Early on '08 picks

[Walt Starr]

Poll question: Early on '08 picks

Just testing the waters with some realistic posssibles for the '08 election

[Sparkly]

1. Other: Clark. nt

[Walt Starr]

4. Do you really think he'll be running again?

I'm doubting he's even a potential at this point. I don't think he'll run at all regardless of the support he may have. He'll endorse Hillary is my guess.

[Sparkly]

7. I'm very hopeful of that, yes. nt

[Ilsa]

13. Didn't Clark win a couple of states in the primaries? eom

[Walt Starr]

16. Again, my expectation is he will endorse Hillary early on and won't run

In fact, it is my opinion that the only reason he even got in the game last go around was to insure a Democratic defeat by taking votes away from the only person who stood a chance of defeating the chimp.

Hillary was not ready to run in '04, and it is my opinion that is the ONLY reason Clark got into the thing.

He'll work for Hillary in '08. Mark my words.

[BootinUp]

31. ye old stalking horse meme

really, you should consider going to work for Sean Hannity. :eyes:

[Clark2008]

50. The only reason?

:rofl:

Been reading the right wing blogs, again, I see.

No, dear, Clark entered the race because 30,000 people begged him to.

[mattclearing]

76. FrenchieCat ate me alive for saying that.

Be careful, FC may hear, and then you will never hear the end of it. :D

[Time for change]

69. He won Oklahoma - nothing else

But I don't think that's the main issue.

I don't see why he couldn't be a very viable candidate.

[Dinger]

71. Yes, It's Only One State, But Does Anybody Remember How That Was IGNORED?

It looked like the MSM ignored him - There was one report of a bus getting a speeding ticket in Oklahoma or Ohio, and that was it! Since he won Oklahoma by a small margin, for whatever reason, it got NO recognition till two weeks later. Wes deserved a lot more respect than he got, and to say that the ONLY reason he got into the race in 2004 was to get Dean out is not fair IMO, and I'm trying to be as nice about this as I can. I like Walt's posts - a lot. He's a legendary poster here IMO, and it feels weird to disagree with him. I'm intimidated for my own reasons. Oh well, my 2 cents for the day. Maybe I got this all wrong. (I don't really think that.)

[Time for change]

77. I think that Clark was treated unfairly by the MSM

(Of course that was true of all the Democratic candidates who had any chance of winning.)

I thought that the constant harping on him by whores like Tim Russert to repudiate Michael Moore, for example, was particularly disgusting. If Bush ever received the same treatment from the MSM he wouldn't have gotten 20% of the vote in the general election.

[Texas_Kat]

48. You would be wrong

[mattclearing]

75. I absolutely expect he'll run.

Have you read any of the speeches he's made recently? He's more in campaign mode than Kerry, and that's really saying something.

[YOY]

6. 2nded ( or thirded or whatever)

[dogman]

2. Other: Clark N/T

[Skwmom]

3. Clark. n/t

[TheFarseer]

5. Kucinich is realistic?

and Edwards isn't?

[Walt Starr]

9. REalistic in that I think he'll actually run

Realistic in thqat he'll stay in it through the entire thing.

I don't expect Clark or Edwards to get in it and last very long. Edwards may start, but I don't think he'll even make it to the first primary. I don't expect Clark to start at all. I expect him to endorse Hillary.

[AmericanDream]

20. well then you are lost... Kucinich & Biden will last longer than Edwards?

[Walt Starr]

32. BAsed on prior runs, yes n/t

[iconoclastNYC]

72. Biden's prior runs? n/t

[Ilsa]

8. Wes Clark. You need to start your poll over, IMO to

get a good Clark count.

[Walt Starr]

12. I seriously do not believe Clark will run

I expect him to endorse Hillary.

[Adelante]

38. "I expect him to endorse Hillary."

There, Walt Starr, I said it for you, so you can save your fingers :)

Other: Clark

[waiting for hope]

10. Don't know yet...

Would like to say Warner, but he'll have only one term as governor under his belt (isn't it four years?) and that may not be enough to win a good base over. I could say Edwards, he's been really active in "doing good works"...

[nickshepDEM]

11. Warner, and he's going to win.

The primary and general election!

:headbang:

[Awsi Dooger]

27. Warner will be the nominee

Normally I question our handicapping skills but this one is just so obvious I don't see how we screw it up. The only potential stumbling block is if our voters in New Hampshire and Iowa are gun shy about the "electability" aspect after faultily applying that tag to Kerry and not Edwards in 2004.

Once the campaign heats up in mid-to-late 2007 Warner will be the "in" choice like Dean in 2003 but this time the fundamentals are proper and will be sustainable.

[MercutioATC]

14. Other. No name yet.

I'm waiting for somebody that's remotely interesting.

[jsamuel]

15. DK for Pres!

[Liberal In Texas]

17. Clark. I think he'll run if he sees support out here in the huskings.

(I think that's the word, huskings.)

[Walt Starr]

18. Will you be disappointed if he endorses Clinton early on and does not

run?

That's my prediction. He won't announce and he will endorse Hillary shortly after she announces.

[Sparkly]

22. You invited people to vote "other" and name who they have in mind.

Are you going to post your "prediction" to everyone who says their pick would be Clark?

[LandOLincoln]

23. Horse hockey. I'll bet you $100 that doesn't even come close

to happening.

[Liberal In Texas]

24. You could be right. But who really knows?

I wish he would give it a go again.

I like Hillary on balance, but I fear her electability after the demonization that was done to the Clintons over the years.

But then again, they'll probably swift-boat whoever is the '08 candidate.

[Walt Starr]

33. That's a fact!

No matter who the candidate is, theywill be swiftboated.

[Texas_Kat]

51. You're basing your 'prediction' on the hope that he won't run?

Because you have no information that your 'prediction' has any basis for fact in the real world.

[Walt Starr]

53. Has he been visiting NEw Hampshire?

How about Iowa?

I've heard nothing to indicate he's even considering another run.

[BootinUp]

57. In fact he HAS

visted Iowa recently.

Clark will be in the running, mark it on your calendar.

Oh, if you want to put some money on it, let me know.

[IA_Seth]

58. Yep, he's been here....

And for the record: Clark

[Liberal In Texas]

65. BTW, I hate the primary system. I never got to vote for Clark in '04

because JK had already been decided on in such representative places as IA and NH.

We need another way to pick our nominees.

[IA_Seth]

67. Honestly...

Your issue with not being able to vote for Clark could have been changed A LOT if Clark had decided to campaign here in Iowa. I think Clark's message of a sensible foreign policy and his military background would have done well here. Had he placed in the top 2-3 here things would have been a lot different.

IMO

Oh, and I don't even want to get into the Iowa hatin...I think we should be careful what we wish for. Basically I agree that we need a change, and there should be another, possibly South Western, state included in the early mix...but a large-scale change would hurt more than it would help I think.

[SPKrazy]

19. Wesley Clark 08! n/t

[LandOLincoln]

21. Other: Wes Clark n/t

[leftstreet]

25. Other = Triumph the Insult Comic Dog

These 08 polls are getting stupid. It's like a Lou Dobbs poll that somehow ALWAYS favorably reflects his own views.

Why not just post the perfect DLC poll?

Warner
Warner
Warner
Warner
Warner
Warner
Warner
Warner
Warner
Warner

[Andrea]

26. Al Gore n/t

[Walt Starr]

34. Do you really think he'll run?

I don't.

[Andrea]

41. There have been rumors

I don't know if he will, but I hope. There were statements a few weeks ago from people who know him. I saw them posted here somewhere. I think they were from U.S. News and World Report. Anyway, I really, really wish he would.

[Uncle Joe]

81. I second that, Al Gore. n/t

[Norwood]

28. Other = Clark 08!

[Tinksrival]

29. My other is.......

........CLARK........:7

[hopein08]

30. John Edwards

[lonestarnot]

35. Murtha/Hacket!

[lonestarnot]

36. Boxer/Edwards

[lonestarnot]

37. my dog/ my cat

[lonestarnot]

39. anything but a repuke!

[WI_DEM]

40. I decided to vote for one of the people on your list rather than "other"

and of the people on your list I think Mark Warner may be the most interesting. He would be new and exciting, kind of like when Jimmy Carter first came on the national scene. Also, voters seem to prefer Governors to Senators. I love Feingold, but I'm not sure he would win a national campaign. The only thing I worry about is he only has one term as Governor as experience, but then that is all Carter had too.

[meow mix]

42. Clark ty (stalker meme! i know your still jaded from years ago)

R O F UKCING L

[Ravenseye]

43. Other: Clark

My prediction is that of all the people on that list, they'll end up all supporting only one of the people on that list, or they'll all support one person off that list.

[KharmaTrain]

44. Wake Me Up In late 2007...

How many people here knew of Howard Dean in November, 2001? Honestly. I'll bet there are a lot here who had no clue who Wesley Clark or even Dennis Kucinich was. And who were the front-runners then? Liebermann? Sure wasn't how things looked in November, 2003.

I know there's campaigning already going on here, and I find it amusing, but to trying to handicap an election 3 years away is like trying to predict that year's World Series winner. In the meantime, I'll stay amused with all the "my candidate is better than yours" game that constantly plays here.

[Junkdrawer]

45. Al Gore always cleans clocks when is name is included on the list...

I find it interesting that his name was excluded.... :think:

[dogday]

46. Murtha For President---END THE WAR NOW!

he is the only one who speaks for me...

[Texas_Kat]

47. Other -- Clark

Never count the General out

[Clark2008]

49. Other: Clark

Why is he being left off all these DU polls?

Are we becoming the corporate media in our attempts to ignore the biggest grassroots candidate?

Just wondering.

[Pithy Cherub]

52. Other = Clark.

[WA98296]

54. Wes Clark

[DemExpat]

55. I'd like Clark to run.

:D

DemEx

[LWolf]

56. Kucinich.

Any time he runs, I'll be there.

I don't have much interest in the other choices, or the "others," either. Give me another candidate with the integrity, consistency, courage, insight, and willingness to fight for:

universal single-payer not-for-profit health care
campaign/election reform
a department of peace
universal preschool- college for all
no more nafta cafta, withdrawal from wto
environmental responsibility
federal budget invested into public infrastructure rather than foreign wars

I'll get enthusiastic. Until then, Dennis is my sole choice.

[lonestarnot]

61. Yep like him tooooooooo!

[BANGARANG]

59. Clark n/t

[Sugarcoated]

62. I'm hoping Clark will run

Maybe Clark/Murtha? Clark and anybody.

[DefenseLawyer]

60. Mr. Gore

If he wants it he has my money and my vote.

[KoKo]

63. I picked "NoOne." I'd like Gore to run...but there's no one else I can

support at this point. It's too early and none of your choices do anything for me.

[ThomWV]

64. Al Gore - Our Once and Future Presidnet

He is a proven winner who has only got better in the last 5 years.

[Warren DeMontague]

66. AL GORE

That's All I'm Gonna Say About That.

[Time for change]

68. Edwards, Clark, Boxer would be my first picks as of this time

I'm surprised you didn't mention any of them.

[maximovich]

70. Bernie Sanders and Wesley Clark

[OnionPatch]

74. Oooo, now that's a combo I'd like to see!

I love both of those guys. But I'd like to see it Clark/Sanders, not the other way around.

[maximovich]

78. They Mighty Compliment Eack Other Well (nt)

[Xenotime]

73. hopefully john kerry will get re-elected...

because * stole this one. he shouldn't be president.

[Nashyra]

79. Other-Clark

He is busy helping turn America Blue, backing and campaigning for candidates for the 2006 election. My hope is for clark to run again, he's the real deal and no I do not think he will back Hillary early.

got to get back to the work he asked his supporters to do. WORK ON 2006 TO TURN CONGRESS BLUE.

[Xenotime]

80. interesting approach

[joanski0]

82. Other: Wes Clark. n/t

[Mobius]

83. WESLEY CLARK

A slanted poll bleh :spank:

[DesertRat]

84. Boxer n/t

[TroubleMan]

85. Kucinich all the way

nt.

[PhilipShore]

86. Peace and Prosperity with Clark

[MarsThe Cat]

87. if you want choices to be realistic- why is kucinich on the list..?

his chances are slim and none...and slim left town awhile ago.

[yurbud]

88. I can't believe BIDEN has a vote. he should have negative numbers

[yurbud]

89. Here's a thought: look at what people said in '02 & '03

when Bush was most popular. Did they stand up for the truth when it wasn't popular?

While that might not be the politically "smart" thing to do, it shows they won't betray us in the clinch like most of the so-called leaders you mentioned.

[yurbud]

90. Conyers, McKinney, Wexler