Not all Dems drive hybrids or Honda Civics?

[PatriotGames]

Wow! The Repubs stereotype of us all driving econoboxes has been debunked!

I like econo cars for daily driving, but give me a 400 horsepower muscle car anyday!

[codegreen]

1. many of us live below the poverty line and drive dirty old clunkers! yay!

[flamingyouth]

2. I drive a Volvo

That's not a stereotypical liberal car at all!:D

[VOX]

17. Volvo-drivin', tree-huggin' liberal here, too.

Drove my 1987 240DL for 16 years. Finally updated last year with an XC 70 wagon.

Skoal! :toast:

[earthside]

3. REAL Patriots Drive ...

... hybrids.

No War for Oil.

[ScreamingMeemie]

8. Sorry...disagree...Some patriots can't afford them and still need to

get themselves to work on a daily basis. To say otherwise is to be just as bad as calling someone UnAmerican for not supporting the war in Iraq. No pass. :hi:

[PatriotGames]

13. Today's muscle cars can pull down 25+ mpg on the highway

and most people that own 60s muscle cars down't drive them everyday.

[IronLionZion]

28. Where are the hybrids made?

and how is that patriotic?

I think patriots drive American-made cars and vote for Kerry.

[No2W2004]

4. I have 2 vehicles

A Honda 250 for buzzing 'round town by myself...it sips gas at 40 mpg, which has been great this summer, but I just love riding it. I also have a Buick Rendezvous for when I have to tote the kids around.

[Gothic Sponge]

5. I drive a Subaru

Is that a stereotypical liberal car? Okay...maybe it is. :)

[PatriotGames]

6. I have a Subaru Forester for daily driving...

[Gothic Sponge]

7. Ha! I drive a Forester too.

[PatriotGames]

9. LOVE that car! It is the best car I've had!

[Gothic Sponge]

11. Me too! Great of fuel, and one of the safest cars to drive!

[PatriotGames]

15. Subaru engineers are some of the best, IMO

[Cannikin]

10. I love my Intrepid

[MercutioATC]

12. a Honda Accord and a Porsche 911

...and the Porsche actually gets about 25mpg.

[PatriotGames]

14. I don't know why people think today's muscle cars are that bad

The technology in them enable them to pull down some amazing numbers in regards to fuel economy...

[MercutioATC]

19. ...actually, it's an '83 911. It still gets decent mileage, though.

I think they get the negative impression from older muscle cars (which weren't any worse than older family sedans, anyway). The CW is that if it goes fast, it must eat gas.

[TrogL]

16. I drive a big van

Full of kids, music gear, camping equipment

[tech3149]

18. So be it!

If I had money, I'd buy a hybrid. Since I don't I'll make do with my 6y/o Civic and 40mpg.

[Mizmoon]

20. I have a cherry red 1985 Camaro & and a new F-150

It don't get more muscular than that.

[cprise]

21. Volkswagen Golf TDI - 48mpg

...And those aren't highway miles.

Best yet, I power it with biodiesel fuel. Carbon-neutral and very clean. Most of its energy comes from photosynthesis, which means my car is powered by WHAT ?



:7 :7 :7

[tlcandie]

31. So, how do you attain this technology and/or where do you find

info and someone to transform an engine for this purpose. Sorry, I'm not a fuel genuis, BUT I am totally interested in what you have said!

[cprise]

37. No transformation is required

A modern turbodiesel engine will work fine with it. Most people opt for a Jetta, Jetta Wagon, Golf or New Beetle TDI. The Passat and Taureg now have TDI engine options. You can buy these cars new in 45 states, and all 50 states as of 2006. Used models are available everywhere. I have a 2001 Golf TDI. Mercedes' new diesels are also very nice, and similarly clean and quiet to the TDI. Other mfgs are getting ready to introduce their new generation of diesels to the US in 2006, but right now they are test-marketed in a handful of SUVs.

These new diesels have become the preferred engine in Europe for passenger cars. For a while, people bought them just for the fuel economy, but the technology leapfrogged over gas engine tech. and people prefer them for overall performance. Honda just brought a 52mpg Accord to the EU market last year.

You would need to find a biodiesel vendor here:

http://www.biodiesel.org/buyingbiodiesel/retailfuelingsites/default.shtm

B100 is 100% biodiesel (not mixed with regular diesel). This form of biodiesel can cost 30-60% more than regular diesel. It is still very much worth it IMO especially when you factor in the high milage. (If you are so inclined, it is also possible to make it from veg. oil and tallow yourself. Some filtering and chemistry is involved. But I only buy ASTM quality biodiesel from a retailer.)

Biodiesel is to the European market what ethanol is to the US. However, the EU production of biodiesel results in a 4.2:1 energy balance (a 320% gain) over the energy used to make it, whereas US ethanol gains only about 20%. In Germany and France, biodiesel pumps are a common sight at filling stations (numbering the the thousands). The EU is relying on biodiesel to put a significant dent in their CO2 emissions; this is possible because CO2 released by the engine was absorbed from the atmosphere by the bio crops in the first place-- these hydrocarbons act as a renewable energy carrier in a carbon cycle instead of as a fossil fuel polluter.

[tlcandie]

38. So, the vendors are like gas stations in essence?

I see only a few in the NE part of the US. I live in Florida :/ So, I would have to figure this out for myself then and make my own, eh? Arghhh! Not sure about that one!

Thanks for sharing and I've bookmarked for future reference!!!

[cprise]

39. Hmmm, there are some

But some of it seems to be available at marinas (biodiesel is less toxic than sugar, so fuel spills aren't a menace to marine life). I've heard of people filling cars up at marinas before.


Tampa and Ft. Myers have it available according to these links:

http://www.edie.net/gf.cfm?L=left_frame.html&R=http://www.edie.net/news/Archive/5267.cfm

http://forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=628


If you have a garage or other storage, you can also have it delivered in 55 gal. drums. The fuel is very safe to store, akin to cooking oil. Some people form co-ops with just a polymer 500 or 1000 gal. tank and a small pump. World Energy is one large distributor that will deliver the fuel.

In any case, keep your eyes open... Biodiesel use in the US has doubled each year for the past 5 years.

[demosincebirth]

22. What happened to the ...

old slogan "Be American Buy American?" I own a big Chev ( big block) truck and a big Buick fifth Ave. American made and most of all "Union made."

[Philostopher]

27. Well, if you want to get really technical about it ...

Honda has a plant about thirty miles from me, here in Ohio, where the Accord (and some Integra models, too, I believe) are assembled from a mixture of parts from the U.S., Canada and probably Japan.

We passed the Toyota Camry assembly plant in Georgetown, Kentucky over the weekend.

We'd have had to drive a much longer way -- all the way to Mexico, I'm pretty sure -- to pass the plant where the "all-American" Chrysler PT Cruiser is assembled, however.

All I'm sayin' is, it ain't so easy to determine what it means to "buy American" anymore. We'll drive by a Chevy assembly line when we go to Canada next month, too. We'll also come close to the place a lot of Mazdas are assembled -- up in Detroit, near the Ford plants.

Granted, many people who work for the Japanese manfacturers here in the U.S. aren't union, but neither are the Mexican workers who assemble the PT Cruiser, I'll wager.

Not so cut and dried, these days ...

[demosincebirth]

43. Good thing you didn't wager, because

auto workers in Mexico are union. May not make as much as union auto worker here, but they are union. Not one foreign car maker, here in the U.S., is unionized.
All I'm trying to say is that I try to buy American made products. By the way, Canada is in America.

[LSU_Subversive]

23. They left out Volkswagons. I love my Jetta. nt.

[RetroLounge]

24. I may get a Mini Cooper

and stick it in the back of my GMC Suburban.

Never know when you need an escape pod.

RL

[tlcandie]

30. Cruiser here .. but wanted a Mini Cooper .. awesome fun to drive!

Love them as well as the Cruiser, but thinking about next car as Hybrid most definitely!

[DeposeTheBoyKing]

25. Don't kill me

I do drive an SUV, albeit a SMALL one (Mitsubishi Outlander). It gets 21/26 mpg, so I don't feel so guilty. I really need it to get up the hill in the winter (live near Pittsburgh). After I move to Dallas and the lease is up I want to get a Mini Cooper, though.

[Courtesy Flush]

45. That's OK. Kerry has a few too. It's cool now. (eom)

[Radical Activist]

26. hard core dems drive American made union cars

What's this Honda crap? I drive a Saturn. It has more American made and assembled parts than any other car on the market, and it doens't get bad mileage either.

[Gothic Sponge]

32. What true american cars are left?

You can buy an american car name, but most of the parts are made overseas.

[Radical Activist]

33. Saturn

and some models of Chrysler

[LTR]

36. Are the US Honda plants union?

[demosincebirth]

44. No, they are not union.

[HuckleB]

42. We've had great luck with our Saturns. And they're safe as all get out.

Even though the Civic took over the top spot on the safety charts in that class from Saturn, you've got to spend six or seven thousand more dollars to get the safety features that make it safer than the Saturn.

Alas, I don't know if Saturn's going to stay where it started in terms of quality and service. GM keeps making changes there that just go against the whole reason the company was started.

Ugh.

[IronLionZion]

29. I wish I could have a fleet of cars

or at least one performance car and one fuel efficient run-around car. oh and and SUV (not a huge one)

[SoCalDem]

34. How 'bout Honda Accord EX??? Is that ok???

:)

[LTR]

35. I drive a Hummer

Made ya look!

Actually, a Toyota Corolla.

[Gothic Sponge]

40. Bastard!

Hehe!

[HuckleB]

41. Well, I put more miles on my bicycle than I do on my 1987 Toyota 4X4...

and my wife comes close to doing the same with the Saturn SL2 that she drives when she must drive.

So... that's our story.

And who gives a rat's ass about Republican bullshit cliches? Ignore their juvenile nonsense. If they can't grow up, leave 'em to their mood swings and fart jokes.

[Dastard Stepchild]

46. My transport is large and always filled with people...

I take the bus. I am uber-liberal :)

[Padraig18]

47. My Ford F-150 XLT is not an econobox, certainly.

:)