Define your vision of "Heaven" and "Hell"

[LynneSin]

Imagine, if you will, that when you die you will go on to an afterlife where you will live in an eternity as defined by your vision of "Heaven" and "Hell"

My Vision of Heaven: The four basic food groups are Peanut Butter, Ice Cream, Chocolate Chip Cookies and Beer - you can eat/drink as much as you want and not gain an ounce. Heaven will look like a postcard of a quaint Italian town where I'll live in a beautiful home on the ocean and each day Viggo Mortensen, Chris Noth and Tim Robbins will fight for the right to make wonderful love to me all day long

My Vision of Hell: Hell is where John Ashcroft will force me to listen to him sing "When Eagles Soar" all the time. Sean Hannity, Michael Savage and Rush Limbaugh will fight for the right to spend the entire day telling me why Ronald Reagan's policies actually worked for America. Hell will look like a Trailer Court just after a tornado ripped through it and I'll be required to eat Brocoli and Liver for all of eternity

[VelmaD]

1. Heaven is being surrounded by...

all the people I care about. Having them handy to talk to or play with or just hold whenever I want. And they all get along (for once). :)

Hell, well, hell would be being separated from everyone and everything I care about for all eternity.

[Bertha Venation]

2. Hell: absence of everyone I love. Heaven: everyone I love is there and

we're on the beach.

"everyone I love" includes people who predeceased me and all the pets I've ever had. Including fish.

[sus]

3. Yo. Pollyanna. Heaven doesn't exist and Hell is here on earth.

[Speck Tater]

8. That's an extraordinary claim. Do you have any extraordinary evidence?

It is well known that it is a logical impossibility to prove a negative such as X does not exist. In no case does absence of evidence constitute evidence of absence.

Epistemologically, the statement "Heaven does not exist" can never be anything more that a statement of faith reflecting something that is believed to be true in spite of the lack of proof.

At the very least, there is a significant body of anecdotal evidence suggestive of some type of after-death existence, and while you are free to reject whatever evidence contradicts your preconceived dogma, you cannot provide one scrap of contrary evidence to support the non-existence of heaven. The best you can do is to reject the evidence that suggests an afterlife and then claim that the lack of evidence acceptable to you somehow constitutes some kind of "negative evidence". Logically, however, that position is not tenable.

From a purely objective standpoint, belief in the existence of an afterlife and belief in the non-existence of an afterlife are equally rational since neither is backed up by any concrete proof, and since in spite of the huge body of anecdotal evidence suggestive of an afterlife, that evidence is far from convincing.

Thus, whichever position a person takes on the question, that position is taken as an article faith, not as the result of objective proof.

[Bertha Venation]

9. ROFLMAO

:sigh: :wipesawaytears:

[LynneSin]

10. btw, sus is a jaded PK kid

she's beyond hope!

[sus]

11. don't try to confuse me with your newfangled logic!! damn yur eyes!

[LynneSin]

12. sweetie pie, it doesn't take much to confuse you

[Speck Tater]

16. Well, I have incontrovertable proof that

hell is not too far from Crawford Texas. We can only hope that a certain resident of our nation's capitol is sent packing back to hell pretty soon.

[THUNDER HANDS]

4. ok

Heaven is like a 5-star hotel.

Hell is like living in your parents basement for eternity.

[Commendatori]

5. Well, Heaven would be western Europe, and hell would be

a small town in flyover country where everyone shops at WalMart and worships Hannity.

[iconoclastic cat]

6. We are in both

at the same time.

[Speck Tater]

7. Heaven and hell are the same place.

Hell is a self-imposed state of mind that needs to be outgrown before the soul can move on and start preparing for the next incarnation.

Heaven is what you do between games, or between rounds of the game. Then you incarnate back into this place we call "reality" and play another round.

[terrya]

13. Hell involves the Bush family somehow.

The vision of Hell is sort of murky after that.

[I thought so.]

14. Here it is.

+ and - you decide. Other than that....I just don't care.

[Lindsey]

15. I've done a lot of reading on near death experiences

and it's quite fascinating. The one that I found most compelling was by Dannion Brinkley called "Saved By The Light." I don't remember if he specifically got into the "Heaven and Hell" discussion but he did say this: (paraphrased) There's a life review and any joy you've given and any heartache you've inflicted (a simple slight to someone all the way to major infractions) are felt like something 10 time by you. So, if you gave someone much joy or even just made their day, you get to feel how wonderful they felt to the 10th power. Conversly, any hurt you inflicted you feel to the 10th power. This one concept makes me REALLY think every day about how I treat people.