Is Rush Limbaugh a Republican, or is he...

[RainDog]

a word that rhymes with score?

I exhort, you decide.

Hey Rush, if you're an honest Republican, and not just a prison be-atch for Bush, why don't you interview Phillips, an honest Republican, on your show?

If not, are you then simply a propaganda mouthpiece for anti-Americans?

http://www.buzzflash.com/interviews/04/01/int04001.html

Kevin Phillips: "... what the Bushes represent is just totally at loggerheads with everything from Abraham Lincoln down to McKinley and Teddy Roosevelt, to Eisenhower, who warned about the military-industrial complex... Nixon. John McCain and others -- not many -- but they've taken out after Bush Jr., and Ross Perot, and John Connelly, and even Ronald Reagan, didn't have much use for George Bush Sr. So there's a Republican lineage to this too."

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So, Phillips, who wrote The Emerging Republican Majority way back when, can no longer in good conscience vote as a Republican, if that means voting for Bush.

why you ask? because-

"In terms of the obvious big scandals to which President Bush senior was connected -- we're talking about the October surprise in 1980, in which the Republicans were said to have had relations with Iran to keep the American hostages held in Iran from being freed in time for the election . Then you go to Iran-Contra, where Iran would be supplied with arms in order that Iran use its influence for hostages being held in Lebanon in 1984, and for a while after that. And then Iraqgate was the involvement of George H.W. Bush, in building up Saddam Hussein during the 1980s.

You've got the sort of arrogance of the family that's entitled to rule. And you've got the presumption of having been anointed by God to play this specific role. Now, you can find other rulers in world history that have had the arrogance, and family, and the sense of being anointed by heaven to do something, but you don't look for that in the United States. That's nothing we did.

what's amazing to me is how easily they get away with this, and how little the press will go to the trouble to portray the way in which this is a change of convenience -- dumping somebody who was built up.

It isn't really pointed out the extent to which not just George Bush, but Rumsfeld and others, were involved in building up Saddam Hussein during the 1980s. He's starting to get some attention. But that's obviously a major reason why the Administration doesn't want Saddam tried by a world court. They want him tried by a body in Iraq that can be controlled and will keep testimony like that out of public hearing."

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

1. who paid the most?

That's your answer.

[loudnclear]

11. Rush is an opportunist...out to make the most money to support his drug

habit. He found that he had a captive audience of dittoheads who would give him their time and money so long as he kept the "dissing" going. Rush laughs all the way to the bank and the pharmacist. Remember most of what he has said in the past 20 years was said under the influence of some kind of drugs. He even said he wished he had gotten help at an earlier age.

[cthrumatrix]

2. the only thing that counts is "sharing information" w/ voters to oust Bush

we need to talk with new people each day.

You have great posts and knowledge...share with others who are "on the fence" or repugs.

This is how you will "piss off" rush

[RainDog]

7. hey, are dittoheads mice or men?

If men, they will read the truth and it will set them free from the people who claim to represent their interests while they, in fact, screw them repeatedly.

And the truth is that George W. and his daddy and his brother, Jeb, are enemies of American democracy and the processes of democracy.

And if Rush does not admit this truth about the Bushs..then what does that make him?

[RainDog]

3. October Surprise-- an act bordering on Treason

http://www.ncf.ca/coat/our_magazine/links/issue43/articles/1980_iran_usa.htm Scroll to section "Bush: Hostage Negotiator"

U.S. Navy pilot Captain Gunther Russbacher, who worked with Naval Intelligence and the CIA, says that on Oct. 19, 1980 (three weeks before the election) he flew U.S. officials to Paris to arrange the "October Surprise." On board, says Russbacher, were George Bush, William Casey, Robert Gates (Bush's future CIA Director) and Donald Gregg (whose CIA work began when Bush was director). They met with Hashemi Rafsanjani, the Ayatollah's second in command and Adnan Khashoggi, a powerful Saudi Arabian arms dealer. Arrangements were apparently made to give Iran $40 million as a down-payment to delay release of the hostages

[madrchsod]

4. Ronnie`s west coast

republican backers thought "George the lesser" was the anti-Christ. they did not want George on the ticket but were forced to accept him. after he was in power Ronnie became insignificant and just a fund raiser for the new empire.

[RainDog]

5. October Surprise verifed by a variety of sources...

http://www.consortiumnews.com/1999/051499a.html



May 15, 1999
Russia's Prime Minister and October Surprise

By Robert Parry

 In the closing days of George Bush’s presidency in 1993, (then Russian Prime Minister)....Stepashin informed a special House task force that Russian intelligence information implicated Bush along with former President Reagan and CIA directors William J. Casey and Robert Gates in a series of clandestine contacts with Iran during the 1980 presidential campaign....former CIA director George Bush also took part. … In Madrid and Paris, the representatives of Ronald Reagan and the Iranian leadership discussed the question of possibly delaying the release of 52 hostages from the staff of the U.S. Embassy in Teheran....The hostages were freed on Jan. 20, 1981, minutes after President Reagan was sworn in.

...in December 1992, new evidence emerged lending support to the allegations. Journalist David Andelman, who was a biographer to former French intelligence chief Alexandre deMarenches, testified that deMarenches had disclosed that he assisted Reagan’s campaign director William Casey set up hostage talks with Iranian officials in Paris in October 1980, as some intelligence operatives had alleged.

On Dec. 17, 1992, former Iranian president Abolhassan Bani-Sadr sent the task force a detailed letter...“Passendideh (relative of Khomeni) told me that if I do not accept this proposal, they would make the same offer to my rivals. He further said that they have enormous influence in the CIA. ... Lastly, he told me my refusal of their offer would result in my elimination.”

A third shoe of new evidence dropped on Dec. 21, 1992, in the secret testimony of CIA officer Charles G. Cogan (who) testified that he had been meeting with the new CIA director, William Casey, when Joseph V. Reed, a longtime aide to banker David Rockefeller, arrived. ...“Joseph Reed said, ‘we’ and then the verb something about Carter’s October Surprise,” Cogan testified. “The implication was that we did something about Carter’s October Surprise, but I don’t have the exact wording.” ...(A congressional investigator who discussed the recollection with Cogan in a less formal setting concluded that the verb was likely the past tense of an expletive related to sex.)

The Republicans simply won the bidding war. But President Carter had the constitutional authority to conduct negotiations with foreign powers. The Republican campaign did not.

[KharmaTrain]

6. It's Right Before The Fall

Rushbo is in suspended animation as his status of guilty/not guilty in dittoheadland begins to unfold and then the collapse of the mighty EIB empire.

Right now Rush is playing off the sympathy of his still stunned minyons as they face their own denial in believing that all the "rational talk" could have come out of a drugged-up hyprocrite. The worm hasn't turned on this part of the fall, but it will soon and then the real collapse will begin.

Once there's an open, public and legal revlation of Mr. Limbaugh's drug use (and I sense we'll get more stories and people coming forward tracing the Jeff Christy saga and when one domino falls a lot more will follow). Eventually dittoheads, or at least the people who want to suck the money off of them will hit critical max...these are the advertisers and the stations of the mighty EIB empire.

Right now these stations are "sticking by Rush" (translation: promoting to pop up ratings since they've got a "Newsmaker") to prop up ratings. Imagine Jacko or Kobe or O.J. having a talk show...especially in the days before an indictment is handed down...a soap box where he can both goad the politicians and law enforcement community while playing off the sympathies of his "want-to-believe" sheeple. Being locked up and lawyered up has made Rushbo virtually dillusional as his real contact with the outside world has to be almost Howard Hughsian these days.

I submit that once there's an indictment, along with the wave of media frenzy that will follow, the advertisers and stations will start to think "hot potato" regarding EIB as they did (and these are the same people) to Dr. Laura. There's a lot of Rush Wannabes (Hannity is my lock on slipping into that time slot) who "publicly" are supporting their fellow broadcaster, but are privately salivating for his demise (translation: O'Reilly) who will get the word from their handlers and out will come the knives on Rush...or at least they'll stop any type of a defense...that'll be enough to alienate the already alienated Limbaugh who will fade into late night time slots and eventually onto some Salem commercial/religious station in your town.

If there's anyone whose going to delight at this fall it will be me. I've heard Mr. Rush since day 1 in '88 and I've detested his continual misinformation and the type of radio he created and represents. These days I enjoy hearing his rants...knowing of the drug-induced brain cells they've gestated in and how he's digging himself deeper into his "hidey-hole" under the guise of a "political martyr".

Of course he's going to attack DU...and I think it's the best thing that can happen to this place. Thousands of dollars in free advertising for this website on hundreds of radio stations. Not everyone who tunes in is some Freeper or Neo-Con...there are a lot who are just looking for a voice on the radio to grab onto and he's been there every lunch-hour for years. Hopefully a few flake off here and see there's another world and those of us who personally deal with these people gently explain to them how they've been lied to and abused.

[RainDog]

9. I'm just a patriotic American and want to help Rush

practice the 12 steps.

One of the biggies is to make amends for the harm addicts have caused. I'd say that lying about the real nature of George Bush, and using his bully pulpit on talk radio to support the subversion of American democracy would be a biggie for someone who is a political talk show host.

Rush insults God, the higher power, by supporting a man who says that God has annointed him to be president of the United States, as well.

That, again, is the sort of thinking that French monarchists used to maintain their power, not the sort of thinking that allowed our founders to create a nation founded on principles of liberty and equality and freedom from govt messing with religion.

You know, maybe all that oxycontin muddled Rush's mind. It's a public service to help him get a handle on the facts, the way I see it.

[KharmaTrain]

10. Light The Unenlightened

I enjoy meeting Dittoheads and playing 50 questions with them about Rush and his hypocrisies. It gets harder and harder for them to justify their support of him and, if you keep going, many of the things he says. Once you strip Rush from the issue, those things you note above become great cannon fodder to help a corrupted mind. I mean, some of these people are going to need serious de-programming! LOL.

I was going to suggest to anyone who really wants to make a stink about Rush in a way lots of people will notice or help in the decline of the EIB Empire...is to go after the show's LOCAL advertisers...the real mother's milk that keeps it on so many stations. When these people...who are insulated from you, the listener/consumer/their next sale down the street...by the station and the network actually see or hear from you they may start to figit. TBTM attempts to boycott and make noise on the national level, but it's the local advertisers that need to hear that there are people concerned that they're supporting a drug user with their advertising dollars. Until now bets are they haven't heard from you and many advertise cause it's what the guys at the rotary or the Elks listen to. I'll save stories about how easy it can be to affect change in these people's advertising spending habits, but I'll save that for another time.

[jonoboy]

8. hes just another doper

[RainDog]

12. Why have Rumsfield, Bush Sr., Bush Jr.

all coddled terrorists?

Why did Bush send Rumsfield as a special envoy to Saddam and why did the Republicans sell Saddam technology after he gassed his own people?

Why did Junior try to halt an investigation into 9-11 for more than a year? Why did the Republicans only budget 4 million to investigate the greatest attack on American soil since Pearl Harbor, yet waste 70 MILLION taxpayer dollars on an investigation of a blow job-- or, okay, say a sweetheart deal for a 100 thousand in Arkansas even?

Why don't Republican talking heads mention that under Clinton's watch, America averted the Al Qaeda Millennium bomb plot, while Junior, as a sitting president, ignored the threat of Al Qaeda?

Why don't they acknowledge that a sitting Democratic president stopped an act of terrorism while a sitting Republican did not?

Why did Bush/Cheney ignore the Hart-Rudman bipartisan warnings about Al Qaeda?

Why did Bush/Cheney/Rice ignore the briefings from the Clinton administration, which stopped a terrorist attack, which stated that Al Qaeda was the biggest security problem they would deal with?

Why did Bush allow Saudis who were suspected of connections to Osama's terrorist financing fly out of the United States days after 9-11, and fly across America before that when ALL OTHER planes were grounded?

Why did Bush appoint Thomas Kean, a man in business until three weeks before his appointment with a known financier of terrorism, Khalid bin Mahfouz ?

Why has Bush lied to the American people about Hussein's ties to Al Qaeda, and also lied by omission about his own ties to terrorism funding via Khalid bin Mahfouz's long investment in Junior's Harken Energy? --why does Bush continue to protect financiers of terrorism by limiting offshore banking investigations to stop the flow of money to terrorists?

Why did Poppy Bush abuse his power to hinder an investigation of his herpes-infested scam artist son, Neil...in the Savings and Loan scandal which resulted in the greatest transfer of wealth from middle class taxpayers to rich con artists since...well, since when--until after Poppy's election?

Why are all the above scandals tied to BCCI, known as the largest bank fraud in world history, and also known as the bank for terrorists and drug runners...and also the bank which helped to fund Harken via Jackson Stephens and Khalid bin Mahfouz?

just wondering...

[snippy]

13. Professionally, Rush is a liar, a bigot, and a hate monger.

That's how he makes his living now because that's what the shittoheads demand. (This, by the way is why liberal talk radio will never be as successful as conservative talk radio. The demand for lies, bigotry, and hate are not as strong among liberals.) At one time Rush apparently made his living in the following manner.

From a story about Rush when he lived in Kansas City:

Adventures With Jeff

I have met and partied with Rush Limbaugh.
It's true methane breath.

"Getthefuckoutta here," you say! Of course when I knew him, he went by the alias of "Jeff Christie." This was back in the "old daze." Late 1974, 1975.

. . .

"Jeff" was a prankster even then. He would ask someone for a 10 or 20 dollar bill to show them a trick. . . . He would then take the bill and stuff it down the back of his pants and wipe his ass with it. He then would attempt to give the bill back to it's owner and say, "You want this back?" He often picked up extra change doing that.

http://www.bartcop.com/bs621.htm

[PoofTheNinjaMog]

14. I think Rush should interview

David Brock

or is he afraid of what he might say?

[newyawker99]

16. Hi PoofTheNinjaMog!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Strapping Buck]

15. Will never happen...

El Duschbo doesn't do interviews or have guests on his show. That's been the format from the beginning.