This PISSES me off - PLEASE put me in touch with this creep

[im10ashus]

I am online in a gay chat room (all innocent chat with friends on the West coast, I assure you) when some creep IM's me with a picture of Jesus and tells me how my "homosexual ways are sending me straight to hell" and I was like :wow:.

His profile showed me he was from Vatican City. Yeah! Right! The moderators removed him as soon as I brought this to their attention.

First: I believe spirituality should be a private issue and NOT the business of someone else, regardless of their beliefs.

Second: If I want some good old fashioned homosexual bashing, I will go back home to Indiana. Until then, leave me the hell alone here in NYC and don't tell me your life is superior to mine.

When I responded that I have no association with the Christian belief or it's supposed denigration of my "life style" I was told I was being angry and needed the help of the Lord.

I would LOVE to get in touch with this sick ticket and tell them exactly what I find wrong with these bible thumpers who feel it's okay to condemn other people for their "life style choices" and that they are no better than the radical jihadists in their fundamental beliefs. As if I would have "chosen" to be attacked all my life for simply living my life as who I am.

Well, here is the link that was graciously provided to me by this most likely closeted person.

http://www.scripturecatholic.com/

and here is the owner of the website.



http://www.scripturecatholic.com/john_salza.html

Of course there's no way of contacting them other than via email. I would rather get them on the phone and let them know exactly how I feel about being condemned from the Christian-right for far too long. Anyone hear of this cat?

[stepnw1f]

1. You Know What's More Telling?

Is that they seeked you out....

I'd say they were obsessive self-loathing sexually frustrated stalkers. They hide behind the bible.

[im10ashus]

2. Oh yes.

Agreed wholeheartedly. But now I want to tell him/her/it in person that I don't need to hide behind a keyboard to "preach" MY message. Which would involve NOT preaching to others. I am just incensed.

[stepnw1f]

3. Hats Off...

I hope you get that chance....

[kiraboo]

4. I can understand your anger. It seems like there is no place

where one can escape the judgement of these self-appointed guardians of truth and morality, is there? But I wonder what you might accomplish by contacting somebody who obviously believes that his God smiles more broadly upon him when he shoves his unwanted message in your face. I married into a family of these nutcases,and one thing has become clear over the years: anything you say will be considered proof of your sinful nature, while everything they say brings them a step closer to their glorious reward. In other words, your indignation is their spiritual food. Why feed the wolves? Again, though, I truly empathize with you!

[im10ashus]

5. So I can have a real conversation.

I want to hear his/her/its arguments for what gives them the right to condemn other people when there are so many passages in their "bible" that talks about modesty, praying alone, and not condemning others. I don't go around preaching about the gay lifestyle. What gives them the right to do so to me and others? AND in a gay forum?

[oregonjen]

9. I consider these people cultists

They are brainwashed to "spread the word" and they cannot reason. They just hurl out what they have been told and cannot think on their own. So, even if you did have a discussion with one of them, it would go nowhere. It's like religious freaks going door to door trying to hurl their message to anyone who will listen. It's sick and twisted and I will not even listen to them when they approach my doorstep. I'm sorry that you have been bothered by them.

[im10ashus]

11. You are right.

Maybe after my engine cools a little I will not be so pissed. But 5 minutes on even a phone with this asshole would make my year.

[kiraboo]

82. Obviously they have no right; you don't even have to ask them that

question! But I still think you are going to give them an opportunity to feel holier-than-thou, and you will get no satisfaction. At least, this has been my experience time after time. But if it makes you feel better, by all means do what you must!

[Catherine Vincent]

6. How rude!

I would have ignored it. Wouldn't have given him/her the satisfaction of responding.

[im10ashus]

8. I tried.

But there comes a time in one's life where one must stop cowering in a corner and come out swinging. I am not going to stop being who I am because someone thinks I should be different. I have pretty much had it with the religious-right and their pushing their beliefs onto me and my people. I understand what you are saying, but with all due respect, the gloves have come off and the hair has come down.

[Clark2008]

45. OT: But is that the edacious Mr. Fitz when he was younger?

Cute!!


And, to the OP: don't bother. I know it would make you feel better, but that guy is so brainwashed - hell, he followed you on a site - he's unreachable. Either that or he secretly wants to come out of the Lord's closet.

[Catherine Vincent]

51. Yes it is. Wasn't he a cutey?

[Harper_is_Bush]

7. Would there be a poinet, other than making you feel better?

I mean, that poster and his like minded pals won't change thier minds on the matter.

And you weren't in NYC, you were on the internet! :)

[im10ashus]

10. Maybe that's all I want.

Is to feel better. NOT! I am pretty certain that there is only so much crap one can take before one has had enough with this proselytizing. I don't see the Jewish religion being shoved down our throats. Why is it that Christian people feel it's okay to shove their religion down our throat?

[Harper_is_Bush]

15. He was targetting you because you're gay.

Jewish fundamentalists are just as motivated against gays. I don't know if they search them out on the internet to bully and evangelize to them, but they can worse in other ways:

http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/?feed=TopNews&article=UPI-1-20050630-20275100-bc-israel-gays.xml

[Hekate]

74. Jewish fundies are really only interested in reaching other Jews...

...and leave everybody else alone. At least that's been my experience.

Judaism is not a religion that goes out of its way to convert people who were not born Jewish. Usually people who convert do so because of marriage, and it's not all that simple to do.

Fundamentalism by its very nature is rigid, though, and harsh on those who won't or can't conform -- whether Christian, Jewish, or Muslim.

As for the DUer who started this thread -- give yourself a day or two to cool off. It's a good thing to come to DU. You have lots of friends here.

As for tracking someone down for a personal confrontation -- I don't know if anyone has mentioned safety yet, but it might not be safe to do that. If you can find your wingnut, he can find you too.

Hekate

[Harper_is_Bush]

80. Well, in my link two posts above we have violence from them...

Besides the 1 guy who stabbed several people in the gay parade, there were 200 Jewish protesters against the gay parade.

They apparently have a problem every year over this and it's a big political issue.

Here's a better article on the circumstances than the last one.
http://www.glbtjews.org/article.php3?id_article=188

[Name removed]

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[im10ashus]

13. You, my friend, are my hero.

:yourock:

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[Vanje]

34. From John Salza's online resume

Hobbies
Evangelization (speaking, writing, radio, Internet)
Scripture, Church Fathers, Liturgy, and Canon Law
Traveling with family
Playing golf
Classical music
Cruising gay websites in search of "converts"
Wine tasting - favorites include:
Reds: Bordeaux, Burgundy/Pinot Noir, Zinfandel, Brunello, Barolo, Amarone

Whites: Riesling, Gewurztraminer, and Chenin Blanc

Dessert: Champagne, Port, and Madeira


~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Okay. I added the part about cruising gay websites.

But its TRUE!

John Salza cruises gay websites.

[Fridays Child]

38. Excellent point! Maybe he has an approach-avoidance conflict...

...a frustrated, unquenched desire to taste "the love that dare not speak its name."

[im10ashus]

41. BWAHAHAHAHA!

That's the laugh I needed. Thanks! :-)

[Vanje]

44. Cruising gay chat rooms.....

....for Jesus!

[Fridays Child]

49. WWJC

Where would Jesus cruise? Hmm?

[Stephanie]

54. you left out the rest of the info that he has FREELY POSTED ON THE WEB >

I think it would be possible to locate him and initiate a dialogue. Mostly these people are not inclined to listen. Dialogue to them is a one way street. But I know you when you're mad and I think you could get him to pay attention, im10ashus! Also , why do they call themselves apologists? That's hysterical!




http://www.scripturecatholic.com/john_salza.html

John Salza
Catholic Apologist, Author and Creator of ScriptureCatholic.com


Statistics

* Birthdate: 30 November 1967
* Baptismal Date: 7 January 1968
* Birthplace: Colorado Springs, CO
* Marital status: Married with three children

Education and Honors

* University of Wisconsin Law School (Cum Laude)
* University of Wisconsin - Milwaukee (Magna Cum Laude)
* Phi Beta Kappa
* Languages: Italian; some Greek and Latin

Organizations and Activities

* American Catholic Lawyers Association, Inc.
* Wisconsin Bar Association
* National Italian-American Bar Association
* Justinian Lawyer's Society
* Saint Thomas Moore Lawyer's Society
* Order of the Sons of Italy
* Saint Joseph's Society

Hobbies

* Evangelization (speaking, writing, radio, Internet)
* Scripture, Church Fathers, Liturgy, and Canon Law
* Traveling with family
* Playing golf
* Classical music
* Wine tasting - favorites include:

Reds: Bordeaux, Burgundy/Pinot Noir, Zinfandel, Brunello, Barolo, Amarone

Whites: Riesling, Gewurztraminer, and Chenin Blanc

Dessert: Champagne, Port, and Madeira

[motuna]

14. ??

Edited..

[im10ashus]

17. I am not sure why you would even suggest that.

I don't want to hurt anyone. Not in the slightest. Please tell my you are not a "fundy" too! I can't bear beating back two of you in one day. I mean, you have ONE post and it's suggestion is to shoot someone? What the hell kind of logic is that?

[motuna]

18. heh

sarcastic????

[im10ashus]

20. I am not even sure I want to respond to you.

It's not, I am sure, just ironic that you show up here now. All that aside, how would violence solve the issue? I am sure that my words are all need to deal with such ignorance. Violence is for repugs and people who know they are wrong. Are you a repug? Answer me that question and then I will know what level this playing field is currently on. Thanks!

[Catherine Vincent]

19. Are those girls pregnant?

[motuna]

21. might be

maybe so, you never know with kids now and days.

[im10ashus]

23. ????

What in hell are you doing here? Are you seriously trying to fly under the radar? It's not working. You are starting to work my last nerve.

[Mr_Spock]

39. "never know with kids now and days."

What sort of language is that? Swahili?

[Norquist Nemesis]

57. Need more information. Since you edited

your post, it's hard to tell what position you're coming from. But, I'd lay odds it's not from the DU tilt. :shrug:

[im10ashus]

22. LMAO!

Or at least having their monthly bloating. I am not sure who this character is that posted that picture. But DAMN! Get a grip. Violence is solving how many problems in this world? I am an expert marksmen, trained in the U.S. Army. I would never send children to do my job if that's how I chose to handle a situation. But I am SO not that person.

[blonndee]

25. That picture and post was totally irrelevant to your topic.

Too creepy. :wtf:

[im10ashus]

28. I know.

Me thinks that I am being stalked by some freeper from a few weeks ago. Is it possible?

[Catherine Vincent]

52. I wasn't trying to be funny but when I first looked at the photo

every last one of them, except for the one girl and the guy in the front, looked about three months pregnant. I guess they were just a little chubby around the middle.

[im10ashus]

59. They are your typical farm-fed freaks.

Too much corn and carbs and not enough exercise.

[kliljedahl]

27. So why did you remove

the photo of all the people with guns? Trying to stir something up?

[im10ashus]

29. Good point.

I didn't notice it had been removed. A change of conscience? Well, they couldn't be a repuke if they had a conscience, so what then?

[kliljedahl]

30. I'm thinking a "drive by"

Post something inflammatory, get a screen shot of it & take it back to freeperland. Proof of how "wacko" we are.

[im10ashus]

32. I guess that's how they get their jollies.

It falls right under that category of "get a freaking life" in my world.

[lonestarnot]

46. Why can't these fucking freaks mind their own fucking business!

[im10ashus]

47. I suspect they are still questioning their own sexuality.

But that's just my opinion and I would never push my theories onto someone else. :-)

[lonestarnot]

48. Just like busybodies, a pst pst here and a pst pst there and a pst pst

sniff sniff and yackety yack just to hear themselves talk and feel good about it.

[roguevalley]

24. you might want to ask them what 'straight' men are doing cruising

gay chat rooms. the wankers. Hugs to you, honey. get him!

[im10ashus]

26. Awww!

:hug: to you too! It's not easy being green, er, I mean gay! :-)

[roguevalley]

31. no but you are loved. we have to love each other or what else is

there, honey?

[Nitrogenica]

33. I wonder if there is a connection to the church involved in this?

http://www.jsonline.com/news/brookfield_shooting/

Terry Ratzman was from New Berlin

[Bouncy Ball]

35. Just tell people like that

this:

"Jesus told ME that it's not him telling you things, but a DEMON, so you better repent because you've been listening to the devil and if you keep it up, well, Jesus told me you'll be going to hell for listening to a hateful devil and not the Prince of Peace!

God bless! Hey, what's your phone number?"

[Name removed]

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[im10ashus]

42. Thanks, Big Sean!

I only get voicemail when I call. But I now at least have a lead. Many thanks!

[Bouncy Ball]

37. Oh btw, it's high-tech harrassment.

They also love to harrass atheists online.

Fuck 'em. Who cares what they think? It's not their job to stand in judgement and when they do, they are acting very un-Christian.

[NoPasaran]

40. Explaining things won't get your point across

Nearly as well as a good old fashioned knuckle sandwich.

[im10ashus]

43. If only.

If only!

[madrchsod]

50. why bother engaging someone like this?

i know people like this piss you off but it seems life is to dam short to worry about what these scumbags think. i used to get pissed off about simliar shit like that but after my heart attack i realized life is to short to waste on these people. my time and energy is best used with and for the people i love and people who need my help

[Fridays Child]

53. Send him...

...here.

[im10ashus]

62. OMFG!

That is brilliant!

:rofl:

Thanks!

[Stephanie]

55. John Salza is a published AUTHOR

He seems to be a career-Catholic nutjob. With some kind of onlne radio show or lectures? Do you think he is personally harrassing people online, or is it one of his devotees?

_____________

http://www.catholicshopper.com/products/books_spring_2005_page01.html

The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith
$13.95
By John Salza. There's a misconception that the Catholic Church "made up" a lot of its teachings. That much of what Catholics believe has no foundation in Scripture.

How do you debunk that myth if you're a devout Catholic but your knowledge of Scripture is spotty? How do you get to the truth if you're a fervent non-Catholic but your understanding of Catholic Church teaching is shaky? (How do you do that if it's downright inaccurate?)

The Biblical Basis for the Catholic Faith is written for both audiences. In a non-confrontational manner, author John Salza quotes only from the Bible to explain the basic doctrine of the Catholic Church. Chapter after chapter focuses on doctrinal "hot spots" including sola Scriptura, Tradition, papal infallibility, the seven sacraments, Mary and the saints, justification, salvation, and purgatory.

Here is a book that not only proves that the Catholic Faith is Biblical, but also that Catholicism is Bible Christianity par excellence. Here is a book that makes a thoughtful and welcome gift for a family member or friend who has questions about the Catholic Church.

256 pages, paperback, Our Sunday Visitor Spring 2005.
__________________

http://www.catholic.com/radio/calive.asp?date=5/1/2001

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Are Catholics Free 2 B Masons?
John Salza
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[im10ashus]

58. WOW!

Even more funde-MENTAL than I first suspected. He hasn't heard anything yet. I have his contact information. Thanks for the info!

Me
xoxo

[im10ashus]

61. It COULD be one of his whack job people stalking online.

But who knows. It was quite the little profile they put together too. Replete with the pictures of Jesus and the Virgin Mother. It was quite disturbing to be singled out and harassed in such an overt manner. Thank god the mods there are as attentive as here. I was so incensed. It's not enough that I had to grow up with that mentality. Moving from Indiana wasn't enough I guess.

[Stephanie]

64. it could

I found a chat forum when I was searching his name www.phatmass.com - i'm sure there are more - this one looks geared to kids

[im10ashus]

65. That's frightening.

I wonder how they would like if I came stalking on their website.

:evilgrin:

[im10ashus]

66. OH!

By the way. Syriana is a MUST see. I am still trying to digest it all. WOW!

[NMMNG]

56. Damn I hate fundies/christo-fascists

I wonder how many of them are patrolling chat rooms for divorcees and telling them how sinful they are? Effing hypocrites. :mad:

The problem is that in our current political climate these scum have all of the financial and social support they need to keep up their evil behavior. Until the liberal Christians, people of other faiths and non-religious rise up against them en-masse they will continue to grow bolder and more dangerous.

[im10ashus]

60. I agree, Buffy.

My mom is a liberal Christian and a deaconess of her church. The same church where I was baptized in what seems like an eternity ago. She would NEVER pretend to tell someone how to live their life. She is as accepting of me and my partner as she is any of her children. So I know there's still hope. Albeit a glimmer, but hope.

[Hekate]

75. You have a wonderful Mom, then

I'm so glad for that -- it sounds like she gave you the basis you need for a healthy belief in yourself.

Hekate

[FreedomAngel82]

63. What a rude person

I'm sorry this guy bothered you. I'm Christian and I would never think of bothering someone like that. This guy was just looking for trouble it seems. He obviously just cares more about website hits or whatever instead of saving people. And to me when people bother you like that it is a turn off.

[im10ashus]

67. Yeah.

I was raised as a Christian. And although I don't follow that dogma anymore, I am normally respectful of other people's faith and beliefs. I for one don't feel I need to be saved from anything or by anyone. :-)

[NuttyFluffers]

68. dude is seriously pinging off the charts! total gay face

is that seriously him? i'd expect another total ganon/guckert thing here. i'm getting nipple clamp fetishist vibe, with an unhealthy outlook on BDSM foreplay.

think his safeword is "Jesus!"? nah, probably doesn't believe in safety words -- it'd be too close to contraception and would kill off the unborn or some stupid shit.

[im10ashus]

69. I thought I had laughed hard enough.

And then you come along. :rofl:

Seriously. You are right on with your observation. Nipple clamps indeed. I would almost suspect one of those little cilice things that Asscroft wears.

[NuttyFluffers]

72. well, i guess so close to advent one must purgate for the coming...

one needs a clean, and apparently chafed raw, slate when turning tricks for the 'coming of baby jesus'... or whatever the altar-ed boys are calling it now in that abbatoir this closeted freak calls his 'confessional room.'

hey, i was raised catholic, i get a special dispensation to talk like this. you get a laminated card and everything. they have this nifty long word on mine, let's see, h-e-r-e-t-i-c...

[Fescue4u]

70. Sounds like you were already in touch with him.

Your best opportunity to talk with him has passed.

Next time one of these guys does this, say "yea, Id like to chat with you about this...can we discuss via phone?"...then let'm have it.

Unless it was a hit and run of course, but I didnt get that impression.

[im10ashus]

71. Yeah.

In fact, it happened so quickly, I barely had time to pick my jaw up off the floor. I mean, it's one thing to be singled out in my daily life; it's quite another to be singled out in a gay chat room.

Nothing like having the face of Jesus suddenly appear on your laptop out of nowhere with the message of hate attached. Pretty bizarre in my experience. I was just glad the "moran" was kind enough to send his website address before the mods stepped in.

[EFerrari]

73. If you decide on an action, please let me know, im10ashus.

My current thinking is to confront hate speech every time.

[im10ashus]

76. Ditto for me sfexpat2000.

It's a strength I have that people close to me have come to admire. I don't put up with BS lightly. Not especially from a complete stranger.

[EFerrari]

77. Hate speech has thoroughly infected public discourse.

And, the haters have become emboldened. We've got to get cracking on this. I swear, set up a "Countering Hate Speech" seminar at the Learning Annex or something. :nuke:

[im10ashus]

78. It's must be addressed immediately when hate is spoken.

My friend Jon in San Fran taught me something a few years ago. We were living in Chicago at the time and someone rode by on a bike just as we were kissing each other goodbye on the cheek. This bike calls us "fags" and Jon says "Yep, big ones." I thought it was wonderful. I've had the displeasure of having to use it twice since that wonderful day. Once more in Chicago and once here in NYC.

Now, if two men were kissing each other goodbye on the cheek in Europe, nobody would think twice about it. These two are friends or acquaintances who are saying hello or goodbye. My Euro friends, all of them straight, ALWAYS greet me with a kiss. I am not sure why we American's have so much resentment toward people who are different from us. It goes the same for race, class, social status and religion. We are this very young country with so much to learn.

[zanne]

79. And they call it "religious freedom".

It's more like "religious intimidation".

[Chovexani]

81. Sounds like a representative of BASH

http://www.bettybowers.com/bash.html

[Orrex]

83. If your homosexual ways are sending you to hell...

Then I have to say that you're missing out on lots of other sinful opportunities.

Clearly you're not trying hard enough, if all they've got on you is the old "thou shalt not offend homophobic zealots" line.

Eat some shellfish, or shake hands with a menstruating woman. That'll really set them off.