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Asteroid Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:22 PM
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The unofficial, official Harry Potter thread
THE FOLLOWING POST CONTAINS SOME SPOILER INFORMATION. SO IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEW HARRY POTTER MOVIE THEN PLEASE LEAVE THE THREAD NOW. THANK YOU.

























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I saw the new Potter movie late last night. I have to say I may be one of the few that thinks this movie is not as good as the first two. Don't get me wrong liked the movie, but it didn't leave me dying to see the next film, like the first two did.

I don't like how they made Malfow so weak. I think they could have done more with the Malfow character then they did in this movie. I mean how many times did Malfow cry in this movie. He was completely different in this film then he was in the prior two. I would have liked to see Malfoy darker and more sinister, instead of weak and cry babieish.

Also the ending left something to be desired did it not. I mean hello they showed the ending twice, just in different ways. The whole going back in time and retracing their steps, didn't make sense. It also had some major continuity problems that I wonder how many people noticed.

I think in their attempt to make the movie darker they left out a lot of the magic that made the first two movies so good.

Anyway what did you think of the movie?
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:30 PM
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1. My question for HP fans...Do you think HP will die in the
final book? I think he will.

I loved the movie. I thought it was the best one so far. The acting was much better and it was less jumpy.
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:00 PM
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9. Nope, not at all
There are several possible directions that Rowling may take this but I think that we have been given some real interesting clues so far. But none of them lead me to think that he may die at the end. Interesting that you should say that however, as Dan Radcliffe has said that he suspects much the same as you.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:35 PM
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2. Did you not read the books?
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 08:35 PM by kiahzero
"The whole going back in time" business was faithful to the books.

What continuity problems are you referring to?

Unfortunately, they cut too much out of the book for the film; you could tell just by the running time. But artistically, it was a vastly superior film.

On edit: sentence construction.
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Asteroid Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:45 PM
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5. The continuity problems
I was refering to where when Harry and Hermione go back in time. When they go down to Hagrid shack. When Harry and Hermione see themselves inside the shack, Hermione picks up the rock and throws it at the vase. In the original scene the rock was thrown by somebody other then Hermione, obviously.

I haven't read the third book so I understand that the time scene was in the book. It just looked odd in the film. I thought the ending was weak.

I still think it was a good movie, just not as good as the first two, IMO.
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kiahzero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:47 PM
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6. No, sorry
No, the rock was thrown by Hermione. She knew to throw the rock because she had seen it thrown. Just like Harry knew he could perform the charm because he had seen it done.

Time travel will generally lead to causal loops. Ever read Dragonriders of Pern? Some of the causal loops will throw your mind.
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YellowRubberDuckie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:38 PM
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3. Malfoy has always been a big wuss...
He's always hiding behind DAddy and his money. And I loved this movie. It was visually superior to the first two. And if you've read the books, this is very closs to what happened in the book, leaving only a few things out.
Duckie
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lyrical di Donating Member (181 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:44 PM
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4. Give me a break
The book is so much better than this movie. WIth some of the others, watching the movie enabled kids to go back and read the entire book. THis movie was disjointed, out of sequence, left out serious parts that explained why and how to those who hadn't read the book, and seemed to cater to "getting a laugh."

Yes, I agree the acting was better, but I couldn't look at Lupin without seeing the nasty King of Dragonheart.
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:50 PM
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7. I think that you never read the book
Edited on Sat Jun-05-04 08:52 PM by impeachbushnow
If you had, you would have understood the ending. Now, for my opinion of the movie....

First of all, as with all the movies, it was too short. I realize they had to cut some stuff – ok, a LOT of stuff – to make it fit a decent run time; but this one really felt rushed, to the point where in certain scenes I felt like the actors were talking as fast as they could just to cram in all the dialogue in the allotted time. I wish they had chopped the Night Bus scene (which, while well done and very funny, was proportionately way too long) and devoted more time to the Shrieking Shack climactic scene (one of those where Gary Oldman really had to motormouth his way through his paragraphs of exposition.) Some of the Malfoy scenes could have been abbreviated as well. As has been pointed out by other sources, yes some of the scenes were scrambled around in regards to the way they occurred in the book. That did not bother me as much as some omissions that I personally thought were crucial to this and future plots, in particular: (1) they do not explain where the Marauder’s Map came from, or its significance; (2) they do not fully explain the relationship the four had at Hogwarts, or why the others became Animagi; (3) the original purpose and significance of the Shrieking Shack, and how they all knew it was there and how to get to it; and, most importantly, (4) they not only do not explain the significance of Harry’s stag Patronus, but they only actually show it taking the shape of a stag once, and in a way that you don’t associate the stag with the Patronus at all, it’s as if it were a separate entity entirely. As a minor quibble, I wish they had showed more of Honeydukes, considering the extent of work that went into the set for all of a two-and-a half-second shot; and Julie Christie was wasted as Rosmerta (in fact, the whole character of Rosmerta was a waste.)

That being said, the atmosphere and art direction in this movie was very well done; it made Hogwarts look much vaster and more mysterious. I loved the Leaky Cauldron; especially Tom the Innkeeper. (Now we know where Riff Raff moved to after Frank N Furter’s castle sailed off.) Watch the first scene in the Leaky, where they are closing up for the night, very carefully; some of the actors in the scene are real magicians and do some very cool tricks. In fact, pay very close attention to background details and performers in most of the scenes; there are a lot of great bits of business stuck in in odd places where you will miss them if you are only paying attention to the main characters. Everybody seems to have had a lot more fun with this movie than previous, it is crammed full of little oddments. John Williams also seems to have had a great time with the score, departing a lot from the HP canon to add some very funky music for the Night Bus, and Lupin’s predilection for Big Band jazz. The Dementors didn’t impress me much but I did like the way everything froze over at their approach. The one Quidditch scene is very short (you don’t even see the whole game) but a killer – literally. (I feel really sorry for the Hufflepuff Seeker.) I didn’t like the design of the werewolf but it was appropriately menacing, so I can live with it – it really looked like it could do some serious damage (and I also liked the last bit of Lupin’s departing humanity showing briefly at the end of the transformation.) Buckbeak, on the other hand, was gorgeous, a real miracle of CG/live effects. I’m looking forward to seeing him again in 5.

Michael Gambon actually makes a much better Dumbledore than Richard Harris did, and I think if they hadn’t gone for the big name and cast him in the first place, things would have gone much better for everyone concerned. He’s closer to the spry, wry, astute, crafty Dumbledore we see in the books. Oldman makes a really good Sirius, regardless of going from raving lunatic to diffident godfather in the blink of an eye. Timothy Spall is suitably creepy as Peter, and I wish Ron had shown a bit more revulsion and betrayal at his transformation, as he does in the books. Thewlis does not look at all as I pictured Lupin (I’m still fixated on Jason Carter in that role, sorry) but he does capture Lupin’s gentle, avuncular personality to a T, and he grew on me as the movie went on.

One last thing: make sure you stay all the way through the end credits. It is, without a doubt, the most creative and entertaining use of end credits I have ever seen in my life, and I had more fun watching the end credits than I did watching the movie itself. Pay very close attention to all the little footprints, where they go, and how they get there; especially those rooms that are labeled. (My favorite was the one labeled Stink Bomb Store – watch the footprints!!) My son and I are still arguing over whether the one toward the end was Sirius or Lupin.


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Asteroid Donating Member (208 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:02 PM
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10. Maybe I should have read the book
before seeing the movie. I just thought the movie could have done a better job of developing the characters a little more. Like one poster said the movie was too short, it could have been a little longer.
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:07 PM
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12. In all fairness
I think that they made the movie with the thought that just about anyone that would see it had read the book so they could get away with taking a lot out of it. They are, of course, wrong. The overall impression that I came away with was that in this movie not only was it too short, but they put too much work into setting it up for future TV broadcast. I mean it was just too easy to see where all the ad cuts would be.

If I had my way, I would like to see them do like the Lord of the Rings where they put out an extended edition with all the extras placed in the correct order in the film. Of course, I would also love to see Peter Jackson do the remaining movies also but thats another story.......
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Shadder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:10 PM
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13. One additional minor point
A Brief History of Time? Come on.....
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 08:59 PM
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8. I loved it
was the best of the three.
reread the book afterwards - and still loved the flick. Masterful
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-05-04 09:02 PM
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11. I loved it.
I thought the directing was brilliant.

I don't remember Malfoy making that much trouble in book three, but I thought Ron seemed too wimpy, or maybe his best scenes were cut.

The adult characters are really starting to develop in this movie, and Snape actually sought to protect the children from the werewolf. I loved meeting Prof. Trelawney. Her prediction was eerily performed.

Gary Oldman was fantastic, as was David Thewlis as Lupin. Great acting.

Oh, and i saw the real magic tricks at the Leaky Cauldron! Excellent!

Great use of music, camera work, and ITA that the dementors aren't scary for very long at all.

I also liked that it was assumed the audience had seen the first two films, and we weren't having to have details of wizard life explained to us all over again or comparisons made to muggle life. The story simply took off.
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lil-petunia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-06-04 08:13 AM
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14. agreed
I can't wait to see it at our local IMAX theatre. Every screen with Harry. But, its sold out for at least a week - mainly adults!
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