Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

fascist or pro-crypto-Nazi

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
moof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:01 PM
Original message
fascist or pro-crypto-Nazi
referring to the exchange between buckley & Vidal during the 1968 convention.

http://www.pitt.edu/~kloman/tapes.html

does anyone thing Gore was really unable to think of the term "fascist" to describe buckley and really, once you have said nazi, haven't you already said fascist ? Is this just a case of semantics or is there a big difference ?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 06:38 PM
Response to Original message
1. Semantics
A totalitarian is a totalitarian no matter which label you put on him.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:00 PM
Response to Original message
2. Vidal very carefully chose the term "crypto-Nazi" because...
he knew that it would get a rise out of his fellow WWII veteran. Buckley IS smart, but Vidal is smarter.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-29-03 07:04 PM
Response to Original message
3. National Socialism was not a fascist state. . .
Edited on Mon Dec-29-03 07:04 PM by Journeyman
but was instead a totalitarian regime. Hitler's ambitions were far greater than the narrow confines that fascist nationalism would permit, and throughout his life he held a contemptuous view toward the shortcomings of his fascist allies.

National Socialism was always international in its scope and disdained the superficiality it perceived in fascism. In his diaries, Joseph Goebbels was often critical of fascism. Fascism, he wrote, "is nothing like National Socialism. While the latter goes deep down to the roots, Fascism is only a superficial thing." Elsewhere, Heinrich Himmler expressed similar disdain for fascism in a speech to SS Officers in 1943, when he described the two as "fundamentally different things. . . there is absolutely no comparison between Fascism and National Socialism as spiritual, ideological movements."

So the short answer to your question is yes, there are many fundamental differences between fascism and National Socialism, the terms fascism and totalitarianism are not interchangeable, and it is hardly a question of mere semantics when one considers these differences but is instead a subject of extensive study.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Fri May 03rd 2024, 05:56 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC