Worst thing about F9/11

[Coventina]

At least for me, is that I will never be able to listen to that Bloodhound Gang song without feeling sick.

And I used to like that song.

:-(

[Catfight]

1. The children burned and maimed, and dead.

[DrWeird]

6. No, that's not the worst thing about F911.

That's the worst thing about the people who support the war.

[NightTrain]

2. John Ashcroft's "singing."

:hurts:

[liberalhistorian]

3. LOL!

I just saw it today and I was just thinking the same thing! Can you fucking BELIEVE that???????:puke: :puke: :puke: :puke: :puke:

[elperromagico]

7. Oh, come on!

I can't believe you weren't moved to the very core of your being by Ashcroft's jingoistic warbling!

"Let the eagle SOAAAAARRRRRRR
Like she's never SOAARRRED BEFORRRRRRRE"

</sarcasm>

[liberalhistorian]

12. BTW, were there any other

lyrics to that stupid ridiculous song than "Let the eagle soar like she's never soured before?"

[LynneSin]

4. Paul Wolfowitz putting that comb in his mouth and then combing his hair

I was nauseaous at the look of that

[IronLionZion]

5. knowing that if I ever meet Tom Daschle,

God help me if I don't knock some sense into the most powerful yet pathetic Democrat in the Senate

[MsUnderstood]

8. If the worst was a song, you weren't paying attention

Did you not get goose bumps of terror as Representative after Representative went up to protest the acceptance of the new president and NOT ONE SENATOR WOULD SIGN ON THE PROTEST?

With all the other visuals, I am sad that no Senator tried to stop the insanity before it began--at least so that Senator could look back and say "Told you so!"

[Coventina]

10. Sorry, I meant this post to be tongue in cheek

I didn't mean to offend anyone.
:-(

[givemebackmycountry]

9. EASY

Every single gut wrenching MOTHERFUCKING MINUTE!

I'm still thinking about it.

I'm so mad I can spit.

I've called everyone I know and told them to get a ticket as soon as possible.

[liberalpragmatist]

11. Actually I have a few substantive criticisms

I really enjoyed the movie and heartily recommend it to anyone who's remotely interested in current affairs or isn't a right-wing hack. Still, I wasn't entirely convinced by some of Moore's arguments.

I'm well aware that this will probably get me flamed, but I felt a couple of his shots were a little cheap. He ridiculed Bush for ordering Ribs. I don't really see the connection between that and his incompetence.

I also felt that the twisted business relationship between Bush and the Saudis and the Bin Laden family was a bit overdone. DON'T get me wrong - the Bush family, like most of the U.S. oil industry, are cronies who are funneling millions into Saudi Arabia, which in turn funnels them into fundie clerics who in turn propogate terrorism. I realize his main point was that Bush isn't tough enough on the Saudis because he has a conflict of interests - something I agree with; However, I felt some of the relationships he was stringing together were a bit overly conspiracy-theorist and he seemed to be implying that if it weren't for Bush's family's relatinship with the Saudis, 9-11 wouldn't have occurred and Bush is in league with Bin Laden. That, at least to me and the people I saw it with (all anti-Bush people who otherwise loved the film) seemed like a bit of a stretch when all post-ww2 U.S. administrations have been heavily invested in this saudi relationship. I just felt the implication was a step too far for this non-conspiracy-theorist dem and that it was a bit overly harsh on Bush b/c he alone isn't responsible for that relationship.

I also felt the anti-patriot act section could have been done better. He showed great examples, but some of them like the breast-feeding incident weren't related to the patriot act. He should have dwelled more on the thousands of muslim immigrants who have been detained by the fbi for no reason but some vague and discredited charges of terrorism. I also felt it would have been effective to illustrate more of the neocon agenda and ideology of overthrowing dictatorships to install pro-U.S. "democracies", which I think was as important a factor as the oil.

Also, I think some scenes would have been better without Moore's commentary. I think when Bush was sitting, reading My Pet Goat, he should have just let the images speak for themselves.

But on the whole I truly enjoyed it! Now I prepare to be flamed

[4_Legs_Good]

13. Flaming!

Kidding,

Your points are all very good. Personally I didn't think it was as good a film as "Bowling for Columbine", but that's just my taste. It was a bit more choppy and not as coherent, and not as funny or entertaining, though it wasn't necessarily supposed to be.

As far as the Saudi/Bush ties, you might read "House of Bush/House of Saud" to get a better understanding of how entertwined the two are. I agree, though, that to someone who hadn't read the book, it would have seemed a bit too conspiratorial.

Agree on the Patriot act section too - more could have been done there, probably an entire film.

I disagree about the overdubbing, though. I love MM's sense of humor and to me it added a lot. It wouldn't have been a MM film without it, though, you're right, it might have been more harrowing.

Anyway, good criticisms!

david

[Shakespeare]

15. Yes, the breast milk incident WAS a result of the patriot act.

And it served beautifully to point how absurd some of the rules are.

[Kid_A]

14. Moore never mentioned the PNAC...

The Project for a New American Century is the group perhaps most responsible for the foreign policy mess we're in right now. This group wanted a "Pearl Harbor scale event" to justify what they wanted to do in the Middle East, and we're supposed to think it's just a coincidence that 9/11 happened on Cheney and Rumsfeld's watch? I'm not saying that PNAC has a hand in 9/11, but I am saying that they intentionally "looked the other way" throughout the summer of 2001 because they knew something was going to happen. Moore hints in his movie that he might go after these guys, but he never does. He does plenty to the members of PNAC (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, etc) but never mentions the name of the group they belong to and the designs they've had on the world since the end of the Cold War.

BTW, isn't this thread a bit heavy for the Lounge? The mods should move it to GD...