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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:47 AM
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Who does this quote belong to?
"The common thread of Democratic history, from Thomas Jefferson to Bill Clinton, has been an abiding faith in the judgment of hardworking American families, and a commitment to helping the excluded, the disenfranchised and the poor strengthen our nation by earning themselves a piece of the American Dream. We remember that this great land was sculpted by immigrants and slaves, their children and grandchildren."

And I doubt it will be a Deannie that can answer it.
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:49 AM
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1. I would think your guy Clark
Either way whoever said it made sense.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:49 AM
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2. Ron Brown
Edited on Sat Dec-13-03 08:50 AM by HuckleB
On edit: Hmm. I suppose I qualify as a "Deanie" in the Clark camp.

;)
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:51 AM
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3. Good for you HuckleB
You get 10 kudos for the day.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:51 AM
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4. It's hard to tell - either Coulter or Rush
It so much sounds like something they'd both say, God bless 'em, though the word usage tends more toward the eloquence and stylish permutations of Rush.

Am I right? :evilgrin:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:52 AM
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5. seems like you was wrong
Coulter would be
"We need to excute those democrats"
Rush
"Liberals are the root of all evil and why I couldnt get laid"
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Democrats unite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:56 AM
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6. The underlying point of my thread is
There have been a lot of bashing on DU from Dean supporters about the DNC. They haven't a clue how the DNC is run or of it's history. I actually get the feeling that think think Dean can win with out the DNC.

I have a bridge for sale if your interested.

The DNC is not perfect by any means, but it is our Party, and if you don't like it take your candiate and go make you own party & see how far you get & stop using our coatails.
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 08:58 AM
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7. Well, I was going to say "Aww. Shucks." to your first response...
but I'll just say that I think you're making some rather large assumptions and generalizations based on the posts of a few.

Salut!
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ClintonTyree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:07 AM
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8. It's not the DNC.....................
that I find questionable, it's the leadership. If you think I'm a poor disillusioned child with no grasp of reality then you are the one that needs to wake up and smell the coffee. The Democratic Party must evolve or become extinct.
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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:38 AM
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10. I think you're confusing the DNC with the DLC
The DNC is the Democratic Party. The DLC is the Democratic Leadership Committee and quite conservative--Bush-lite as it were--and has, until now, exerted a considerable influence on party politics. The so-called New Democrats are bucking the DLC because it represents "business as usual."
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:09 AM
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14. Wrong
I am a Deanie whose main efforts go to party building. I know NO CANDIDATE can win without the support of the establishment. I'll bet there are lots of other Deanies who are smart enough to knw this too. Nice implication that we're all a bunch of short-sighted, stupid neanderthals though. ;-)

Going in another direction now, quite relevant to your poor quality post, is this article in the latest issue of The American Prospect:

http://www.prospect.org/print/V14/11/meyerson-h.html

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Working largely under the radar, McAuliffe has actually made the DNC better prepared for a presidential election than it may ever have been. While the innovations in fund raising and communications of Howard Dean's presidential campaign and MoveOn.org have been widely noted, the analogous changes at the DNC have largely escaped attention. So, too, has the ramping up of its 2004 field campaign, which, under the direction of general election strategist Teresa Vilmain, is taking place earlier than ever before.

<snip>

McAuliffe plans to deliver another gift to the Democratic nominee this spring. The eventual winner, McAuliffe fears, is likely to emerge from the primary season battered and broke. At that point, Bush will have at least $200 million on hand for media buys. "In 2000, Al Gore was dark," McAuliffe thunders, meaning that the vice president ran no television ads because he didn't have the money, "for 92 days!" Such darkness, McAuliffe vows, will not descend on 2004's nominee. "We will have tens of millions in the bank the day we get a nominee. On March 10, or whenever it is, we'll give the nominee $25 million." In the next breath, McAuliffe whittles the figure down to the $18.6 million the law permits the party to transfer. But his point is that such funding has never gone to the nominee "before September or October of election year."

McAuliffe's fund-raising success may have to do less with anything Democrats support than with something -- or someone -- they oppose. George W. Bush has provided more incentive for Democrats to give money to their party than Bill Clinton did. "I'm sitting here with $10 million in the bank," McAuliffe notes. "In the first nine months of 2003, we've outraised our totals for '96 and 2000"(the last two presidential election years). "And that's with a garbled message! When I have a nominee and we got a message, it's gonna be great!"

The "garbled" message seems to drive McAuliffe a little batty. "Nobody wants a nominee more than I do, because right now, we've got nine voices on Iraq and tax policy," he says. He is plainly pleased that "we'll have a nominee by March 10" or thereabouts; until then, he doesn't really have a distinct product -- save Bush hatred -- to market.

It's a good article. It's sink or swim for McAuliffe right now. Looks to me he's fully aware we MUST win 2004 if he wants to keep his job. He seems to want to keep his job.

As a Deanie who is very well aware of the need for support from the party I ask that you retract or qualify your remarks.

Julie





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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:27 AM
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17. Thanks JNelson
For that education on the innerworkings of the DNC...

Interesting about the DNC having some money this time around.
Our candidate won't be such a darkhorse, eh?

Looks like donkeys are gonna kick some pug ass this time! YeeHaw!
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:36 AM
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9. Who does this quote belong to?
"All sorts of local laws and regulations have been tried and found wanting, and the costly lessons of our own experience, as well as that of every civilized nation, show conclusively that the fate of the remnant of our forests is in the hands of the federal government, and that if the remnant is to be saved at all, it must be saved quickly."
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:39 AM
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11. I'll take a guess--is it James Watt? n/t
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 09:45 AM
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12. You're close, real close.
Yes, siree.

;)
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:36 AM
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18. OK. Gotta go. It's...
John Muir.

The paragraph that follows is:

"Any fool can destroy trees. They cannot run away; and if they could, they would still be destroyed, -- chased and hunted down as long as fun or a dollar could be got out of their bark hides, branching horns, or magnificent bole backbones. Few that fell trees plant them; nor would planting avail much towards getting back anything like the noble primeval forests. During a man's life only saplings can be grown, in the place of the old trees -- tens of centuries old -- that have been destroyed. It took more than three thousand years to make some of the trees in these Western woods, -- trees that are still standing in perfect strength and beauty, waving and singing in the mighty forests of the Sierra. Through all the wonderful, eventful centuries since Christ's time -- and long before that -- God has cared for these trees, saved them from drought, disease, avalanches, and a thousand straining, leveling tempests and floods; but he cannot save them from fools, -- only Uncle Sam can do that."
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:06 AM
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13. OK. This one is short, sweet, and easy...
"Those who make peaceful change impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."
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Donna Zen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:15 AM
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15. JFKennedy
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HuckleB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-13-03 10:18 AM
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16. Woo Hoo! You rock!
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