O'reilly's use of the word "FASCISM" MUST STOP~! Please Read

[CrackpotAmerica]

I am getting sick and tired of hearing people like O'reilly and Coulter MISUSING AND MISREPRESENTING WORDS LIKE FASCISM, ETC!

On every single occasion I have heard these two clowns (and others) wage an idiotic attempt to classify liberals as "Fascist," or "Gerbils-esque." Further, dismissing our oppopsition as "Nazi" or "Fascist" Propaganda.


The fact is, they are COMPLETELY WRONG on this issue and they know it. And so, this morning, I decided to make a quick chart that defines the TRUE and CORRECT DEFINITIONS of these words.

Please recognize the importance of this issue as it is a primary element of their own Fascism and Fascist methods. Additionally, as we all well know, it is difficult for the average, every day, FOX News watching, "mainstream" Joe or Sally to be objective about these things. In fact, I would argue that if you were to strike up a conversation about it with one of these people, they would be unable to disinguish between the two, and therefore, O'reilly and his ilk gain leverage by exploiting their ignorance.


I ask that on every occasion you hear this tactic being used, please send a message of complaint to whomever tried to use it.

If you like, send this chart along with you......

THX!

[goddess40]

1. He like the rest of his kind are trying to shove their sin on others

It is the typical republican elite MO. They do something nasty and then try to defuse the blame by pointing fingers at others.

[TheFarseer]

2. I'm constantly amazed at how

A verbal reprimand directed at O'Reilly from someone who has no power over O'Rielly constitutes "fascism" O'Reilly verbally reprimands people all the time. Is that not also fascism by his definition? Of course neither of these is actually fascism. If Mr. O'Reilly was put in prison because of his comments, THAT would be fascism.

[CrackpotAmerica]

6. That is Institutional Fascism- Which is one step away from this.

When the brown shirts were subverting the media, threatening and scaring people into conformity, and merging corporations toward what would wind up being the state, that was Fascism before the Fascist State.

[Cassandra]

3. Actually, I think of your chart...

as more circular, with the left wingnuts and the right wingnuts standing back to back. If they look behind at each other, they see the same dictatorial impulses, although the details of awfulness might differ.

[Canuckistanian]

13. Good point

Some of them never move towards the middle, they just do a 180 degree turn.

This is the original definition of "Neocon", as exemplified by Bill Kristol. In college, he was a Marxist/Stalinist. Now, he's a fascist PNACer.

That's why these guys are so nuts. They don't understand moderation.

[Loonman]

4. Ann coulter goes on and on about liberal "hate speech"

Then in the next breath she says the most vile and disgusting things about Democrats and liberals. She's a waste of oxygen.

[Boo_Radley]

5. Nice chart.

I like that chart. If you don't mind, I'm going to use it.

And reply 1 is correct. They immediately blame "the left" for whatever they do. It's childish, but predictable. Listening to someone like Ann Coulter call people "hateful" or "childish", or O'Reilly calling people "fascist" or talking about them "smearing" political opponents, or accusing them of "propaganda" pretty much demonstrates that. They describe their own flaws, but attribute them to the Evil Other. It's pathetic and creepy.

[CrackpotAmerica]

7. Please Do. NT

[Felix Mala]

8. "But Hitler started the national SOCIALIST party..."

Every time one of those pea brains comes out with that, I want to change the channel. It goes along with: "The word 'privacy' isn't anywhere in the Constitution."

[CrackpotAmerica]

Think more about Benito Mussolini here...

And the methods he used and Hitler later adopted, which led to Institutional Fascism.

[progdonkey]

14. my usual reply...

right, so the People's Democratic Republic of North Korea is obviously a republic where democracy reigns and the people are free.
:eyes:

[CrackpotAmerica]

21. Thank You! NT

[msu2ba]

25. my reply

is that Saddam was protected by his Republican Guard. Hits a little closer to home for the rubes.

[Boo_Radley]

32. Lightning bugs

I like to go with something like: Yep! National Socialism is socialism just like lightning bugs are made out of lightning!

[KharmaTrain]

9. Right Is Left...Old Cold War Game

The concept isn't if Fascism is right wing or not but rather the totalitarian nature of its system. You can have a dictatorship of the right or left that eliminates personal liberties...but it's the totalitarian nature that gives it teeth. This is where the problem lies. Also, this word now has been so abused, it's meaning has been long lost and fully misunderstood.

Sadly, most schools teach World War II and the rise of European fascists in a quick summary, if at all, and makes it seem like it was a temporary insanity...something that really never existed before and hasn't since. Instead we deal with a distorted and contorted definition that has been bantered around for decades by many different political and partisan groups to demonize their opponents.

I used to debate in the 80's that the Soviets were not "leftist"...considering they were using repressive techniques of a right wing dictatorship. Supposedly, the left wing "nirvana" would have eliminated the need for such a represssive state as the worker's paradise would be enough to drive the system. Yeah, we all have our naive moments. Point is, it's perspective...and your point should be more along the lines of extremism in any form (I know it's Goldwater...but it really fits here) are NOT a virtue.

I laughed when I heard O'Reilly throw out the fascist label. My 18-year old son was offended. He felt he was attacked personally...while I saw through O'Reilly's bullshit and his chain pulling. I'm getting more convinced that a lot of what O'Reilly is doing these days is pure bullshit...purely show. If he believes some of this stuff he says, it's just a coincidence. He sees that every time he stirs up the pot...hits the left wing buttons, his ratings go up or stay strong. The guy's a goon...he's no fool.

[rucky]

10. Communism is beyond the range of rationalism?

I better get checked out.

Just because it got screwed up in practice doesn't mean it isn't a viable economic model.

[Loonman]

11. Elimination of the privileged class

Is one of communism's stated goals, but never in practice. Communism does not work, it is against the individual and depends on a monolithic state.

[CrackpotAmerica]

12. In terms of Leninist/Stalinist Communism, yes.

Choose the word I should use, please:

"Leninist, Stalinist Communism"

or

"Totalitarian Communism"

In terms of Pure Marxism, no. However, Pure Marxism, pure anything is dystopic in nature.

I shall update the chart to reflect that...

Thx.

[rucky]

17. I'd put anarchy at the other end

Communism is an economic system, and it's only been attempted under fascist-type governments. Kind of an apples/oranges comparison to facism.

[CrackpotAmerica]

20. That is Incorrect

Also, they are not and are NEVER the same.

They are polar opposites.

Totalitarianism is the end point of either. Also, methods of implementing either are similar, but those only similarities.

Example:

A shark and a tiger are preditors alike, thus, the end point is eating prey with the mouth.

Both have jagged teeth.

Both sense wounded prey.

Both smell blood.

Both have speed and the stealth.

However, they have diametric social and environmental differences.

[rogerashton]

15. Fascism

was a movement of small businessmen and small proprietors, squeezed from above by corporations and from below by workers, to use bully-tactics in politics to restore a predominance free-market ideologies had promised them but not delivered. Let's see, who does that fit? The rank and file of Italian fascism were the "squadristi," bully-boys in pickup trucks who terrorized anyone they disagreed with. Hm, pickup trucks.

Of course, the rank and file lost out -- when Mussolini and Hitler got into power the big corporate capitalists bought them up like distressed merchandise, and the squadristi and "fierce German grocers" got to do the dying in Ethiopia and the Ukraine.

But I don't buy that extreme ideas have to be beyond reason. Indeed moderation often rests firmly on making logical compromises, i.e. affirming contradictory beliefs -- that cannot be stable or practical, and I think many of the real failures of "liberalism" reflect this kind of fallacy.

[CrackpotAmerica]

23. The APPLICATION of Extreme Ideas as a Mandate. .

Is the danger...

We all have delusions that support our own version of utopia. There is nothing wrong with that as it is human nature. However, to dismiss opposing views in order to dictate your utopian ideas is dangerous.

That is why we must try to reach a moral and dignified consensus in political struggles.

Even the feudal Kings had to concede to the church and nobles, and at last, the peasantry, who liberated themselves.

[rogerashton]

29. I just don't follow that.

Can you tell me reasons why you think extreme ideas are dangerous? What do you mean "as a mandate?"

Is the world flat or is it round? The moderate view, so far as I can see, is that there is truth in both views -- yes, it really is flat, but sort of round, too -- but that makes no sense, and the truth is the extreme view that the world is not only not flat, but not quite round, either -- an irregular ellipsoid of rotation.

[rogerashton]

16. Dupe! Sorry

[glitch]

18. I have a simplistic phrase that usually gets the point across:

It's fascism whether corporations own the government(far right) or the government owns the corporations(far left) doesn't really matter - they are the same people.

[CrackpotAmerica]

22. The methods may be the same, but they are 2 separate ideologies. NT

[glitch]

27. Whatever idealogy it takes to rationalize looting of the commons. nt

[mahatmakanejeeves]

19. Gerbils?

I think you mean....

[Marr]

24. Any political chart that outines a 'limit of rational thought' is not very

helpful, IMHO.

Really- how can anyone say 'thought beyond this boundary is dellusional"? Talk about ideological control. It reminds me of those "Liberalism is a Mental Disease" bumper stickers- you know?

[CrackpotAmerica]

26. "Delusional" is not meant to be evil...

It is meant to imply the beginnings and the extremes of mixing utopian thought with rational thought (as I said earlier, it is a natural component of human nature.)

Communism and Fascism represent the APPLICATION of pure utopian thought.

[screembloodymurder]

28. The only logical explanation for the Republican thought process

is that they are actually reptilians from another planet. They are here to destroy us all.

[Kansas Wyatt]

30. The Reich Wing attacks it's opponent, by accusing them...

Of what they are guilty of or what they are guilty of doing.

It's REPUBLICAN PROPAGANDA: 101

Best case scenario, the public assumes the Democrat is the only one guilty of it, so the rethuglican comes away with their opponent paying the price for the rethuglican's evil deeds.

Worst case, both the rethuglican and the Democrat are both assumed guilty by the public, so 'all of them do it,' and it is a wash. So again, the rethuglican gets away with their evil deeds, and the Democrat still pays a price for the rethuglican's evil deeds.

They know exactly what they are saying, and what it means. They are only 'catapulting the propaganda' and 'rewriting history' in the process.

[triguy46]

31. the "point of consensus"

the cusp at which we presume that there exists some finite point at which agreement and cooperation might coexist. I propose that the POC is ever more elusive, that that point is so fine as to be more conceptual than real.

O'lielly is certainly strident in name calling, but not necessarily accurate in his use of language. Unless you accept the previous post's suggestion that this is a cirucular construct not linear, then o'lielllys fascist-liberal assertion is counterintuitive, or at least an oxymoran.

[Swamp Rat]

33. "Ark of Imaginative Constructs"

That chart is a figment of someone's imagination. There is no linear progression to polar opposites. It is an illusion.

:)