CNN: Clinton on uranium flap: Time to move on

[Q]

The White House, attacked by critics for a now-retracted line about Iraq seeking uranium from Africa in President Bush's State of the Union address, has gotten some surprising support from former President Bill Clinton. - http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/

- Spin it any way you like...but Clinton KNEW that his words would help Bush* defuse the furor over his blatant lies.

[Terwilliger]

1. we can hang Bill Clinton too

hang all the fuckers that enable this traitor

[Q]

6. Certainly Clinton MUST KNOW that this corrupt admin...

...is destroying this country...and that the invasion of Iraq was illegal and immoral?

- It pisses me off that he's providing an 'escape clause' for Bush* just as many Democrats are trying to get to the bottom of the 9-11 and Iraq lies.

[Ein]

2. Move on ...

Like everything else, move on. We're passive agressive pawns. Disappointing.

[JVS]

3. I'm sure the spinners will be here soon to tell you what was meant

and how to think about it.

[Walt Starr]

4. Fuck Bill Clinton

Today is it. I will never defend the fucker again.

He is a traitor and deserves no respect ever again.

[Stuckinthebush]

5. Why, Bill?

I don't get it.

[Q]

11. Clinton made it appear that the 'niger' lie was all there was to it...

...and that it was simply a 'mistake'. But the Niger Lie was only one of MANY.

- Clinton is intentionally trying to take the heat off the Bushies. I want to know why.

[rwork]

23. Bill must know

that cheney planned the war 2 years ago. It could be this administration has so much corruption it would fill a book. It makes the head spin.

[Sophree]

28. I don't know

It seems that after 8 years of hounding, he'd know what we're up against and that you have to attack as much as they do, especially when they are CLEARLY in the wrong and lying.

Maybe he is giving more credit to the American people than we are. Maybe they already are seeing * as a liar and he is trying to take Rove's only defense of "playing politics" away.

But Clinton, I think like many Dems right now, do not see the seriousness of the situation we are in right now. This is not business (or politics) as usual.

Personally, (putting tinfoil hat on,) I think that if the Repukes had not shut his Presidency down, Clinton would have gone into Iraq, but he would have done it with UN and world support since he is obviously a superior statesman.

The same forces that want to control Iraq's oil are behind most of them. :tinfoilhat:

[Terwilliger]

22. Because you anti-leftist types can't see that...

Bill is trying to have it both ways.

Frankly, if we forgive Bush his trespasses, then we can forgive Bill for his, and we will be able to forgive Hillary for hers :nuke:

[madfloridian]

7. We moved on after the 2000 selection, we moved on to Iraq...must stop.

I find it very upsetting that he did this. I am still stuck back in 2000 in the mud and dirt.

[w13rd0]

8. Now would be a good time to remind Republicans...

...that Clinton does not speak for all of us, or for most of us all the time. Furthermore, do the Republicans really want to try and say that Clinton should be the authority on what the proper response to lying should be?

[Cha]

13. Really! they are Soooo Desparate they are grasping at

straws. They are holding up a known liar who they eviserated for lying to be their savior on this.

[Gin]

24. Maybe it was self serving,,, so they don't keep blaming him...

or maybe to help Blair...whatever...I am disappointed.

[Loonman]

9. BFD, Clinton is used to being stabbed in the back by his own party

Big deal.

Outrage from DUers is hardly surprising.

[Cha]

14. and he's used to stabbing his own "party" in the back...so

nothing to see here ..move on.

[demnan]

10. Why is it our side who always plays softball?

I don't get it.

[RedSock]

12. two words to bill

FUCK you!

[Cha]

17. That will work!

[Warren Stuart]

15. Hey Bill, once the Pubbies move on from your penis

Then I'll move on from this.

This dog can hunt.

[Hamlette]

16. why are you surprised?

both Clintons have always favored getting rid of Saddam.

It's the honest and honorable thing for Clinton to do at this point given his position.

Unless you want us to become a party of hyporcits too. I don't agree with Clinton's position but at least he's not playing politics with it.

Bush is going down over the economy. Don't fret.

[Cha]

19. Nah! There's nothing "honest" about it.

[Skinner]

18. That's disappointing.

Usually Clinton's political instincts are right on, but he's wrong on this one.

I think this has more to do with rehabilitating his own image than with helping the Dems beat Bush. Clinton wants to be seen as the elder statesman, not he partisan hack. Also, I think there is probably an element of "I wish people knew when to 'move on' back when I was president."

Hopefully the Dems in congress don't take his advice this time. He's got a conflict of interest.

EDIT: Typo

[rwork]

26. He has always wanted

to be conciliatory. Don't get down in the gutter like they do.

[Q]

32. Agreed...

...and Clinton certainly knew that the media would immediately take his words and use them to Bush's* advantage.

- The Dems were on fire about this and other Bushie misdeeds. Clinton just threw cold water on them and their arguments.

[Individualist]

38. You're absolutely right, Skinner

I've defended Clinton time after time to repubs, but after last night's shameful statements I'll never defend him again.

[onecitizen]

20. You're right Q, he knew............

I feel betrayed yet another time. And we defended him tirelessly,and he turns around and does this. I do not believe he had some greater or bigger plan in the works, he knew what he was doing and he did it.

He would have been removed from office for HIS lie had the people,us, not supported him endlessly. And he turns around and does this. What gall!! And after all the Cons did to do him in, he sides with them. All the love I had for him is gone. No more goodwill either. In my mind he is gone, impeached, and left his office in disgrace.

I'm outraged by this.

[bunnyhop]

21. Idiot democratics being nice again

Clinton thinks if we help them, they'll help us. You can be sure repugs are laughing over this latest dem idiocy.

[ibegurpard]

25. He's looking out for number 1

He has a historical legacy to repair, remember? Like Skinner said, he's trying to play the magnanimous "elder statesman."

:eyes:

[Isome]

30. too nice...

That would be us! I make a concerted effort not to be nice to counteract my natural tendencies as a left leaner. ;-) As for this latest... I'm really trying not to think too hard about it. I want to stay focused on the real issue: the smarmy smirker lies and people continue to die.

[searchingforlight]

27. I think this is a political ploy.

He knows that, if we elect another Dem now and he does well, Hillary cannot run in 2008 and win.

If we elect another Dem now and things get worse, Hillary cannot run with any success in 2008.

The only scenario that works for them is, if Bush wins in 2004 and things continue to get worse, Hillary will have a fertile field.

Self interest.

I supported Bill Clinton and think he was a victim of mudslinging but I also feel he had a duty to remain above scandal because so many had placed their hopes in him after years of Repub antics. I believe he is not doing us good service with these remarks.

I also believe that a President may not read everything that comes into his office or everything that he makes daily decisions on - that is why he has advisors. BUT, when he is taking his country into a pre-emptive war, against the will of the majority of the world, he had better double check his facts!

[onecitizen]

33. Brigadoon........

I've felt like that for a while now. About the time that Hil. voted with bush to invade Iraq. AND the way the DLC just doesn't seem interested in this election. IT IS TO GET READY FOR Hil IN 2008! You are right. Well, they amy be in for a surprise!!!

[ithinkmyliverhurts]

29. Two ways to react.

1) Trust in Bill--that he knows more about the political machine than anyone else out there. He has access to polls and he's a political genius. He may be seeing something politically 5 moves ahead that this argument is leading us towards. He may want to get us out of the way.

2) This could be a presidential candidate's "Sister Soulja" moment. This candidate could distnace himself from Clinton. This candidate could call for the truth, express distaste for same-old, same-old Washington equivocation. He could say that it's time to quit playing word games, that it's time to be up front, to take responsibility. In other words, it's a way to paint Bush as Clinton by using Clinton himself, especially since Clinton inserted himself into the situation.

Just imagine: "With all do respect to President Clinton, some of us are tired of the word games coming out of Washington. Not everything's about politics. Sometimes, it's about right and wrong, about telling the truth and playing with the truth. Sometimes, especially in war, it's about life and death. Some of you may think it's about "gotcha" politics. This isn't about someone's personal indescretion. It's about our men and women sent off to war and our REPRESENTATIVE government potentially being misled."

This is a killer message.

[charlie]

35. I dunno

With the deep-seated devotion Clinton inspires in some around here, I think #2 could enrage enough core Democrats that any benefit would be a wash.

I'd love to hear someone say it, though.

[cjbuchanan]

37. I can only think that he is planning

Because I cannot imagine Bill Clinton falling on his sword for anyone.

I think the question is whom is he trying to help? Is this designed to improve the image of his presidency or is this for another candidate. Is he trying to help out one or more of the Democratic nine or is he thinking of 2008? Maybe he feels that this story has reached its peak and that from here on out, it will hurt Ds more then Rs (like the way his impeachment hurt Rs more then Ds).

I wish he had not said this, but it will be fun to see if Rush or Bill O' start praising Clinton because of this position.

[MO_Dem]

31. I believe

this will cause the press to keep digging into "uraniumgate"! Remember, anytime either of the Clintons say anything, the press goes all-out to prove them wrong, and I have no doubt they will do so this time, too. Media attitude will be "Clinton said it was only a mistake, therefore, we must prove it was a deliberate deception!" Let's see if they continue in their predictable habits. When did they ever accept anything Bill Clinton said as the truth?? Bill is outfoxing them!

[KFC]

34. Clinton was the best President in generations

Who did a hell of a lot of good for the country.

Funny how people will turn on him so fast for an innocuous statement.

[Q]

36. Innocuous? How is excusing Bush's* lies 'innocuous'?

- Bush* knowingly lied about the reasons to take this nation to war. Clinton called it a 'mistake'. It was NOT a mistake.

- And now Clinton also looks like a liar.

[joanski0]

39. To keep it simple for me

Bill Clinton = Centrist

Hillary Clinton - Centrist (She said so on Crossfire when she gave Tucker the shoe)

Joe Lieberman - Centrist - Attacking Iraq was good.

DLC - Centrist

I'm through with all of them. I'll just sit here and eat cake and cry.

[Q]

40. The problem is that certain Dems keep giving the bushies...

...the ammunition they need to escape closer scrutiny at a time when we risk losing everything to the Bush* junta.

- Someone mention that Clinton was looking at the 'big picture'. But to many of us the big picture is the complete takeover of our government by the Neocons. Dems should be fighting against this...not giving the bushies positive soundbites to use in their disinformation campaign.

[Q]

41. The problem is that certain Dems keep giving the bushies...

...the ammunition they need to escape closer scrutiny at a time when we risk losing everything to the Bush* junta.

- Someone mention that Clinton was looking at the 'big picture'. But to many of us the big picture is the complete takeover of our government by the Neocons. Dems should be fighting against this...not giving the bushies positive soundbites to use in their disinformation campaign.