Light a candle for Stan 'Tookie' Williams.

[i have issues]

and for all of us.
http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/enter.cfm

[VolcanoJen]

1. Goodnight, Tookie.

I hope that the City of Angels can rest tonight; I hope that it is done in memory of Tookie.

And so, it is done.

I light a candle, for all of us.

[FreedomAngel82]

4. I did

I'm listening to the live coverage and it's amazing. :cry:

[Swamp Rat]

2. peace

[tritsofme]

3. No thanks.

[Name removed]

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[T Town Jake]

5. I'll light four...for his victims.

(n/t)

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[T Town Jake]

17. What a sweetheart you are...a real voice of reason for your cause...

(n/t)

[Midnight Rambler]

12. I say light five

..and the cycle of violence continues

Edit to say anti-DP, not pro-Tookie

[Bixie]

24. You could've done that 26 years ago

or any day in the intervening time.


Oh... you're trying to show how much you disapprove of murder. Well I disapprove, too. I just disapprove in ALL cases, not just the ones you choose.

[Bluebear]

26. Welcome to DU

and bless you.

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[Bluebear]

33. WE NEED YOU HERE!

:toast:

[T Town Jake]

35. We await your efforts along these lines with baited breath....

(n/t)

[ET Awful]

49. The problem being that none of them even knew this case existed

until the Supreme Court decision a few weeks back that spurred the clemency efforts.

[Union Thug]

6. Geez, I hope the salivating masses feel better now...

that a menagerie of the rich have been gifted with the power of life and death....

I love the smell of democracy in the morning... Smells like charred flesh.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

8. amen

[liberaltrucker]

9. If my clock's right

he's history. Good riddance, and may the Great Spirit have mercy on his soul.

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[Bluebear]

'Good riddance' is a bit crass in context here.

[i have issues]

13. This thread is for those of us who dont believe in an eye for an eye.

Post your anger and hate somewhwere else. Namaste.

[T Town Jake]

19. If you don't want replies to your threads, don't post them.

(n/t)

[FreedomAngel82]

30. If you don't like a thread than don't come to it!

Go start your own murder loving thread!

[T Town Jake]

37. Oh, I like this thread just fine. I DO intend to light some candles...

...for Tookie's victims.

[greyl]

52. small point: "Eye for an eye" was originally a call for fairness

as opposed to the then prevelant "a life for an eye", or "cutting a hand off for adultery", iow.

[G_j]

14. and for all of us.

done

peace

[PaganPreacher]

15. Five candles.

May the families of his victims know peace, and may Stanley Williams' spirit know peace, too.

Five candles.

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.

[Fescue4u]

16. Light 4 candles for his direct victims

Light 10,000 candles for the victims of his gang.

[underseasurveyor]

18. Done and thank you for posting this link

How very kind and thoughtful.

[i have issues]

20. Must I repeat myself?

A mans life was taken. By the state. This is not a debatable thread. Post your vitriol somewhere else.

[FreedomAngel82]

21. Thank you

Go start your own thread for supporting murder!

[MnFats]

23. opposing state-sanctioned murder is not the same as..

...supporting murder on the streets.
...why must we sink to the level of those we say are society's worst?

[FreedomAngel82]

29. It is the same!

It's murder! No matter what you're still taking another person's life and justifying it! That is never acceptable.

[liberalnurse]

22. I'll lite a candle for the innocent victims

who have suffered under the direction and/or hand of this multiple,first degree felon.

[Bluebear]

25. self deleted out of respect for the thread

.

[i have issues]

27. I tried.

This wasn't meant to be a flame worthy post. It was meant to recognise, yet another spark, a tiny flame in a huge universe, gone out. Through violence,and possibly then through redemption, without forgiveness. Flame away, let's see how far this gets us. Same old, same old, even here on DU. Sad.

[Occulus]

34. A couple people at work tonight

were cackling over the Pakistan earthquake. Because "Dere's terraists dere!!"

Same mentality, different reason.

Sick in EVERY case.

[FreedomAngel82]

36. It is

I hate all this death.

[EFerrari]

31. Done. Thank you. n/t

[i have issues]

38. How ya feeling Sfexpat?

Honestly, I was enjoying our own quiet little, conversational thread over at your post. This could get ugly. And to repeat myself for the fourth time tonight, (sigh,) sadly. C'mon DU we can do better than this!

[bliss_eternal]

45. No--apparently we can't...

some of us can, most it seems aren't at all capable.

((i have issues))) Nice of you to think so, though.

[EFerrari]

46. We can do better and we will do better.

It doesn't matter so much if there are uglies in the moment. What matters is our forward movement.

We'll get there.

:hi:

[WinkyDink]

39. Are you serious?

Funny how you don't request "us" to light one---or four---for his victims.
It's one thing to wish the state would not exercise this ultimate power; it's another to ask for a CANDLE to be lit for a convicted killer.

I guess some deaths ARE more important than others.

[Bluebear]

41. Funny?

Maybe the thread starter is a gentle soul who abhors ANY murder?

[WinkyDink]

43. Then this person ought to have specifically mentioned the VICTIMS.

The omission is very telling, IMO.

[Bluebear]

44. oh never mind

you won't understand.

[RummyTheDummy]

40. And while you're at it

Light a candle for the four people he murdered.

[Tommythegun]

42. Light a candle...

light four for the people he murdered. Light a thousand for the thousands of people his gang, the gang that he helped to start and never repudiated, have destroyed.

[ET Awful]

47. Never repudiated???

Have you read anything the man has written?

Let's start with:

"Twenty-five years ago when I created the Crips youth gang with Raymond Lee Washington in South Central Los Angeles, I never imagined Crips membership would one day spread throughout California, would spread to much of the rest of the nation and to cities in South Africa, where Crips copycat gangs have formed. I also didn't expect the Crips to end up ruining the lives of so many young people, especially young black men who have hurt other young black men.

Raymond was murdered in 1979. But if he were here, I believe he would be as troubled as I am by the Crips legacy.

So today I apologize to you all -- the children of America and South Africa -- who must cope every day with dangerous street gangs. I no longer participate in the so-called gangster lifestyle, and I deeply regret that I ever did.

As a contribution to the struggle to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality, I have written the Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence children's book series. My goal is to reach as many young minds as possible to warn you about the perils of a gang lifestyle.

I am no longer "dys-educated" (disease educated). I am no longer part of the problem. Thanks to the Almighty, I am no longer sleepwalking through life.

I pray that one day my apology will be accepted. I also pray that your suffering, caused by gang violence, will soon come to an end as more gang members wake up and stop hurting themselves and others.

I vow to spend the rest of my life working toward solutions. " - Stanley "Tookie" Williams 4/13/97

You might want to actually know what you're talking about before you talk . . . just a thought.

[Tommythegun]

51. If he had truly repudiated...

If he had truly repudiated, he would have renounced his gang affiliation inside prison (he never did). And he would have assisted the police as a witness in crimes committed by the Crips or in understanding the workings of the gang, both inside and outside prison (he never did this, either).

Both of these facts lead me to think that his public persona may well have been a ploy to get him off. I care more about what he did, or did not do, than what he said.

[ET Awful]

53. Umm, that letter was written while in prison

Of course, you've paid more attention to the "KILL TOOKIE" crowd than the facts, and thus aren't worthy my time to discuss this with. Bye bye.

[EFerrari]

48. Remember, it doesn't matter if not everyone gets it

immediately. It really doesn't -- in fact, if you think about it, change rarely if every happens like that except among lemmings.

Lemmings, we're not.

We'll be okay, with a little time and work. We will.

[Silverhair]

50. How about some candles for his victims? NT

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