congress.....

...in order to rid ourselves of every traitor who put the interests of another country above our own, then so be it.

No tolerance. No excuses. AND NO MORE FOREIGN CITIZENS WORKING IN THE HIGHEST LEVELS OF US GOVERNMENT. I don't give a shit WHAT country they are from.

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Wordie

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Tue Nov-08-05 01:59 PM
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59. Kick...I'd add to the recommendations still if I could. Great Thread!

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callady

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Tue Nov-08-05 10:49 PM
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61. lotsa good stuff here to mull over

:hi:

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Wordie

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Tue Nov-08-05 11:47 PM
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62. I've bookmarked it. eom

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