* administration people who also served in Nixon's administration.

[Skidmore]

Let's list them (include those who.

Wikipedia has this for Cheney: "He served in a number of positions at the Cost of Living Council, at the United States Office of Economic Opportunity (as a special assistant to Donald Rumsfeld beginning in the spring of 1969), and within the White House. Under President Gerald Ford, Cheney became Assistant to the President and the youngest White House Chief of Staff in history. He was campaign manager for Ford's 1976 presidential campaign, while James Baker served as campaign chairman."

Who else was around then?

[Roland99]

1. Here's a good resource...PBS Frontline - Rumsfeld's War

A Ph.D. student at the University of Chicago, Wolfowitz spends the summer working with another student, Richard Perle, and the legendarily hawkish Sen. Henry "Scoop" Jackson (D-Wash.), drafting memos supporting Nixon's anti-ballistic missile treaty.

...

Powell, finishing up his second tour in Vietnam, is now a senior officer. He has come to believe that Defense Secretary Robert MacNamara and the other Pentagon civilians have no understanding of the reality on the ground in Vietnam.

...

Originally assigned to a destroyer off the coast of Vietnam, Armitage has been moved to shore duty by his own request. Just two years out of the Naval Academy, Ensign Armitage finds himself leading and training South Vietnamese ambush units.

...

"One of the ways to get to Don in those days, was to go through Dick. ... We also had Bill Bradley, Christie Todd Whitman, Jim Leach, there were a whole host of people in OEO (Office of Economic Opportunity) in those days. So you had three future secretaries of defense working at the senior level of OEO back in the late 60's.

[Marie26]

3. Doesn't it seem like Scoop Jackson is the missing link?

That name keeps coming up & it seems like almost all the neocons worked for him at one point or another.

[lumpy]

13. Scoop Jackson, a Dem

was rather a liberal in the beginning. Somewhere along the way he went astray, was corrupted by politics or was a failure at playing the political game. Kind of like McCain's weakness. It was eerie how he changed his political view points. He was supportive of the Vietnam war and was considered a hawk by many Dems.

[Roland99]

14. That's how neocons got started...

liberals that were against the anti-war movement. Hawkish liberals. Perhaps the precursors to the DLC?

Anyway, neocons don't necessarily follow a Repub president. They're like remora. They attached themselves to Clinton very easily.

[Marie26]

15. Yeah , I think the traditional definitions

are a little outdated when it comes to this crowd. I definitely think it's possible to be a Democrat and a neo-con. Conversely, Pat Buchanan & Dennis Kuchinich actually have a lot in common on this topic, and both oppose the neocon approach. Maybe "Interventionists" & "Non-interventionists" would be a better description?

[Roland99]

18. Could be. There's much to this war that transcends traditional boundaries.

[Skidmore]

6. I think we need to push this Nixon connection hard.

The nation was rocked by Watergate and people took many years to even begin to put it behind them and these people came back. The nation needs to be reminded and our youth need to learn about the nature of corruption and deceit.

[Roland99]

7. Agree 100%!! BTW, here's a bit more on Perle

U.S. Senate: Staff (1969-1980) (served on the staff of Sen. Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson, the Senate Committee on Government Operations, the Committee on Armed Services, and the Arms Control Subcommittee) (4)

[Marie26]

2. Rummy

worked for Nixon as head of the "Office of Equal Opportunity" - so you can see how he could segue neatly into the Dept. of Defense... Right?

[Roland99]

4. More here:

http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2002/Influential-HawksNYT11sep02.htm

Mr. Wolfowitz and Mr. Libby have a similar close friendship that began in 1973 when Mr. Libby was a student in Mr. Wolfowitz's political science class at Yale. Mr. Libby then worked for Mr. Wolfowitz in the Reagan administration beginning when Mr. Wolfowitz ran the State Department's policy planning office.

Mr. Libby worked again for Mr. Wolfowitz at the Pentagon in the first Bush administration, when Mr. Wolfowitz was undersecretary for policy and Mr. Libby was his deputy.

[Roland99]

5. This goes beyond the Nixon admin but it's one of my FAVORITE PNAC articles

A CounterPunch Special Report

Serving Two Flags

Neo-Cons, Israel and the Bush Administration
http://www.counterpunch.org/green02282004.html

[ms liberty]

8. Don't forget Poppy...

Who was UN Ambassador for Nixon. Somewhere there's video or photos of * sitting with Rummy at the 72 Repuke Convention (it was in Miami that year, I think). Saw it on a documentary.

[Roland99]

9. And when you bring Poppy into the fold, a whole new cast of shadowy...

characters comes onto the stage.

But, I see Skidmore's intention of linking as many people as possible from *this* admin to the Nixon admin. Show them for the repeat offenders they are.

[Skidmore]

19. Exactly and I don't understand why this is not being hammered

on nationally. How could it be pushed up the pecking order to be used?

[Roland99]

10. Another good link would be to those involved in Iran-Contra

and still working for this administration.

[lumpy]

17. Perle, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Wolfowitz,

and their adherents/backers have been involved and a strong influence in our government for many years, but 'the best laid plans of mice and men oft' go astray'. It took time but their plans took root. They need to be exposed and up-rooted.

[Skidmore]

11. How about the media and activists...

like Vigerie and Kristle and those guys?

[Roland99]

12. William Kristol? Of PNAC/Weekly Standard infamy? Check this out >>>

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/William_Kristol

During his second year at Harvard (Kristol was on a special 3-year Harvard program, so referring to him as a sophomore would be misleading), he was known to show up at the Radcliffe campus wearing a Spiro Agnew T-shirt. Kristol didn't particularly like Agnew but he enjoyed prickling the anti-war activists who were still plentiful at that time (1971).

In the fall of 1972, at the beginning of his final year as a Harvard undergraduate, a number of Harvard faculty signed onto an advertisement in the New York Times supporting Nixon's reelection bid. Student radicals at Harvard protested, and a small minority mostly affiliated to the Progressive Labor Party, called for the firing of Harvard professors who publicly supported this "war criminal." During these protests, Kristol provoked an argument with one of its leaders during an evening meal at the Radcliffe campus. The two undergraduates argued for several hours into the evening, Kristol defending the Nixon administration and questioning his opponent's commitment to academic freedom. It is reported that his future wife, Susan Scheinberg, witnessed the spectacle in amazement not at so much at his argumentative ability, but for his audacity. Indeed, Kristol was not even a Nixon supporter. In fact, in the spring of 1972, he had been the Harvard coordinator of Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson's presidential bid.

[Marie26]

20. And Scoop appears again! n/t

[Roland99]

21. I need to do some research on this guy.

[Roland99]

22. Interesting.... >>>

http://www.progressiveindependent.com/shalom/pia/DLC_PNAC.htm

The AEI, the PNAC & the DLC were founded by Scoop Jackson democrats who follow the philosophy of Leo Strauss. To this day the DLC is stacked with neo-conservative ideologues, who maintain deep personal ties to the war-mongers in the Bush Administration.

...

From Jackson's office:
Paul Wolfowitz
Richard Perle
Frank Gaffney

From Moynihan's office:
Elliott Abrams
Abram Shulsky
Gary Schmitt

Why are the feds probing long-dead "Scoop" Jackson?
http://www.pnionline.com/dnblog/extra/archives/001462.html

A bizarre news story out of Washington State has us wondering how far the feds are going in probing the pro-Iraq war neocons and their ties to the Israeli lobby back in D.C. -- and whether some DOD/CIA types are frantically trying to cover their tracks.

Yesterday, a small paper out that way, the Everett Daily-Herald, carried a blockbuster of a story. It reported that a team of five federal agents -- three from the CIA, and one each from the Department of Defense and the the U.S. Department of Engery -- showed up at the University of Washington to search through the archival papers of the late Washington Sen. Henry M. "Scoop" Jackson. (We were alerted to the story off this posting on Daily Kos.)

...

The federal team apparently found what it was looking for, after culling through some 1,200 boxes of Jackson's papers over several days. A library official (who's probably in a heap o' trouble right now for spilling the beans) said that 10 documents were removed and classified as top secret.

The paper doesn't know what the feds were looking for, and neither do we. Given the make-up of the team, including a DOE official, it's always possible there was concern about information related to nuclear weapons (the Hanford nuclear site is in Jackson's home state) getting in the hands of terrorists.

OR, this could be connected to the hottest under-the-radar story inside the Beltway right now, an FBI probe over whether insiders were passing policy secrets regarding Iran to the D.C.-based American Israel Public Affairs Committee, or AIPAC. A Pentagon official named Larry Franklin has been targeted in the probe, but many suspect the investigation goes much deeper into the neo-con movement. Franklin worked for another Pentagon neo-con, Douglas Feith, who was the No. 3 official in the Defense Department but surprised many by abruptly quitting "to spend more time with his family."

I think we know why now!!!

CIA reclassifies Scoop Jackson's records.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/2/15/201851/101

Strange indeed. What in the world could Scoop Jackson have in his records that needs to be scrubbed today? It must have to do with someone currently in the administration, but we're talking about 22 year old records so whatever it is, it must be huge even by today's nonaccountability standards.

CIA seizes Sen. Jackson papers
http://www.heraldnet.com/stories/05/02/15/100loc_jackson001.cfm

Last week the federal document security team spent three days in the special collections division of the UW Suzzallo-Allen library. The officials, which also included people from the Department of Defense and Department of Energy, combed through 1,200 boxes of material using a five-binder index to find the targeted papers.

Carla Rickerson, head of special collections, said the team removed up to 10 documents.

She would not disclose the exact number or subject matter of the documents because of the university's privacy policies.

Rickerson said the papers, now considered classified, are being held in a secure location on campus until federal authorities declassify them.

What are they hiding?!?!

[SoCalDem]

16. Dems in congress left them all off the hook and they all came back

This is why we cannot be "generous to our adversaries".. Watergate and Iran Contra "players" are infecting the White House, like no bird flu could ever..


Stopping short of punsihment is a pet peeve of mine..:



SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Wed Jul-20-05 06:08 AM

Original message

Now we know the true consequences of "going easy" on Iran Contra


Had the Dems (who DID control both houses of congress) pressed harder, and not contented themselves with the idea that GHWB (the wimp) would be easygoing, and inconsequential...well things would be very different now.,

Had Reagan/Bush gotten their just desserts for Iran Contra, and all the dirt been exposed, they would have left office, fully disgraced..GHWB probably would not have even gotten elected..Carter would be held in higher esteem...and There's no way in HELL that *² would have gotten appointed to the white house

The appointments to the SCOTUS that were made by GHWB would have been made by a democrat..Kennedy..Souter..Thomas would not be on the bench, and we would not be facing a right wing court for the foreseeable future.

The democratic party has always hated "piling on", and has been ready to "forgive and forget".

Look at all the key players in this administration.. Almost all of them have their roots in the Iran Contra Days, Grenada, Panama, and many other republican schemes.

We do ourselves and the country a great disservice when we let the "bad guys" off with a slap on the wrist.

republicans have no shame.. they wear their crimes like badges of honor..and like the energizer bunnies, they just keep on coming back..

This is why we cannot let Rove off the hook, and strong language and actions are necessary..

The only thing that republicans DO understand is PUBLIC HUMILIATION, and jail terms.


If you DO wrong, you need to be punished..not just turned out of office to go lick your wounds until next time

[TheGunslinger]

23. Kick.