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Delarage Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:46 PM
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My increasingly right-wing sister sent me this:
and I didn't know how to respond, other than to point out to her that Bill Clinton also assasinated JFK and started the bubonic plague. :shrug:


Subject: Did You Know This?

This is an interesting bit of information that you don't
hear about in the media ---

a.. Enron's chairman did meet with the president and
the vice president in the Oval Office.

b.. Enron gave $420,000 to the president's party over
three years.

c.. It donated $100,000 to the president's inauguration
festivities.

d.. The Enron chairman stayed at the White House 11 times.

e.. The corporation had access to the administration
at its highest levels and even enlisted the
Commerce and State Departments to grease deals for it.

f.. The taxpayer-supported Export-Import Bank
subsidized Enron for more than $600 million in
just one transaction. Scandalous!!

g.. BUT...the president under whom all this
happened WASN'T George W. Bush.

h.. SURPRISE ......... It was Bill Clinton!

Please pass this on so the whole Country will
Know. The Media Won't!
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Fixated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:50 PM
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1. ....
A lot of that was debunked on snopes. Look for it and send her the facts.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:51 PM
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5. Like this
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:50 PM
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2. Send her a list of Enron/Lay Bush* connections
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:50 PM
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3. Start with this
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SeveneightyWhoa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:51 PM
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4. LOL @ the last three words.
I just love how both sides (right and left) claim that the media is siding with the OTHER side.

Only one can be right--and I'm pretty sure its us. Claiming that the media is liberal is like saying that 9/11 was solely Clinton's fault. Pure ignorant idiocy.
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mike1963 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:52 PM
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6. Here's one breath of air:
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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:53 PM
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7. Click here
Edited on Sat Nov-08-03 11:54 PM by La_Serpiente
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Delarage Donating Member (716 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:56 PM
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9. Thanks everyone!
As usual, it's up to us America-hating liberals to deliver the facts to others!
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morgan2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-08-03 11:55 PM
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8. thats why people call bill clinton..
the best republican president ever.
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Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:15 AM
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18. That's why Snopes calls...
...people like you as gullible as they come.
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Military Brat Donating Member (999 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:03 AM
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10. Have you noticed the Clinton rhetoric is ratcheting up again?
Rove strikes again. The latest tactic? Keep us busy defending Clinton and we won't have time or energy to attack the bush administration.

Keep your eye on the ball. No matter what anyone says about Clinton, tell them, "old news," just like Arnie the Groper said about the accusations against him once he got into office. Or maybe you can just shrug and say, "Wow, when you're right, you're right." But say it in a way that they know you don't think they're right at all, you just don't want an argument.

I know how irritating it is, believe me. But the ignorance of the right wing is their strength, and our knowledge is our strength, so why waste it on them? You know the saying, "You can't fight ignorance." They have to see the building falling around them before they can read the writing on the wall.
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DUreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:06 AM
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13. Terra warnings too, thrax in DC, Cargo planes, Saudi Bombs
what color is it today?
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FDRrocks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:04 AM
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11. Reply with the various facts on GWBush and Lay...
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 12:05 AM by FDRrocks
I bet Ken didn't have his own desk in the WH during Clinton, but I dunno.

Moral of the story is that both major parties play to big corporations.

edit: Also point out that Enron was able to happen due to deregulation... which liberals oppose, generally. And that there hasn't been a liberal in the WH since.... *head hurts trying to think back that far*.
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lysergik Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:05 AM
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12. It's False
Just look at the link La_Serpiente posted.

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La_Serpiente Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:07 AM
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14. After you debunk all of her points
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 12:07 AM by La_Serpiente
make sure to tell her to stop blaming Clinton. I think many Americans have gotten over la locura (the madness) of his phallus.
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lysergik Donating Member (340 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:11 AM
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15. It is amazing how many people are still hung up over it!
No wonder the country is going down the toilet, everyone is still hung up over his blowjob. That was what.. 4? 5? years ago.. what about the bullshit that is taking place NOW?! Thats right, Bush only did coke he didn't ruin the moral fabric of this great country :eyes:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:13 AM
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17. If it'll stop Shrubby from invading another country...
...and murdering a few thousand more people, I will gladly buy a hooker to give him head.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:13 AM
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16. And make sure to cc everyone she cc'd on her propaganda e-mail
Edited on Sun Nov-09-03 12:13 AM by 0rganism
This stuff needs to be debunked widely.

Perhaps more importantly, people need to know that it is POSSIBLE to question the rightwing bullshit. We're far too accustomed to believing it, ignoring it, or brushing it off. It needs to be confronted.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-09-03 12:18 AM
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19. Here, enlighten her with some truth...
Clinton Policies

Tried to get Universal Health Care
National Health Care Costs rising at 10% per annum. Cut to 3%
Deficit Reduction Package
Crime Bill
100,000 cops on street—crime down down down
Welfare Reform-- Mend do not end. GOP helped bit time
80% increase in child welfare payments
Job Growth-Record 236,000 per month. (Reagan/Bush 167,000)
Largest percentage of Americans working in history
Largest Home Ownership in history
Record number of small business formations
Tax Cut for 15 million working families
Family and Medical Leave Act
Defense Reinvest and Conversion—Bush enjoying weapons created by Clinton
Direct loan programs for students
Guts to put promises in a book "Putting People First"-58 promises in book. Took action on 56 in first two years.
Second best record in history for getting legislation through Congress in first to years. LBJ number one.
Reinvented Government—cut payroll
Fewest number of civilians on federal payroll in 36 years
Attacked cop killing nasty rifle association.
Attacked the cancer inducing tobacco industry
Promoted a global effort to ban abusive forms of child labor
Loan 12.8 Billion to Mexico. Made 800 Million profit. Kept Mexico afloat.
Wash. Post kept list of campaign promises. 162. Took action on 96% in first two years.
Took on prejudice toward other Americans in military
Took on his own Southern Baptist Church
Hard smart work in Middle East and Bosnia-Kosovo
Honored with all of the following:
Dove of Peace Award
Rabin-Peres Peace Award
Gandhi Peace Award
Order of Good Hope Award
Nominated for Nobel Peace Award
Northern Ireland Peace Agreement
Lifeaholics of America Award for Quarter Century "Working for a Life Not Just A Living".
First President to visit Northern Ireland
Cleanup of Toxic sites. Record
Increasing weekly earnings
Shoo Shoo Saddam get away from Kuwait
Stopping Haitians from drowning enroute to freedom
First to visit South Africa
First to make a determined effort to help the African continent come together and grow together
Taxing top 1.2% of very wealthy to get Zoom Zoom Boom economy
Stopping Republicans in the House from raiding Medicare of 181 Billion
Stopping Republicans raid on Medicaid
Stopping Republicans raid on education
Stopping Republicans attack on environment
Largest increase in Education funding since GI Bill
Increased funding for Head Start
Nafta.. A success until the Peso went south
Submitting 8 budgets close to rate of inflation
Brady Bill
Gaat
Assault Weapons Ban
Telling Japan "You take our auto parts or we will apply tariffs on you
California Desert Protection
Forest Management Plan for Northwest
Restoration of Florida Everglades
Preservation of land in Utah
Major increase in funding for homeless
Motor Voter Act
Lobbying Reform Effort. Handshake with Newt who reneged
Pressure to get Campaign Finance Reform.
National Export Strategy. Unbelievable success.
Over 250 Trade pacts
Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation Pact
Summit of Americas
Super 301
Chemical Weapons Ban Treaty.
Bottom Up Review of Military
Agreement with Cuba to stop flow of immigrants to USA.
Ameri-Corps
Reduced Nuclear Threat Around the World
Community Banking Act
FEMA used as an active participant and a leader in disaster relief
Tax on well off social security beneficiaries
100,000 new teachers effort
5,000 new classroom effort
50% of classes thru K-12 on internet
Fourth Graders improvement on world tests
Lifetime Learning Opportunity Program
Controls on Spending and Borrowing
Pension Protection Act of 1994
Record high consumer confidence
Very, very, very low Misery Index
National Agenda on Racial Prejudices
First to get African-American unemployment under 10%
Balanced Budget
Record Corporate profits
Record Bank profits
Record Savings and Loan profits
Never whining despite non-sop smears and attacks
Not having a Mean Bone in his body per Historian David Maraniss
Not knowing how to hate
Classing others as "opponents" not "enemies"
Inviting your attackers to the White House functions
Inviting your defeated opponent Bob Dole to visit troops at Christmas
A national attack on hate crimes
Fighting to protect "legal" immigrants from Republicans in the House.
Fighting hard for Fast Track legislation
Kennedy and Kassenbaum Portability of Insurance
Lowest interest rates in 30 years
Allowing millions of homeowners to refinance home loans at lower (much) rates
Lowest unemployment in 25 years
Lowest inflation in 25 years
Lowest welfare rolls in 27 years
Lowest crime Rates in 25 years
First balanced budget sent to Congress in 29 years
Protecting worker pensions (repeat?)
Opposed ban on "Late Term Abortions"
A stock market which passed a 1,000 mark six times
Greatest growth in federal revenues in history
Played Saxophone and Smoked Peace Pipe, instead of beating War Drums like____.
One of History's all time workers for Peace
President in a year when Fortune Magazine classified it as "Greatest Economy in the History of the world"
Popularity jump in the midst of a scandal.
President with highest peacetime popularity in Asia, Africa, Russia and Europe.
Highest popularity of any president at end of fifth year in office
One of the most highly regarded First Lady in History.
One of the most highly regarded Vice-President in History
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