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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:15 PM
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One Year Ago December 14, I Posted This Piece
This post from December 14, 2004, was in regards to the Scott Peterson verdict. In light of the fate awaiting Tookie Williams, I feel this is a timely reminder. I edited here and there for clarity's sake. I rarely ever re-post, so please allow me...


Normally, I would avoid posting any thread of this nature, because of the lurid sensationalism involved, the media (and DU) circus surrounding it, and what have you.

But something got to me today,and in these past few weeks, that reaffirmed some of my worst hunches about the latter-day triumph of humanity's reptilian core.

It's easy to say, as with most capital murder cases, that the perpetrator, if truly guilty as decided by a jury, is deserving of his lifelong confinement, and usually undeserving of our sympathy or any modicum of good will.

I won't argue that. In fact, I am not here to argue about the man's character. I am not here to argue whether he deserves scorn, unyielding contempt, or bottomless condemnation. By most reliable accounts, he represents among the worst the species has to offer. But let others judge that. If I were to argue any of this at all, I could not easily defend the monstrous reptile in his core.

But.

The cheering.

The elation.

Does dancing in the streets in celebration of the impending death of another human being, regardless of his character or any irredeemable qualities he possesses, reaffirm our humanity and basic goodness, as these happy minions would like to believe?

Or does cheering the death sentence bring us one step closer to his deep, dark level of inhumanity? The way he once reveled in the debasement of another's life, so too, do the cheering throngs revel likewise, no?

Do we deny our own humanity as an emotional trade-off for welcoming the fate he gets for denying another human being his or her life? Or do we celebrate an illusion of moral superiority?

I do not claim to fall on one side or the other so easily.

If I were one of the victim's brother or father or uncle... I can't say I wouldn't want Tookie Williams to die at my own hand. I can't deny I may very well dance on his grave.

I can't deny a sliver, no matter how minuscule or slight, of empathy for the cheering throngs.

But I also can't deny something stuck in my craw with those happy, laughing, exultant people, and made me deeply ill-at-ease in my soul. Deeply unsettled.

I am not sure we can make that trade-off with our humanity fully successful, to satisfy a lust for vengeance that will exact a greater price than we can pay. The trade-off shortchanges us every time.

I am not sure.

But it sure as hell made me wonder about the state of humanity and the spiritual health of America's rank-and-file 'upstanding' citizens.

And it made me wonder just how far removed from a beast like Tookie Williams they, and we, truly are.

I am not sure.


Peace. May mercy find us all.
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:17 PM
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1. Thanks for reposting.
I remember when you took on the Peterson case, which I found rather disgusting. The people standing outside the jail with signs BEFORE he was adjudicated as guilty, screaming for his death?

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WindRavenX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:18 PM
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2. that's what it comes down to...
...the glee and reveling in the situation has made me ill.
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Elidor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:22 PM
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3. I'm glad to see I'm on the same wavelength as you
Edited on Mon Dec-12-05 08:22 PM by Hardhead
Because I consider you a good thinker and a thoughtful person. Then again, the one flows naturally from the other, doesn't it? I'm on the same wavelength, and therefore consider you thoughtful. Ah well, whichever the case - words of wisdom, Zombie. Good post.
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Oceansaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:25 PM
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4. Thanks....
i wasnt around here a year ago, so i'm glad you re-posted it !!
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:33 PM
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5. Zomby
it has been a while since I told you :loveya:

This is very nice. I am anti DP in all cases and I must say the glee with which we put people to death disturbs me to no end.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-13-05 10:15 AM
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11. Long time no see, LWolf!
:loveya:
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:34 PM
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6. Not far enough removed from the beast....
.....at all. :evilfrown:
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AirmensMom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 08:52 PM
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7. Thanks, Woof.
I've been thinking the same thing, but you put it perfectly. Thanks for re-posting.
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nini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 09:59 PM
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8. Agreed.. just like last year
We have no soul.


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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 10:19 PM
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9. Good post then and now---
As one who has lost a family member to violence, I never had a desire to see the death of the perpetrator.
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Zomby Woof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-12-05 11:33 PM
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